Now I can, with BK 2.0 :-)

ROUGHLY WHEN?

cant wait for bk 2 then , should also encourage more paying members to join too ;)

ROUGHLY SOON! If you don't want to start new tournaments, I can launch it immediately :-)

what would happen to the tournaments already there (not due to start ect) will they still be safe to start afterwards

imediately is good...

.....as long as we know what to expect :o)

As Jason asks, how will it affect the tournies?

Noooooooo Fencer LOL, you dont want to release it yet ;o)
(well i know you probably do want to, as everyone wants it here, think some things still need sorting there first) :-)

It won't effect any tournaments that are already running. You just cannot start any new ones.

lol, fencer said that , i was wondering what would happen to all the tournaments that were due to start after the swop .. people wouldnt want to lose them .

Update: I've just finished something. First rounds are started automatically, next rounds are yet to be implemented :-)

No tournaments or any other data will be lost.

*whooossshhhhhhh* im gone lol

ok well launch it already, we are all ready to see it.

no, take your time: better to wait some more weeks to make all the tests, than to have to have to restore the backup of now - 3 months at some later time, when some user stumbles on the unknown killer bug

Well Fencer, if you would quit reading this post and go work on the tournament BK2.0 code, we would be that much closer! :-)

We'll all have to have a party to celebrate the unveiling of BK 2.0 :)

Hopefully that means everyone can be friends again.

A leak is a slow kind of thing, how about if I leak my own posts word by word over different and disconnected boards? A species of apolitical art.

In this Backgammon game:
http://www.brainking.com/game/ShowGame?g=343515
at move 32 i had to play 64. As it is well-known the rules for Backgammon say that: IF IT IS POSSIBLE I HAD TO USE BOTH 2 (or 4 if i had a double) NUMBERS OF MY DICE TO PLAY A LEGAL MOVE.
Well i had played only the 4, while i could play the 6 also. And Brainking AI accepted this.
What is going on.......?

Yes, that is true. It will not force you to use both dice if you can possibly. If you have any idea about programming, you will know it is not simply telling it "If both dice can be used, both have to be used!". While I admit it is very possible (and will eventually be done) it is not number one on the priority list, and certainly will not be done before BK 2.0 is released. Until then, it's not that big of a deal. If you can use both dice, use them even though it doesn't make you. If your opponent does not use both dice even though they could have, let Fencer know and he will undo the move and let your opponent know that (s)he should use both dice.

Well i used only one dice, while i could use both, to test if the system will accept it. And suprisingly it did! Sorry about that.

Anyway, as i'm very pedantic with game rules:
IT IS A BIG DEAL THIS BUG. In the game of Backgammon you have to use the maximum number of your rolled numbers to have a legal move. So this game here, cannot be called Backgammon. Of course with the agreement you said, that the players must play it, although they have the option to do the opposite, the game can be called Backgammon again. So all the players must know about it! Perhaps you should write it to the game rules of Backgammon. Sorry if i seem too pedantic but i always want to be 100% accurate.

yes, an agreement would be good.
We could add that to the list directly under the one that states that using a program to win games is cheating.
Good suggestion CM1000

If there is a way to "go around" the rules in backgammon i think everybody should be informed how to use that "cheat". Remember we are playing prize tournaments in backgammon.

that it's technically not cheating simply because someone could inadvertently make the moves according to the order of the dice and be puzzled that only one move could be made. But, if the order of the dice was reversed (switched) then bot numbers could be played. Since the system allows this, it can't be considered cheating. It's a flaw in the system. It also occurs a small percentage of the time. I think it will be fixed in BK 2.0. :)

Well..if some people know how to use it and others not then they have an unfair advantage..cheating or not.

That I agree with completely.

Yea, in Backgammon, there are a couple of rules that are not programmed here correct. Fencer does now about the flaws, and like Kevin says, it is on the list of things to do - but unfornatly - not everything on the list can be #1. (And as a big Gammon players, I would also like the known problems fixed - but will have to wait until Fencer has more time.) :-)

Maybe Fencer can look at this when he is working on the autopass :)
Bottom line with this backgammon flaw is, although it is not the real rules of Backgammon, if Fencer has programmed it that way, it must be "his" rules.

Yes, I know about this bug. The problem is that when I added Backgammon to this site, I was not aware of this rule. And then I was short of time and had to solve more serious problems.
Please confirm if I understand the algorhithm correctly:
1) When dice are rolled, all possible moves with the first die must be checked if a valid second [and third and fourth in case of double] one can be done as well.
2) If no such move is found, dice are auto-swapped and the process repeats.
3) If still no valid move using both dice is found, player is allowed to use only one die as a legal move.
Did I miss something? I must be absolutely sure before implementing it.

(I'm sure someone will find the exact rules, or I'll search for them tomorrow just to make sure)

But I think there is also a rule like this:

If only 1 move can be made, it has to be made with the higher of the 2 dice.

Again, I'll search tomorrow for the exact rules, I remember seeing them somewhere. (Or someone else can jump in if they know them!) :-)

Doesnt matter to me if the rules are "real" or "homemade" as long as all players know how to use them. If only some players know how to "handle" this bug its unfair imo.

The rules are simple.

If you rolled a double:
You have to use the maximum number of your 4 different individual numbers. (You had to use all 4 numbers if you can, if not you have to use 3, if not you have to use 2 etc.....)

If you didn't rolled a double:
You have to use both 2 numbers if you can.
If you can move one number but not the other, then move this.
And if you can use any of the 2 but not both of them, then you have to play the higher number.

Of course if you rolled a double:
You have to use the maximum number of your 4 EQUAL playable numbers.
And not different of course as i said before:)

this situation will not apply to double though as the 2 numbers are both the same and therefore you just have to keep moving until you have no more moves available.
The bug has to do with a roll of different numbers where moving a particular pieve with one number stops the movement of the 2nd.

what happens is that some people (maybe without even knowing) moves one of the pieces and then cant move another ,but if it was made to know that two moves are available (either via the swop...or moving a differnt piece first) .. what tends to happen sometimes is that some players will move only one piece so they dont leave any open , (which you can do ..wether it is right or wrong ) .if you roll a six and a two ,you have to use the highest dice possible .

Here is a good site for rules

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"A player must use both numbers of a roll if this is legally possible (or all four numbers of a double). When only one number can be played, the player must play that number. Or if either number can be played but not both, the player must play the larger one. When neither number can be used, the player loses his turn. In the case of doubles, when all four numbers cannot be played, the player must play as many numbers as he can."

Plus the site also talks about the doubling cube! <HINT HINT> :-)

Doubling cube!!!!! Yeah! This would make Backgammon here MUCH more interesting.......
It seems not a big change but actually IT IS A HUGE CHANGE! Just my opinion.

i know this isn't the board for this harley, but... i just learned to play backgammon here, so what is the doubling cube?

Best see BBW's link to the rules below.

speaking of loseing. I've completed almost 50 games today. 35 of them were loses :P

I hate it when that happens

Crissie, I honestly don't know! I've never played with a doubling cube, and I did ask once at the backgammon board, and got an answer I understood at the time... but that was a long while ago and I've forgotten now! I'm sure if you ask again at the backgammon discussion board, someone would be good enough to explain it again :o)

stevie no moderator in their right mind would have let that post stand

What are you on about?

why has your post on here changed?

Not exactly. I've temporarily disabled all his posts. Right now I have no other choice how to deal with permanent troublemakers.

thanks Fencer

About doubling cube - I would probably implement it as another "variant" of backgammon.

it is a great game but can often take a very very long time on a turn based site, especially when both opponents are too scared to use the cube.
It is really the only way to play BG OTB though

Just curious

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Just 2 ID's?? I would specify the question to:

Is there a way to tell if someone is using mutiple ID's?