Iamon lyme: shhhhhhh

Artful Dodger: Hitchens , I could listen to him all night, huge loss

The Col: What? The king of KFC admits to loving Chinese food? Scandalous!

Does Mrs KFC know about this?

Artful Dodger: Yeah, and one of those voices is me. But who are the other two? I thought it was just you and me.

Iamon lyme: I wear a tin-foil hat as it block their alpha-beta communicative microwave radiogenerator and frequency frequencer. It seems to work as he voices in my head are down to 3.

Artful Dodger: I think you're right. But it can only be traced back through the aliens involvement. They are controling Obama, Obama controls Holder, and Bush controls the aliens. They control me too, but for some reason contact with them has been broken... I woke up this morning with a headache, like my head was in a meatgrinder. After the headache goes away contact will be re-established and I will deny everything.

The Col: I actually don't fully know the difference either. But and agnostic is one who admits that he doesn't really know (perhaps due to lack of evidence or other factors). And anti-theist is somewhat of a activist on proving (through arguments) the non-existence of God (whom they don't believe exists). But they are active against the idea of God. An atheist seems to me one what believes they know God doesn't exist. They reject all arguments given for the existence of God as insufficient.

The only atheist I ever appreciated and like to hear his views is Hitchens. At least in the interviews I saw, he was always eloquent, respectful, and knew his stuff.

Artful Dodger: I think they're called Agnostics, but I could be wrong

Iamon lyme: re Sometimes I wonder the same about atheism believers. If it weren't for us, there would be no atheists."

That's like saying.I wouldn't love Chinese food if it didn't exist.........I'm not into modern art, so it does not occupy my thoughts, it's not in my solar system, dig?

Iamon lyme: Oh wait. You're right. My bad. It is Bush's fault. Maybe Holder is just trying to protect Bush and that's why he's withholding evidence. (that's why they call him Holder).

Artful Dodger: "How about that Fast and Furious scandal?"

Scandal? What scandal? If it can't be blamed on Bush, then it can't be a scandal... it never happened. What are you talking about?

The Col: Real atheists are people who've never been convinced there's a God. Not people who aggressively fight against the concept of God. Those are simply anti-theists.

The Col: we're not

The Col: Darwin.. The communist threat.. though more likely it's like the ex smoker... You were an atheist and now you feel the need to make up to God with your born again passion!!

.. But why would God care?

God believers have been proven wrong on the likes of the relation of the Earth with the rest of creation. If they were to be right.. I'm sure a big sign could have been made.. or a plaque!!

JungleBurger: If Art is driving his cab right now, I don't want him to reply. I want him to keep his eyes on the road. I don't want him getting us BOTH killed. :p

JungleBurger: Did you not get the memo? Art is supposed to BE me. Or do you not believe that? :)

The Col:

" Why are God believers so consumed with atheism? "

Sometimes I wonder the same about atheism believers. If it weren't for us, there would be no atheists.

Artful Dodger: Why are God believers so consumed with atheism?

Iamon lyme: Yeah, it's funny how atheists call science whatever doesn't challenge their materialistic view of the world. Irreducible Complexity is a huge challenge for scientists so many of them explain it away with weak arguments or they discount it all together with false claims against creationism. And yet these same scientists would wet themselves if SETI received even one intelligent signal from space. ☮☆☼•*¨*•. ¸¸•*¨☼☮☆☼•*¨*•. ¸¸•*¨☼

Here on the planet earth, we call them "Doctors".

Artful Dodger: That other dimension we can't access, at the moment, is something I'm sure isn't factored into String theory. I don't really care if it is or not... I don't store my personal beliefs on the same shelf with the toys I play with.

I don't know if anyone else is going to weigh in on this, so instead of waiting for something that may not happen, I'll just go ahead and tell you what my answer is.

A three dimensional object has length, width, and depth. A two dimensional object would only have length and width, which means it has zero depth. Without that third dimensional depth, a two dimensional object could only exist as a plane bordered by a line made up of imaginary points. With no depth at all, the two dimensional 'object' cannot exist as an object, because the line made up of imaginary points doesn't actually exist. It is imaginary.

Here's the bit you might like, because it's something I didn't know until you told me about it a few years back. You told me about irreducible complexity. The principle of irreducible complexity shows that physical reality is dependant on all three dimensions existing at the same time, otherwise no physical reality can exist. There may only be three, but it can't be reduced from that.

Iamon lyme: hmmmm, I'm not sure about two dimensional realities existing but I do believe there is another dimension which, at the moment, we can't access.

Bernice: chocolate!

Iamon lyme: Logic always has limits, it is also often misused in situations that logic cannot be logically applied.

No, I not going to argue with the word wrong, but I will point out that sometimes... we can't just know if something is wrong. Like the current model of how matter is made up and through the likes of the Higgs particle we can exist.

.... the model might be wrong, yet it might be right.

"Oh come on, admit it... you pulled that one out of a fortune cookie."

Nope, though you might find similar in a fortune cookie. You'd also find it in various religious texts and writings on throughout human history. Not everything is Confucius!!

"No, and for good reason. It can only be used once, but it's almost 100% effective. I say 'almost' because there is a small chance of survival."

Effective for how long? Puberty is just another incarnation away!!

Artful Dodger:

"Anyone who has seen my posts over the years know that my knowledge on science has a low threshold. I can't even follow your posts on science. YOu'd think that would be enough of a clue."

It could be clue, but that assumes they know how to go about looking for clues. But it's not really a clue, because you apparently have the brainpower to understand anything I might understand. If I seem to know more about science it's because I probably have more of an interest in it. The past me 'worshiped' science, which means I thought it was the most important thing anyone could be interested in.

The real difference between us is what floats our particular boats.

The people claiming I'm you posing as me are doing this because you and I are obviously friends, and any friend of yours is automatically an enemy of theirs. In their minds I don't even think it matters if we are the same person or not, they won't let it go for no other reason than to give you a hard time.

Anyway, here's an example of what I mean about science. You've probably heard about the possibility of extra dimensions. String theory needs extra dimensions in order for the theory to maintain its internal consistency, but that's another story.

So anyway, whether or not there are extra physical dimensions beyond the three we know about (because we can see and feel them), do you think it is possible for any kind of two dimensional reality to exist?

by the way, Uber and V are more than welcome to answer and give their reasons.

Artful Dodger: well I suppose you are right....Im a slave to eating LOL.......

Bernice: Well, there are slaves in America (sadly). Slavery is alive and well in the world.

The Col: We probably mean different things.

(V): " Is this sure fire cure for headaches the one you use? "

No, and for good reason. It can only be used once, but it's almost 100% effective. I say 'almost' because there is a small chance of survival.

Actually, I was just checking to see if you were reading my messages, or could somehow divine them without looking.

(V):

Logic is a good tool. But it's not a perfect tool. You can start with a solid premise, proceed with flawless logic, and still come up with a wrong answer. I suspect you might argue with the word 'wrong', but this has been tested and proven to be true long before I was born. A wrong outcome can usually be attributed to a flawed premise, but not always.

" Pure philosophical logic knows nothing and yet knows everything... "

Oh come on, admit it... you pulled that one out of a fortune cookie.

Artful Dodger: interesting,that is what I said about them originally

Artful Dodger: well that wouldn't apply to Americans would it as there are no slaves any more....hmmmmm?

The Col: I like those verses. Speaks well of Paul and the Christian faith. What do you have to say about them?

Iamon lyme: Logic does not dictate that. Pure logic excepts a certain uncertainty in things of the world, yes/no/or/and\or.. otherwise some tools like the one you are using now cannot work. Pure philosophical logic knows nothing and yet knows everything...

Is this sure fire cure for headaches the one you use?

(V): Mints are good. I found one on my pillow once at a ritzy hotel. Did those guys who went to Japan make any more of those? If not, then logic dictates that the mint I found on my pillow had to have been the very same one they made in Japan.

By the way, if you suffer from headaches, I know about a sure fire cure...

Iamon lyme: But they are not our options. they may be your options.. but others may have more than two. Nor does it mean they are relevant options.

Yes, computers are tools, but the mind that created them was not. It was alive... unless, are the aliens telling you different??

The Col: No, my "rebirth" wasn't as dramatic as that. But since there are no coconuts growing over my bed, one falling on my head would have definitely caused me to sit up and take notice.

Iamon lyme: Or the tool? Or God not knowing that which is, just believing. Like Constantine when a solar event made him (through the help of an advisor) decide to worship the Son of God rather than the Sun?

Or should we fear the tool? Like when the American manufacturers were approached by two US boffins who'd designed the first robotic arms because of sci fi films of the era.... the two guys went to Japan and made a mint.

Ephesians 6:5-9

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him

(V): " who says there are only two options? "

I don't know.. who said that? I believe what I said was 'so here are our options'. I'll have to go back and look, but I'm pretty sure that's what I said. Just because I was focused on what I believe were the relevant options, that doesn't exclude the existence of options that are not relevant.

I still don't know why you think I was talking about worshiping a shrine. A shrine is built to house something that is worshiped, the shrine itself is not built to be the object of worship. The evidence of what I actually said is what you put in your own subject heading. So lift up thine eyes, and gaze upon what you put into your own subject heading.

" Just showing a mark of respect to someone who helped save lives and 'invented' the ideas behind modern computing. "

I see. So it's not to honor the man, it's just a mark of respect... ?

On another point, is it your opinion that computers are NOT tools?

Iamon lyme: Describe for me your rebirth.Did a coconut drop on your head? was it an epiphany that roused you from sleep in the wee hours causing you to sit upright in bed in a cold sweat?

Artful Dodger: Remember when Obama slammed people who "cling to their guns and to their religion"? I thought it was the guns he mostly had a problem with. Apparently not.

(V): " No-one mentioned worshipping a 'shrine' "

That's true, because I didn't say anyone was worshiping a shrine.

Artful Dodger: I still don't know what the rationale behind walking weapons across the boarder was supposed to accomplish. We wanted drug lords and other criminals to have these weapons because... ? I can't get past the because. It's like, say, you have a headache, so someone tells you to put your head in a meat grinder and turn the handle, because...

Doesn't matter 'why' you should do it, because you shouldn't do it... it's a bad idea. They've been trying to get Holder to talk about this for over a year, but the guy has been able to stonewall them for, what has it been, 18 months now? And barely a peep about it from the major news outlets.

I know what Holder should say. He should say, "Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time."

The Col: Me thinks the protestation is a bit much and over 'played'.

How about that Fast and Furious scandal?

The Col: BTW, one small correction. I don't give as good as I get: I give better.

The Col: That's not playing the victim. It's answering a question. You do know the difference, right?

Artful Dodger: Personally speaking,I think you give as good as you get , no reason to play the victim

Iamon lyme: There are several people who have given me a hard time over it but basically it's driven by one person. Apparently she's not here on BK any longer but likely she's still behind the scenes. It is funny as the jokes on them. Anyone who has seen my posts over the years know that my knowledge on science has a low threshold. I can't even follow your posts on science. YOu'd think that would be enough of a clue.