(V): "Do you think those girls who were locked up and got free recently had a choice?"

Do you think resorting to this kind of example supports your argument? If you are suggesting that the majority of women in a relationship are kidnapped and held against their will, and forced to endure what those young women endured, then you need to get out more.

"Unless, you think men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women?"

You are absolutely right V, men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women... if those women are dating liberals who have kidnapped them and are holding them against their will. Studies have shown that liberals (the men) can be wearing belts and suspenders and STILL have trouble keeping their pants from falling down. We can send a man to the moon, but we can't prevent liberals from mooning the women they 'adore'.

Iamon lyme: He got elected 4 times.

"any of the gains made by your conservatives are chipped away at by your liberals."

What gains did Bush give you?

"Conservatism isn't distrust of the people, it's distrust of government."

No. It's distrust of anyone in power who isn't Conservative. You guys were quite happy for Mitt to be elected. But then they make promises like smaller government.

"or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat."

Do you think those girls who were locked up and got free recently had a choice?
Please... stop with the stereotyping of women as being the only ones in the loop re birth control.

Unless, you think men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women?

"You are so focused on money you could have become a banker, or an economist... or a doctor, or lawyer. Didn't anyone ever tell you that money can't buy you love? Or happiness?"

Didn't you ever here the phrase "follow the money" when it comes to criminal activities.... profit? Not like in "Dogma" when it was about "two prophets" who were gonna help save creation.

Yes.. Money does not buy happiness. But some people who have holes in their hearts think it does.

Maybe that's why the G20 are now looking at fighting aggressive tax avoidance.... They are fighting the greed... or the idea of young ladies hanging off their arms as they have big wallets.

..... Old rich men can get lonely you know!! ;P

(V): "The 50's golden age for the USA... Paid for by the USA government via the Marshall Plan. They gave money to Europe and Japan, we used it to buy American merchandise from American companies.... hence creating a false cash flow bonanza for American companies."

You are so focused on money you could have become a banker, or an economist... or a doctor, or lawyer. Didn't anyone ever tell you that money can't buy you love? Or happiness?

(V): Gladstone was a British PM governing yall with THAT philosophy? Hoo boy... I feel your pain. So apparently you've had the same problem we have, any of the gains made by your conservatives are chipped away at by your liberals. By the way, if Churchill and Gladstone weren't 'British' PMs, then what sort of PMs would they be?

The 'prudence' our illustrious president and beloved leader has exercised will ruin us if the trust he's already violated isn't soon recognised. Conservatism isn't distrust of the people, it's distrust of government... I thought you knew that. And fear is something we can all live without, like fear of global warming, or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat. I could go on for another few paragraphs about all of the fearful things conservatives are willing to let liberals endure, but right now I'm laughing so hard I can hardly see the screen. Laughter is good for the soul, but I don't need tears of laughter shorting out my keyboard... restraining myself seems the prudent thing to do.

Iamon lyme: Yep.... I know also this one by another British PM, William Gladstone.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."

As for Democrats lying....

I think after hearing that the USA interfered with Italy's 1948 elections and did for the next 24 years via the CIA...

..So what? Why should anyone outside the USA care about whether they do or don't? Realistically we were lied to for decades.

The 50's golden age for the USA... Paid for by the USA government via the Marshall Plan. They gave money to Europe and Japan, we used it to buy American merchandise from American companies.... hence creating a false cash flow bonanza for American companies.

... I can't find the "Iron Sky" film clip. ;P

(V): "Hey don't pass on your regrets onto me regarding your past political views."

What makes you think I have regrets? I'd have reason to reget it if I was still a part of it, but if I was still a part of it I wouldn't admit to regreting it even if I did regret it. You don't regret it because to do so would be to admit you've been wrong, but you don't believe you are wrong so you have no regrets. See how that works?

If I hadn't been a liberal at one time I probably wouldn't understand the mindset. What I feel is the opposite of regret. I'm happy about being a part of it at one time for two reasons: One, I'm no longer a part of it and two, it gives me some insight I wouldn't otherwise have.

Churchill knew what he was talking about when he said if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart... I think you know the rest of the quote. I appreciate the fact that he did not condemn young liberals, but instead he understood them.

Iamon lyme: Well that's American politics... we avoided alot of that except for history lessons until Maggie started employing such tactics.

"because at that time I was a member of the Democratic Tabernacle Choir, singing the praises of the left and pointing to Watergate as an example of Republican corruption."

Our history lessons were more focused on spying in the UK than Watergate. We had a few who were of the upper class and converted to communism then spied for the USSR.... High up ministers sleeping with Russian agents.. ... etc, etc.

"I'm only telling you this so that ignorance cannot be used as an excuse"

Hey don't pass on your regrets onto me regarding your past political views. Get over it and stop beating yourself and 'liberals' up about it!!

I'm not saying it's fair, but folks will often judge the people you're with by the company they keep.

(V): You still don't get it, but that's understandable. You didn't live here and were probably too young even if you did to understand the significance of this.

I am aware of how liberals used Watergate to blundgeon the right for years afterward and claim the high ground. I should know, because at that time I was a member of the Democratic Tabernacle Choir, singing the praises of the left and pointing to Watergate as an example of Republican corruption. The Democrats lost that high ground a long time ago, but the left siding hardliners haven't figured that out yet... some of them are still fighting the war in Vietnam. It wasn't that long ago that someone here accused Republicans of sending teenagers off to war, even though the draft ended in 1973 and the only party responsible for sending young men and women to war for the past 4+ years are the Democrats.

I'm only telling you this so that ignorance cannot be used as an excuse when you go about the business of focusing all of your critical attention on conservatives.

Iamon lyme: ok.. I get why in the world of politics such needs to 'get at' your opposition is used... We see it all the time in the UK by all the parties.

Left, Right and Centre leanings all do it.

"but apparently the significance of comparing Watergate to other scandals is lost on anyone other than conservatives."

Significance being opportunistic 'loud' mud slinging, like in PM's Question time? Some scandals they go on about often are molehills... but they are trying to paint them pink/tartan and other bright colours.

(V): Hello? Wake up V!

Tagging scandals with the word "gate" wasn't my idea. I was simply explaining to you why it's done.

I thought you might catch on when I gated the words 'Whitewater' and 'Benghazi' when no one else has, but apparently the significance of comparing Watergate to other scandals is lost on anyone other than conservatives.

Iamon lyme: You can't enforce it. I was referring to how it could get ridiculous using the term at every 'opportunity'.

"Unless they are commited by members of a party or by people you don't particularly like, then it's okay to focus all of your attention on them. Right?"

Wrong!!

"Well there ya go now, that's the spirit! By the way, thanks yet again for proving my point... not that you understand how, but that's okay. As long as you keep validating my points it doesn't really matter to me whether you know it or not."

Ok..... as long your not keeping a tick mark system on points. That would be creepy!!

;P

(V): "So we should now use 'gate' on all political scandals?"

What do you mean "should"? How would you enforce that?

"I get that there are scandals committed by members of all the parties and various people in the public eye."

Unless they are commited by members of a party or by people you don't particularly like, then it's okay to focus all of your attention on them. Right?

"... but 'gate' .. .. personally, Iran-gate would be a better example of the right lying, or WMD-gate..."

Well there ya go now, that's the spirit! By the way, thanks yet again for proving my point... not that you understand how, but that's okay. As long as you keep validating my points it doesn't really matter to me whether you know it or not.

Artful Dodger: But is it the ineffable one? Adam Young stopped the apocalypse on that point!!

(V): a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel.

Iamon lyme: So we should now use 'gate' on all political scandals? I know the Met police got labelled with "Pleb-gate" recently after being caught lying.

I get that there are scandals committed by members of all the parties and various people in the public eye.

... but 'gate' .. .. personally, Iran-gate would be a better example of the right lying, or WMD-gate... but on that we had a Labour PM (supposedly left wing) lying as well.

Artful Dodger: As in a Baldrick cunning plan?

(V): [I feel the use of the word 'gate' here in recent posts is over used compared to 'Watergate'.]

I'll bet you do feel that way. After all, Watergate was a misdemeanor compared to Travelgate and Filegate... and Whitewatergate. And now we have Benghazigate. So now, after all of the fuss liberals made for years following Watergate, I think there may be a few out there who are finally starting to get the point as to why so many Democrat scandals are tagged with the word "gate".


And for those who still don't get the point, it illustrates the double standard hypocrisy of the left.

(V): Yeth. And a cunning plan it ith.

(V): yeah that would be a good word to describe it.

Artful Dodger: Part of his cunning plan?? ;)

I feel the use of the word 'gate' here in recent posts is over used compared to 'Watergate'. There again.. If JFK and the rest of the family were today held upto the spotlight regarding Marilyn Monroe.. ..

..kinda like the use of 7/7 by the UK gov in light of 9/11... the scale and events of 9/11 make me feel the use of 7/7 as being disrespectful to the 9/11 victims.

It's not as if the UK hasn't been targeted by terrorists before. The IRA groups were much more organised then those who now use the brand name of Al Qaeda.

Yes.. Al Qaeda is now a brand name rather than an active organisation. Just like Coca Cola and Mac D's...

Strange though that Coca Cola and Mac D's and the like are linked to more deaths and illness in one year, than Al Qaeda in all the years.

.. apart from the time they were killing Russians possibly.

They were Freedom Fighters of course back then.

Iamon lyme: Aye... ball of yarn is part of improbability.

Iamon lyme: thank God for Fox News

Artful Dodger: Not always. As I'm sure you already know, the media does have a double standard to uphold. And it's not just the media. Liberal special interest groups have a curious habit of remaining silent when members of the party they support violate their own particular core beliefs. For example, American feminists proved what a joke they were when they were silent about Bill Clintons escapades, and even went so far as to blame his victims.

Iamon lyme: And the media stays silent.

Artful Dodger: Clinton pressured someone into making an illegal loan, in a land deal that didn't work out. That person and her husband got into trouble because of it, but the Clintons didn't. So I guess the answer would be they slipped out of the Whitewater scandal by appearing to not be directly involved... even though they were directly involved, and were in fact the reason for the illegal loan in the first place.

Obama does the same, he influences people to "take action" but manages to keep his distance from the action, so his name doesn't appear on anything later. Although that doesn't apply to the lies we were treated to with the Benghazi cover up, because it's pretty obvious who the key players were in that mess. It's more of a mystery (than Whitewater) how that got swept under the rug.

Whitewater wasn't the only scandal the Clintons managed to slip out from under. There was Travelgate, Filegate, and the circumstances surrounding Vince Foster's death. Some people would have us believe the sex scandals were Bill Clintons only "indiscretions". Wow, talk about selective memory!

OK, so how did the Clintons slip out of the Whitewater scandal????

Iamon lyme: I'm afraid to look any further

(V): Ball of yarn?

Artful Dodger: Just for fun I googled my brainking ID. Turns out Iamon is a surname and lyme is a disease.

Iamon lyme: Most people don't know my true identity. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jameshenry/2012/07/17/mitt-romney-the-artful-dodger/

They are kinda like the Tea Party for the UK's Conservatives.

UKIP has become the new darling for Daily Mail readers.

... less controversial then voting for the BNP!! eheheheheh

Iamon lyme: Yes. Not to be confused with the infinite improbability drive.

You've never heard of the ship "Heart of Gold"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Improbability_Drive#Infinite_Improbability_Drive

finite improbability machine?

Iamon lyme: Yep... right there next to a finite improbability machine.

Great for parties!! ;)

The Col: Nooooo, but I can drive a reach forklift ;)

Quantum weighting?

The Col: Likely one with gold lining too!

(V): maybe if you hum a few bars

The Col: He's not heard of cherry pickers!!

Artful Dodger: or having an elevator built

Funny.... all the papers in the UK who took part in phone hacking and other media related scandals are objecting to the new media royal charter.

.... because they were not allowed to interfere with the set up of the charter, and the laws and rules that they will have to abide by.

Awwwwwwwwwwww did ums!!

Iamon lyme: So Rick Perry walks around with lead weights in his shoes, or does he need quantum weighting??? ;P

Iamon lyme:

The Col: probably waiting for his turn to take a peek!

The Col: Gore doesn't need a ladder. He's so full of hot air he needs to hold onto something so he doesn't float away.

Artful Dodger: Is Romney holding the ladder for Gore?

rod03801: Yeah, that one is a funny pic and says it all!