i suggest that anyone who wants to join the espionage Freaks fellowship should do so. this way we can join the team tourney.

yes resher is a beginner almost all of his games are time outs. I don't think he has any "WON" games. i am mentoring him at the moment.

nope nothing has been posted on the espionage board about the tourney since the 2nd of December.

it was last posted 2 weeks ago.

repost the tourney its so far down the page it may not be seen..

im currently helping 4 or 5 players, only one of which has any interest in help.

happy hermit: Yes i agree with you here. But 5 games is still alot but i guess i can live with it.

Just an observation. does anyone else think that playing 5 games at the same time is a bit much for a beginners tourney? This may be a bit much for any newbie. I thought that we were going to do a single elimination or a 3 person section. We don't want to discourage anyone so early.

happy hermit: actually here the names of the pieces are totally different then they are on IYT. i dont even know what there called here.

happy hermit: the sab is not the spy the recon is the spy... the original discussion was spy vs 2

I placed 3 games of fast espionage for players between 100 and 1500 but it says anyone can enter for some reason still.

right now i'm playing a non rated game with a player as a teaching tool. i am unable to get the BK rating thing to work when i post a game. I try to set parameters but it never works and anyone joins. even if i set the rating to no one over 1500 can challenge me, it don't work.

we have lots asking but no one joining...

will there be a list of trainers... that would be nice to list the trainers and assign a mentor to each newbie that registers. So I think that all the current SL members should Mentor a newbie. In my new job I have a Mentor who helps me through any problems that may occur or questions that i may have. That is a great idea Mark.

who win the original rookie tourney?

a 4 player variant i think would be great... I think we should gather some ideas and submit it to powers that be!

How often will we use a poll? We obviously cannot use a poll every time we cannot decide on choosing a game type. This process will become very narrow minded and become extremely Boring after awhile. We cannot be a league of only two variants. Regardless of our feelings of certain variants. If we expect to improve our games we must become strong in all aspects of our game. It sis obvious that 90% of us prefer the open ( non-volcano) variants, but we cannot neglect the volcano versions either. the other option is asking for a new variant. Which I feel that could be implemented very quickly on this site. A variant that we all can agree upon.

Yes excellent idea! The espionage.sabotage games came in a specific order on IYT. It grew with us and it should grow here the same way. The only variant that should not be touched is the plain original version due to time constraints. Other than that the small espionage is a much faster version that the IYT version due to random volcanoes. You only become a great player by making your weaknesses your strength.

if we expect to recruit new blood here I suggest that we have a variety of game types i know that some of us only like to play certain variations but if we want to recruit new player we will have to suck it up and play all versions to at least get them hooked.

the rules here are in favor of an aggressive player since both pieces are not removed when the same ranks are in battle.

SL-Mark: Sorry to hear that Mark but you sure play like you have brains!

no not the same person. Jonaron AKA ( Lightningbolt) his english is not as good as Quietmans. Jonaron is from canada and i think is French Canadian.

I just got a new job this week and my time moving will be slowed ten fold! So please bear with me in this transitional period. Thanks.

No i never use saved setups. What i mean is that if for example i have my base in the right corner of a game that I'm losing badly. instead of just resigning immediately I'll wait or slow down until other games in that section are close to ending. so that an opponent that im in a closer game with doesn't logically deduce where i may have set my base in that game in comparison to the game i just lost!

I too also use set ups when I face specific players. A taylor made Setup for just that game and opponent. In those cases i save them setups. and ill name them after that opponent.

Do not forget that slowing down while losing has its strategic needs as to not reveal your set ups to the rest of the players in your bracket. So that they can get a feel for your set ups in that particular tourney.

perhaps we can start playing for brains. if we play for a small amount this can help buy memberships for some of our pawn players.

As of this post we have 26 players. right now it seems as if there will be around 6 sections of 4+ players which is very nice. unless we get 4 more players (30).

Tenuki and ouna you may be able to convince!

ok... umm this is going to be one of the most competitive tournaments of all time! I'm really pumped but how does an unseeded player with 1 game played get a #1 seed hmmm! Whats the difference i'm psyched to play!

id love nuno to get in!

also id advise posting this up coming tourney on the tourney message board! WE can certainly get a few more players if it up there as well!

we need to get Tony into this upcoming tourney! Don't you think!?

were going to be in a lot of games in this one from what i can see. we will have to play 4players at once. Each section is very large! i prefer single elimination.

i contacted him to see if he wants in. we will have to wait for a reply.

the tourney you posted will start as soon as it hits 5 players. due to the minimum standard you set. you should set the limit higher!

you have to be careful that you don't allow it to start once it reaches your minimum standard. put a minimum like 16 people.

happy hermit: Tenuki is legit he plays slowly or should i say carefully! He is not to underestimated. Be mindful my young apprentice!

i heard everyone started with a 1500 rating?

Dark Prince: yes this is correct. the rating system is great its the way it is implemented that is abused.

here is where the flaw is. lets say i get lucky and get a 2500 rating to start, playing against average players. at this point there is no motivation to playing high ranked players ever again! and thus i will only play new players or low ranked players that have very little chance of winning. also in chess you are placed in sections with other similarly ranked players where you cannot avoid them. and eventually you will lose. these are open games not tourneys. in tourney play the rankings work perfectly but when you can pick and choose your opps they fail. ive been trying to face players and usually they turn down the game invitation in fear of losing ranking points.

he was in the very early years. I'm talking when IYT first started and they only had 1 version of sabotage.

if you did not know Nuno was one of the ORIGINAL players at IYT. he predated myself and tony wilder! He was the Cy Young or Ty Cobb of sabotage. ( to use a baseball analogy or Jose Raul Capablanca to use a chess anaolgy!

im in as well.. more than likely!

i see it all the time..unfortunately. for me 3-5 days between moves is much to long. just look at the black rook prize tourney i started it will be running for 2 years in december! this is with a 5 day time limit.

generally we used to accommodate people by changing the time limit mid way through the tourney we would up it from 3 days to 7 days but when they returned we would change the time frame back to 3 days.

here is the dangerous part with vacations. many members get a lot of vacation time and set it on auto vacation they can literally be away from the game for 2 -3 weeks without a move and not time out!

this is essentially the main page for any espionage discussion. the page i created is just a place where this hardcore people i wold go. but this best for everyone. as for time controls we will need to tweak the time controls to be advantageous to everyone. b/c as of now people move much to slow for most of us former iyt members. Fencer is also much more open to suggestions and opinions than iyt ever was. he also listens to game creation suggestions and follows through with them. I became a life time member b/c of his stand up personality! Perhaps we can find a way of getting people out of the failed tournies.

creeping doom was what he used when he came back to iyt after a bit of time away!

wait aint that tony wilder?

generally i don't resign unless it is hopeless. Its is doubtful that i will ever lose a game where a person uses a front line base. Good players will expose this EVERYTIME!