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Iamon lyme:

My butt doesn't always hurt, but when it does...

Liberals are the reason that America is experiencing a serious case of butt hurt. We have butt hurt in our economy, taxes, employment, health care, justice, and on and on. This condition is called Demorrhoids.. And it will take some serious ointment to rid us of our case of Demorrhoids..

Where did the oil rigs go to that were in the gulf, lets see,,,, oh yea, Brazil, and who gains financially from Brazilian oil....... oh yea, George Soros Imagine that

The truth is that Obamas energy policies alone have killed more jobs (by multiple times) than he has created, how many jobs have been lost by the drilling embargo in the gulf, the failure to sign the pipeline, etc... How many jobs have been lost over the price of gas, not to mention the bankruptcies that it has caused

I could really give a flying .... about Iceland

Oh by the way, How about the billions he has given the likes of all the solindras out there just so they can go bankrupt after they donate a chunk back to obamas campaign, which he gets to keep after it is over

The Col: LOL Hey, the 60's just called, and they want you give their mind altering drugs back... if there are any left to give back.

You and (V) have never missed an opportunity to prove how much you both respect women. So how's that working out for you?

(V): the truth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/president-obamas-job-creation-problem--in-one-chart/2012/08/02/gJQA58tsRX_blog.html

Iamon lyme: The Col isn't a Nazi but he's pretty close to a Nutzie.

rod03801: I've tried to tell him the same thing but he can't see it. We say he twists things and he says he doesn't. It is proof that he's clueless on the issues. He can't stay on point and address an argument on it's merits. He has to bring in unrelated points because his arguments can't stand on their own two feet.

The libs are good at this (or bad if you want to be accurate). Instead of talking about abortion and addressing the points being made, they bring in talk about the morality of war. Ignorance runs rampant in liberal thinking.

Iamon lyme: stop talking sense

Iamon lyme: The dark ages just called , they want your tude regarding sex education back
We're not living in the 70's anymore bud, you can't just go to a Doc for a shot if you get a sexually transmitted disease, and women actually expect pleasure during a sexual union, the old "in and out" doesn't cut it anymore.Passing your own sexual hang ups onto future adults does them no service both in making educated decisions and having a sexually fulfilling life.I'm very aware that SOME conservatives like to dump on the value of education these days,dumbing down the population does make them more open to propoganda

The Col: I'm not calling you a nazi. I suppose I could have used an example that wasn't so emotionally charged, but the example still fits becuase the point was about "education". I forgot how reactive you liberals are. I try telling them one thing and all they can hear is something else.

Tossing out a word like ignorant does not mean you are educated. And being educated does not mean you have been taught well. So try growing a pair (of brain lobes) before reacting instead of reflecting. Think you can do that?

Iamon lyme: Nazis? WTF?

rod03801: "It's not even worth having a discussion with you."

Half the time it looks like he is tossing words willy nilly out onto the page... and it's supposed to be our responsibilty to make sense of it. I'm not so good at guessing games, that's why I've given up talking to him.

(V): It's not even worth having a discussion with you. You twist twist twist to the point that looks ridiculous.

You suggested Vikings was blaming Obama for Iceland bank failures. Not even close to what he typed AT ALL.

The Col: "I can only hope that you haven't discouraged a child from this education..."

You are hoping I haven't discouraged a child from what education? From teaching them all about how to have safe sex? Ignorance isn't just about not knowing, it is also about not understanding what you think you know. The word "education" is another one of those magic words that liberals like to use... Education good, ignorance bad. Right wingers bad. Me like education. Me not be ignorant... me have education.

Nazis weren't ignorant either... they knew what they wanted and used "education" of young people as one of their tools for getting what they wanted. So much for the power of yer magic word, eh?

You would have had no success in persuading any my kids to your point of view. I made sure no adult would be able to simply toss out "magic words" to turn their heads. I told them in no uncertain terms, if an adult tells you it's okay to do something you know is wrong, you do not have to believe them or be intimidated by them simply because they are adults... even if that adult is me. It was that last part that made them sit up and take notice, because then it was clear to them that some things are not right no matter who says it.

Iamon lyme: Re : You know what sex education actually does? It encourages kids who are already thinking about sex to go do it, and how many horny teenage boys do you think have the self restraint to stop and put on a condom?"



Words can not describe how ignorant a statement that is on so many levels.I suppose you never attended any sexual education classes, do you think it's spent going over the Kama Sutra?
Sex education saves lives by discussing birth control and STD's as well as boring stuff like the human reproductive system.I can only hope that you haven't discouraged a child from this education only to have them experience an avoidable event that alters their life (in a bad way) forever.

Übergeek 바둑이: Oh yeah, I almost forgot... abortion is also now seen as a safety net for teenagers who want to have sex, but for some unexplainable reason the contraception didn't work. So there's another "good" reason abortion should be legal and stay that way. Only a "right winger" would want to take away anyone's safety net.

My wife and I both used contraceptives after we were married, so I have no idea except in your own imagination where you get the idea that "right wingers" are against contraception. I remember joking to my wife that we could have named the first three of our kids after the contraception that didn't work. If we had done that then the first one's name would have been The Sponge. The only method that DID work was when we were going at it during that short period of time when she wasn't fertile. So in other words, we could have called our fifth child The Rhythm Method. And YOU want to encourage kids to use birth control?

Hey, Ubber intellect, wake up!!! You're dreaming!!!

Übergeek 바둑이: If you think sex education is a way to make sex safer for kids then you should talk to their parents, but in my experience the parents are the last people "left wingers" want to talk to. They have to talk to them, but they would prefer only talking to their kids. Kids are the same way... they prefer talking to one another than to adults.

You know what sex education actually does? It encourages kids who are already thinking about sex to go do it, and how many horny teenage boys do you think have the self restraint to stop and put on a condom? Kids are not adults, and you can't expect them to think or act like responsible adults. Unless those adults are "left wingers", then life can be a never ending party as far as those kids are concerned.

Do Americans now take a responsible person test to make sure they are not nuts then before getting a gun?

Respectful gun owners like those who hunt, think those who idolise guns nuts. It's a tool, to some a necessary part of their livelihood, not a toy to play politics with.

Übergeek 바둑이: I know about the various things the "left wing" wants to accomplish. And I know how on the surface they all sound like good things, but frankly I don't believe most "left wingers" even if they are sincere have actually thought any of it through.

The reality of gun control, limiting or banning hand guns, is that you cannot count on criminals to obey any restrictions on gun ownership. Taking guns out of the hands of responsible citizens does not take guns out the hands of criminals... empowering criminals by disarming everyone else does not reduce the chance of violent crime occurring. That should be obvious, but apparently it isn't in the minds of (your words, not mine) "left wingers". What do intend to defend yourself with if confronted by an armed bandit in the middle of the night, as you are you are laying in bed in your own home? A pillow? Or perhaps the ability to talk to him using your powers of intellectual persuasion? The best you could hope for is being laughed at before he does what he came to do... and that's assuming he only came to take some of your stuff.

Euthanasia.. the ability to end ones life with dignity, rather than in pain and/or various horrible states.

.... we put our pets down out of respect because we think it is wrong to let animals die in pain.

I'm for Euthanasia.. why would I want to die slowly of something like cancer if there was no cure? I and/or others are to treated with less respect than a pet so someone's head doesn't hurt!

.. People saying we should have personal responsibility but continually want to say what others can do with their body.

.. secret world domination in progress, next it'll be a cybernetic implant to make sure you are obeying them!!

Iamon lyme: "People like [me] who were active...

Aliens live in a universal economy. It's called fic-tion-al per-spec-tive.

People who don't have much to do and very little money look at this from a per-son-al per-pec-tive.

People like who were active but are now retired see this from an a-mused per-spec-tive.

rod03801: We live in a global economy Rod. One of our banks that the tax payer had to bail out... if it failed.. You'd be feeling the knock on effect as the whole financial system would have collapsed worldwide.

It's called per-spec-tive. Noting that most of your countries depend on their ability to sell on a global market.

Übergeek 바둑이: I was talking about abortion. You seem to want to lump a lot of things together and compare them to abortion, as though they are all the same things. War, guns, death penalty, self defense... you didn't bring up euthanasia, but I suspect you don't have a problem with that.

To say abortions don't just happen willy nilly is naive. Most abortions are not performed because of rape or incest or for the life of the mother, or for any other justifiable sounding reason. Those were the reasons given when pro abortion lobbyists were working to legalize abortion. They even assured everyone that those would be the only reasons someone could get an abortion, and there would be no abortions on demand.

Well what do you know, surprise surprise, the joke is on us... because everyone knows that most abortions are done simply because someone doesn't want a baby. They want to do what it takes to make a baby, but they don't want the baby. And they don't want to simply give the baby up for adoption. That would spare the life of the child, but at the same time would be a terrible inconvenience and emotionally draining.

(V): Vikings said something about blaming Obama for Iceland's bank problems ? ?? Seems to me, he was talking about U.S. unemployment. Gets a little dizzy....

mckinley: "I still haven't decided who I want for president."..."I said that back in July. Do you have that post saved or something? I had to do a word search. What I meant is self explanatory"

I remembered it was the first thing you said, so I did a search to make sure I wasn't mistaken. The reason I remember it is because to me it means you either voted for Obama four years ago, or four years ago you were not yet old enough to vote. All I know about you is you are old enough to drive and are from the south.

I'm not sure if you are aware of just how self explanatory that statement was. If I had said I don't know who I'll be voting for until I mark the ballot this November, then that too would be self explanatory.

Vikings: So your are saying that thanks to the banking crash, various bank frauds and various other white collar crime our countries are screwed up?

Lets not forget, this is a problem that is world wide thanks to the financial institutions. With various banks needing help, or going bust....

.. Over here, the Iceland banks going belly up cost various authorities authorities here millions from lost investments.

.. Shall we blame it all on Obama? Isn't that getting a little cliché?

Iamon lyme:

The reason why I drew a comparison between war and abortion is because there is an interesting thing that came to my mind.

I noticed that some of the people who detest abortion (pro-life) sometimes also defend the right to own guns, the right to fight pre-emptive wars, and the use of the death penalty. This is more prevalent among what we call the "right wing ".

By the same token, among the "left wing" you will find the "pro-choice" argument among people who want gun control, who protest against pre-emptive wars, and who want to put an end to the death penalty.

It is interesting that on both sides we see people wanting to defend life, whether it be an unborn child, victims of violent crime or both civilians and military involved in a war.

"I believe that we should protect the life of an unborn child, just as much as I believe that the constitution guarantees people's rights to own potentially lethal weapons, and that our nation has the right to fight pre-emptive wars in which thousands of people will die. Furthermore, the state has the right to put an end to the life of a dangerous criminal."

"I believe that we should limit the ownership of lethal weapons only to law enforcement agencies, I believe that we should never fight pre-emptive wars that kill thousands, I believe that it is wrong to kill a criminal regardless of his crimes; but I also believe that a woman's choice takes precendence over the life of her unborn child."

To me this is an interesting contradiction. As with many other aspects of human nature, we are riled by contradictions.

> If you want to draw comparisons between war and abortion you are not
> helping the pro abortionist argument.

Of course it does not help the argument. From my point of view, if you believe in pretecting human life, should you not protect ALL human life? Unborn children, victims of crime, victims of war, prisoners on death row, etc. The truth is tht the situation is never simple and each case is so different.

> Wars are usually fought for one of two reasons. Depending on which side you
> are looking at, wars are fought to get something or to defend something.
> Sometimes both sides are aggressors who are out to get something, but you'll
> never see two defenders going at it... why would they?

Since our mind finds a contradiction between our beliefs and our actions, we must justify ourselves in how we act. We tell ourselves that we are defending something. I am defending an unborn child, I am defending my family from a criminal who broke into my home, I am defending my nation from hostile forces external to my nation, I am defending society from a dangerous criminal, etc. It is the only way that we can justify our actions. To me the contradiction just lies in how we defend one human life, and yet have no problem taking another (or letting somebody else take another on our behalf).

> And since you are comparing abortion to war then let me ask you who you
> believe the aggressor is. Is it the baby, or the adult(s)? What are adults who kill
> babies defending, their right to not take care of a defenseless little person, or
> maybe the abortionist's right to earn a living?

One can make the same argument about a war. When a plane drops a 2,000-pound bomb, can the people on the ground defend themselves? The military might if they have guns aimed at the planes, but what about the thousands who die under the bombs? Can civilians really defend themselves? What about a baby who dies in war because of either bombs, or the destruction of infrastructure such as hospitals, water treatment plants, etc.? In the Gulf War 500,000 civilians died, plus 250,000 Iraqi military. In the aftermath of the war the United nations estimated that a further 1,000,000 prople died because of lack of clean water, hospitals, medicines, etc. War is a terrible thing, and most of the people who die are defenseless, even when the military claims to have "smart bombs" and "satellite guided missiles". The only reason why the military always claims to try to protect civilians is because public opinion forces them to say so.

> Adults can defend themselves if they need to. Babies can't. If you can convince
> me that babies are not completely defenseless and have done something
> (anything) to deserve being killed, then you might have a valid argument.

Of course babies are defenseless, as are many vicitims of violent gun crime. At the time of execution, the prisoner is defenseless. Yes, he has committed terrible crimes and he is being executed for them, but can he really fight the lethal injection and the gas chamber? Somehow we tell ourselves that he is not defenseless and that he deserves to die.

Then does anyone really DESERVE to be killed? If that is the case, who decides? A serial killer is easy to justify. A terrorist is easy to justify so long as we ignore some of the motivations behind his actions (such as western empires invading their countries for the last 400 years.) What about a political prisoner? Is it justifiable to kill a communist? Western empries certaily thought it was justifiable during the Cold War. We all find certain forms of killing justifiable. It is human nature, and our nature is conflicted.

Something that the pro-life people sometimes forget is that the pro-choice people do not go around killing babies willy nilly. Most pro-choice people I have met actually hate abortion, but they justify it in terms of somehow saving a woman's life, and sparing an unwanted child what otherwise would be a bad life. To the pro-life people that is weak argument, but then, if society is going to ban abortion, then society has to provide every tool possible to avoid unwanted pregnancies. That means solid sexual education since childhood and easy availability of contraceptives. Will all pro-life people accept easily available contraceptives to teenagers and adults alike? Probably not.

Iamon lyme: for sure - don't make em mad! But laughter is best. (except there are a few here I do laugh at but it's more like I'm making fun of them!)

rod03801: I suspect pictures with short captions will make more of an impression than anything I can say. *sigh*

I'm probably wasting ink doing all of my talkingusing only words.

rod03801:

Iamon lyme: lol.. that sign is EXACTLY the truth though

Iamon lyme:

Vikings: true

Artful Dodger: Flip Wilson is prettier

Vikings: that lady reminds me of this lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-E4bvrA1U

Iamon lyme: Ugh. Okay, maybe not so much... what was I thinking?

I don't care what anyone says, I think she's a cutie.

total months that the unemployment level was above 8% from 1948 to 2008 (40 years) = 38
Total months that the unemployment level was above 8% during the Obama administration (45 months)= 43 months

http://mittromneycentral.com/2012/09/27/must-see-videos-paid-protesters-at-romney-event-admit-obama-will-give-them-a-free-phone-if-they-vote-for-him/

By the way, NICE TEETH

Iamon lyme: The squirrel knows - it's with his toes.