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3. 九月 2010, 19:03:29
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: However, Rod, Bwild said something interesting, about "loosing on purpose...". It's another way to see the question...


I agree with snoopy too. We should listen to both sides of the story. Although, I think Martinez was not incorrect, and his observation has legitimacy.


3. 九月 2010, 19:10:07
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida修改(3. 九月 2010, 19:13:57)
Bwild: KM story was never properly solved. I left this site for a while because of that. Purple let me (still) blocked because I asked what happened, and asked why should only KM members moderate checkers board. I was an active player than, and stopped playing it (and writting in that board) because of that. That's why I say: Brainking really "don't give a sh..." (as Fencer said) about cheating. That's what I said in PM to Martinez: we should play according to this rules. I don't like them, but I play only against who I want (who I trust). But it's wrong, in my opinion. Wrong and bad for the site. Other sites "died" because of that. Km group made the same (and still cheat) in IYT, for example. Giving up to fight this is a way to give a "slow death" to the site. I'm not criticizing, I repeat. I'm giving you (and Fencer) my opinion, in order to make (keep) brainking as a great games site, maybe the best of the world!

3. 九月 2010, 23:32:59
wetware 
题目: Re: ponds & team play
Bwild wrote "I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime
memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the
sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members
leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner. "

Thanks.  But mostly I have myself to blame.  My love of variants got the better of my judgment.  Live and learn: in the future, support responsive individuals and organizations.

4. 九月 2010, 10:07:30
Hrqls 
题目: ponds
personally i always think games should be played without help from anyone else ... ponds included .. i like the invidual acclompishment :)

but calling someone a cheater while he is just making use of the rules is too much

the issue with team play in ponds might be brought up in a discussion about ponds .. that has my full support

personally i think team play should not be allowed, and i think to remember from the earlier discussion that most players think about it that way

i fully respect tenuki and i dont think he has done anything wrong personally .. (although i didnt think about the rules about losing on purpose of bootsting ratings .. that indeed conflicts with the outcome of the former discussion (in which team play was not forbidden))

4. 九月 2010, 11:00:41
pedestrian 
题目: Re: ponds
Hrqls: Both tenuki and Pedro Martínez are strong players, and I want to be able to respect them both. What they have achieved on this site has taken a lot of effort and deserves respect. And when one of them accuses the other of cheating, I still want to respect them both. Apparently, tenuki hasn't broken any rules even if there was team play - but the current discussion has shown that nobody (perhaps except Fencer) is really happy with this interpretation of the rules.

I do think it was wrong of Pedro to make public accussations, especially without proper evidence, and I have made that argument earlier in this discussion. But the problem is, I don't know what else he could have done. Clearly, if Fencer's position is that he doesn't really care and we shouldn't take the games too seriously, there's noone to turn to with your frustrations. I think that's the biggest problem here, and I think Fencer's disgraceful goodbye to Pedro confirmed this.

I don't like it here anymore, and I'll just finish the games I've started and not start any new ones. As for BrainKing3, I couldn't care less at this point. 

4. 九月 2010, 16:10:05
alexlee 
题目: Re: ponds
Hrqls:
Thank you for seeing my point about "losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings." I really have a hard time thinking of this as team play? A game where 2 players sign up as a team and they know who all the teams are is fine. Ponds you sign up as a single player. If teams are allowed then create a pond for teams and that would be fair play for all.

There is a discussion board for ponds and that might be a better place for this? Members who do not play in ponds must be slightly bored with this by now.

4. 九月 2010, 17:57:08
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re: ponds
alexlee: I think this is not about ponds, but about BK politics.

4. 九月 2010, 20:46:51
rabbitoid 
题目: To those who think collaboration is OK
Would you consider it OK if applied to poker too? allied players telling each other what their cards are? it's exactly the same principle.

4. 九月 2010, 22:10:05
alilsassy 
题目: Re: To those who think collaboration is OK
alilsassy修改(4. 九月 2010, 22:17:01)
rabbitoid: Perfect example....IMO, it's cheating, simple as that!

collaboration is : to work jointly with others.....both ponds & poker should be an individual strategy, not a partnership with another player.

5. 九月 2010, 20:40:37
Vikings 
题目: POND DISCUSSION
tenuki has responded to the acusations brought up about him, I have moved it over to the Run Around The Pond Board for those that are interested http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=77

any further post on the subject should be made on that board

11. 九月 2010, 15:56:21
furbster 
Can anybody remember how to get the free brains, since we can no longer buy them at the moment?

11. 九月 2010, 16:07:21
Fencer 
题目: Re:
furbster: By referring new paying members.
And I prepare another option that should be much easier to everyone.

11. 九月 2010, 16:28:47
MadMonkey 
题目: Re:
Fencer: Have you thought anymore about the discussion that started back in 2004

HERE & HERE by coan.net

It sparked a discussion about having Brain Prizes for all Tournaments. It has been mentioned a few times since (i have it on my list for you lol)

You thought it was a good idea at the time any new thoughts on the matter

It would need a bit of thinking about, the only addition i would make is those being members of winning Teams get a Prize as well. (if only a few Brains)

11. 九月 2010, 16:42:30
coan.net 
题目: Re:
MadMonkey: Wow, an old post. Just to put that post into context, that was BEFORE the current system of brains was in place where they are used to buy "REAL" things like membership.

An overview of the post - have a game site, a fake "currency" that people can earn - and then use that fake "currency" to buy special things - special things that would not take any actual money away from the site owner (like lost membership), but other little perks here and there - like maybe the ability to post in color for a week being something that can be purchased with the fake currency.

11. 九月 2010, 18:24:38
ScarletRose 
题目: Re:
furbster: hon.. everyone got their.. ahem.. Free Brain when they were born.. *giggle*

11. 九月 2010, 18:41:54
Gouwe gozer 
题目: Re:
ScarletRose: LOL

11. 九月 2010, 19:17:51
furbster 
题目: Re:
ScarletRose: ahh i don't think they put mine n the right place ha

12. 九月 2010, 19:10:57
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re:
Fencer: Team Tournaments started with brain prizes. It would be great if you do that again, Fencer. It would be good for brains utlility, and to stronger/more dinamyc team tournaments...

13. 九月 2010, 12:40:08
MadMonkey 
题目: Re:
Gabriel Almeida: It would be GREAT if ONCE a year Fencer set a few normal Tournaments and a few Team Tournaments with either Brains (or even Membership) as prizes

13. 九月 2010, 12:54:57
furbster 
题目: Re:
MadMonkey: i think brains for the winning team in a team tournament is a good idea, it'd encourage more people to play, and they would be more competitive

13. 九月 2010, 13:00:44
MadMonkey 
题目: Re:
furbster: Especially in Team Tournaments that are for the lesser played games, it would hopefully encourage more to try as you say

14. 九月 2010, 00:19:33
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re:
MadMonkey: Yes, I agree... that could be the idea!

14. 九月 2010, 16:27:39
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Achievement
Gabriel Almeida修改(14. 九月 2010, 16:36:13)

Hi,



I don't know where to do it (it must be a DB for that stufs, for sure, but... there are so many DB!!!), but I would like to suggest another Achievement. Look at this game that I'm p+laying with Altermann, and you will note that I have 50 or more pieces (I haven't counted alter's pieces, but there are a lot, also). It's an epic game! :)



Could this be bolded with an achievement, in future?


14. 九月 2010, 19:31:21
rabbitoid 
题目: Re: Achievement
Gabriel Almeida: Ah, clowning backgammon, my favourite subject

I roll and move pieces
wait 2 weeks (for a "5 day tournament")
His eminence passes for the 10th time in a row
(can't do that in a hurry, you need 2 weeks to ponder the subject)
I roll and move
Wait 2 weeks
What a suspense!
His eminence passes for the 11th time in a row (you never know, something might have changed)
Wait 2 weeks
Continue to shift vacation days. You never know. Maybe the rabbit died of boredom?
Wait 2 weeks
What's the lifespan of a rabbit, anyway?

What do you know, I DID get an achievement for this game: "Force the opponent to pass the move 10 times in a row without using the autopass in a single game of backgammon or its variants."

Isn't life a treat

14. 九月 2010, 19:34:37
furbster 
题目: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid: Congrats on the achievement, i actually still need that one, maybe i should take auto pass off ha

14. 九月 2010, 21:34:53
skipinnz 
题目: Re: Achievement
furbster: Furbuster you just need to play somebody who hasn't got auto pass. That way you can achieve it. LOL

15. 九月 2010, 00:03:29
Justaminute 
题目: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid:
No idea how you play clowning backgammon but your post was very entertaining.

15. 九月 2010, 00:06:46
rabbitoid 
题目: Re: Achievement
Justaminute: When you play against His eminence, as I do, it's very simple: just roll. play whatever you like, the game won't finish in your lifetime anyway.

15. 九月 2010, 11:13:08
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid: Hehehe... playing against him, and being able to finish the game without resign it, should give an achievement too, Rabbit... :)

20. 九月 2010, 02:12:00
Mousetrap 
题目: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap修改(20. 九月 2010, 02:13:07)
and harder to access brainking at night? Seems that early morning in the UK is the only time we can get on with no trouble these days

20. 九月 2010, 02:14:49
rod03801 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap: Personally, I haven't had a problem in ages.

Just a reminder to check the usual article out. http://brainking.info/archives/414-About-the-complexity-part-1.html

20. 九月 2010, 02:15:17
MadMonkey 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap: It does not so much effect brainking for me, BUT does on Facebook. It must be something to do with the States. They are asleep in our morning, and as you say i have no problems anywhere, but from about lunchtime it gets slower....can not think of any other reason

20. 九月 2010, 02:24:55
Mousetrap 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
MadMonkey: it just kick me off. Would not reconized Brainking.com. What the heck is going on?

20. 九月 2010, 02:27:38
Mousetrap 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
rod03801: That is a very good explaination but does nothing to solve the problem

20. 九月 2010, 02:38:28
Mousetrap 
Kicked off again in last 2 few secs. Wot is going on?

20. 九月 2010, 02:42:09
skipinnz 
题目: Re:
Mousetrap: Got to be at your end as I've been on for over 6 hours and I've had no problems

20. 九月 2010, 02:51:57
Mousetrap 
题目: Re:Yeah
skipinnz: I think so too.

20. 九月 2010, 07:43:47
Fencer 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap: Sounds like a temporary local DNS lookup failure (local = at your place). If it happens again, try to use IP address instead - http://81.91.83.6

20. 九月 2010, 14:15:48
Mousetrap 
题目: Re: Try
Fencer: Thanks very much!

21. 九月 2010, 13:37:44
Bwild 
题目: Re: Is anyone else finding
Fencer: this site doesnt use google annoyingliticle....much faster...even on slow "cough" local days! lol

21. 九月 2010, 13:38:24
Bwild 
crap....yes it does

21. 九月 2010, 15:33:28
Fencer 
题目: Re:
Bwild: Of course it does. Please note that new version of Google Analytics is asynchronous, so even if their script is slow, it does not affect BrainKing page loading speed (as it used to do in the past).

21. 九月 2010, 17:30:06
nodnarbo 
题目: Re:
Fencer: so when I block all scripts from google-analytics what effect does that have on my speed and your data?

21. 九月 2010, 18:43:07
Fencer 
题目: Re:
nodnarbo: No effect.

22. 九月 2010, 08:51:36
Bernice 
I have just uploaded a pic to my photo album 3 times...first 2 times I didnt check the size and the 3rd time I did...nothing is there.....is there a reason, or are they also on approval?

22. 九月 2010, 17:08:06
Gabriel Almeida 
题目: Re:
Bernice: Well... it is problably a "pornographic picture", as this one   

23. 九月 2010, 00:03:43
Bernice 
题目: Re:
Gabriel Almeida: ROFL....it wasn't of course and I would still like an answer....but don't look like it is very forthcoming

23. 九月 2010, 00:24:25
rod03801 
题目: Re:
Bernice: The only answer I personally can provide is, No, your albums do not require approval.

23. 九月 2010, 00:47:37
Bernice 
题目: Re:
rod03801: thanks :) I will try again....

23. 九月 2010, 00:49:11
Bernice 
题目: Re:
rod03801: still wouldn't upload.

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