Czuch: no rule says leaving is wrong....but it is frustrating when some donk stays whith crapola..then catches on the river and banks your chips. when fencer finally figures out how to do tournys...you'll hardly ever see me on the open tables.
Bwild: I agree if someone is leaving and then coming back and somehow getting around the blinds, that is not right.
But I have a different take on "banking".... On one hand, I see an advantage to "banking" after doubling up or whatever, and then coming back with less to risk if someone wants to put you all in.
But to me if someone wants to "bank", I feel I get an advantage over them. To me, it is easier to win if you outstack everyone else at the table. So, for example, I have 20K at a 2K table, I can now buy a lot more pots with losing hands than I can if I am short stacked, or conversly, I can make the "banker" (who has now just 2K) fold more winning hands when I push them all in, with a lot less risk to my stack if they call me, than if they had 5K or 10K.
Or another example.... I have just come in with 2K, or lost a hand and have 1K, and the "banker" has just turned in his 10K and come back with 2K. Now he lost his advantage to bully me around with his big stack and make me fold a winning hand when he puts me all in.
I see how it can seem frustrating when someone takes you in a big pot, and then takes "your" money off the table. But in my opinion, he has really just done you and everyone else at the table a big favor
But I am sure that someone can prove how my theory is wrong
you know...its plain bs when you have players win one hand...leave bank their money then sit back in for free. its bad poker etiquette....but here at brain king its done on a regular basis. the deal order is still messed up....and its not uncommon to see your last 2 hole cards,instead of what your actually dealt. no answer..(not even a sarcastic one) on the status of any improvements....so I guess I will continually complain until something is done.
Summertop: Yeah..brag about going all in because you are big blind and you only have enough chips left to go all in, and then you win the hand and get an achievement for your big gamble paying off
If we had a "Show Hand" feature, that would bring up another achievement: "Nasty BLUFF".
The requirements would be to win a pot of more than 1000, have the person fold the winning hand, then they must show the winning hand, then you must show a hand lower than Ace High.
Fencer: me and dp13 decided to play at the 50/100 no limit table... my small blind bet was the last thing we saw, then I got stucked there and nothing else happened. What's the matter? I got out of BB and turn my computer off twice... but I'm still stucked at that table and it doesn't work even when other players join it. ty
there is another problem with no limit holdem: say the blinds are 10/20 and i raise 60 (to make it 80) my opponent can't raise less than 60 (to make it at least 140). right now you can always raise the bigblind(20 in this example), but this is incorrect
Bwild: See my post in your fellowship. It is because you must be in Rich Text Editor. If you use that, you have to use the chain link thing to put a link in a post. If you switch out of rich text editor, doing it the way you did it works fine.
bobwhoosta: I am always grateful for a clarification of the rules because I am not aware of all details and special situations. But everything can be done, sooner or later.
Fencer: There are three scenarios Puupia is reffering too.
Case 1: Unable to go All-In mid-hand - In this scenario, if someone is in the middle of the hand he is unable to go all-in if he holds less than the Big Blind in his stack. This prevents players from making that little bit of extra money when they hit their hand after betting has dwindled their stack size. Their bet will mostly be called, so when someone gets a monster hand, they'll be slightly miffed that they can't go all-in.
Case 2: Cash Games - In this scenario, a person sitting at the table who has lost most of their chips still has an all-in move available pre-flop (For instance, in 100/200 blinds a person with 190 chips can sit around for one round waiting for a good hand, then try and triple up). In this instance, the person would be well advised to get out with their remaining chips, as any all-in move holds absolutely no clout and they will most likely lose their chips. BUT, that decision could be left up to them.
Case 2: Tournament Play - When tournaments come into play, this will become a VERY big problem, as someone with less chips than the big blind is by the rules of tournament Hold-'Em STILL a part of the tournament, and their chips are still in play. In the situation where someone is kicked out, we have two breaches of the rules. First, they have been unfairly eliminated, as by the rules they are still in the game (albeit with a very slim chance of winning). Second, their chips are still in play, and if that 1000 in chips (Assuming 1000/2000 blinds, not uncommon at the end of extremely long tournaments) is taken out of the tournament, it becomes unfair not only to the player eliminated, but to those remaining in the tournament, as they are deprived of precious opportunities to improve their stack size with very little risk.
I hope this clarifies things, and as an aside I would like to say that I think your poker implementation is very good, especially for a first attempt on this site not only for a game different than a board game, but also for a live play event. We all understand your efforts, and though it is not often expressed, your work is very much appreciated.
Fencer: "If you have chip and a chair you can win" is one the most famous lines in poker. In 1982 WSOP Jack Strauss actually came back to win the tournament after being down to just one chip.
You're just not supposed to be out of the game before you really are out of chips. Of course there will be sidepots like in any other all in situation when someone does not have enough to pay BB.
Fencer: I'd say there are two critical issues in no limit poker:
1. Sometimes betting order goes out of whack in the first betting round. 2. You can't raise all-in if you have less than bb chips. Also you'll be kicked out of table for not having enough to play if you don't have atleast as many chips as bb.
With low blinds these are just annoying, but with bigger ones it becomes a real issue. These certainly have to be fixed before tournamet play is introduced. In late stages of tournament blinds will be so big that these bugs could have serious effects on the outcome of the tournament.
Fencer: No, you are correct, there are no critical problems with the limit and no limits, but the pot limits are not configured correctly, and it has affected everyone, just some people dont realize it and other people dont use the boards or bug reports.
I guess any other features IE more options like advanced play out of turn buttons or standing up without losing your seat, will be a long wait if ever?
Czuch: There is nothing to comment yet. My local tests show that pot limit poker is OK and if something wrong happened recently, I hope you can imagine how difficult and complicated it is to reproduce such situations and pinpoint possible problem sources. Furthermore, I am busy with something else at the moment, so you must be patient and wait. As far as I know, the majority of users has no problems with limit and no limit poker here, so I can say that there is no critical issue which would require my immediate attention.
hey fenser, not much comment from you at all lately? It would be helpful to get some input on the bugs/problems and suggestions, just to know where we stand on some of the issues, thanks!
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