SafariGal: Something for children ...

Cranky Franky:"By the way, there are programs that can analise a chess game and compute the probability of a chess program being used. AD used something like this to analise a game I played at IYT, so I know these sort of programs exist."

And what will you do if a player in game plays the most moves by himself and only sometimes is using a program?
To find out if a move was considered by the player or described by a chessprogram is not possible with safeness.
I know that the chessbaseserver is using some statistical methods.But these methods work only in fast games without breaks and doesn`t work in turn based games.

pauloaguia: "But in correspondance chess (and other games) usually the help of books, move databases or even computers is not forbidden. Some of those (if not all) are even good ways to learn how to play the game. And since it can't be controlled anyway..."

This is exactly,what I have said many times before.In addition,I would say this is even the reason, why a correspondence chessplayer plays the game so slowly: He wants study his moves in the books,in the databases and in his engines to decide about one move rightfully. Which other reason should he have to suspend his games over and over?

And if I hear people saying :I want not play against a computer!
Perhaps you have played many times against a computer in the past without knowing it?
But mostly it is a mixture between human and machine.

And Harley`s suggestion shows the right direction - to the reality!

You are right , because we can see here the nonsense of rules which cannot be proved.

Stevie: since which time do we have these game guidelines? Fencer has said that he want formulate them correctly in the next time.

Hrqls: They could read it too .

Chessmaster1000:
I agree with you completely!

is an important point and should not be " off topic" everywhere!

Pafl: In the German Correspondence Chess Federation (BDF)any helps are official allowed.(They don`t know a better solution of this dilemma)
Even so there are better and bader players.To win against a really strong correspondence chess player you need more...

Pafl: Pafl,I only have described the reality and the rationality.And this is not ridicolous if you consider the facts.
What is the character of the way of playing here for us all,for you too?

We move in a game and then we have 1-30 days or so to suspend this game and our presence here (perhaps to look anywhere.)
Why not play the game at once completely (live) within we say two hours of course without helps and without breaks? Why we need days or weeks for one move ? This all is contradictorily! We want all here play with breaks and then we must live with the "disadvantages",otherwise we would not play here.

With prohibitions we can not find a satisfying solution,or do you think you can keep away people from using programs?
If you allow it you can have a consensus. If you forbid it you will have many,many "cheaters" and you can do nothing against it.And for these people who want play "honestly" : Play "live" on a livechess server, where you must play your game at once and completely without breaks.

" NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed."

These rules,which can be found at similar pages also are not well considered.

Which programs are forbidden? All? Some have databases only! Forbidden? And what is the difference between an electronical database and a database in bookform?
Or are are books then forbidden too? In correspondence chess most players play this kind of chess because of this reason! That means not the program plays but the player analysis with these helps to decide about a move.

I think such rules are pointless too,because you have no instruments to enforce them for all players.
Many players will use the programs even so and you cannot prove this.Better would be to allow all these helps and the chances then are for all players equal again.Or else you have again two groups of players :some with and some without programs.Moreover you have two other things on the site: suspicions and imputations: "You are a cheater because you are playing with programs! "No,I am not a cheater! Prove it" and so on.

To analyze with programs (own or not own without difference) should be allowed,because nobody knows what the players uses in his livingroom.
And rules make only sense if they can enforced.In live-games it is another thing,but in "turn-based" games with breaks of several days there is no other rational choice.

I think better would be a guidlinerule like this :
"Because we cannot control it,we dont forbid using any helps and the player can use these helps with his own choice,so we think we have equal chances for all players then" or something.

Look on the Gothic Chess board: Only themes "off topic" (ban or not ban).It seems the concept of the different moderators is failed.

..or perhaps a possibility to select groups of games :Chessvariants,Gammon-games,Checker-games,other..
.?

Aha,that`s the reason why the ratings sometimes are slope :-)

Dano,the fourth game was in 2003 against Chesscarpenter.

Fencer,there has played Gothicinventor four chessgames only and has as now a chessrating with 2641! Sorry but there must be something wrong!

I think perhaps for "liveplaying" - timelimits with we say 60 minutes for the whole game for instance - it could be interesting.. :-)

aha,this is the reason.., thanks.

Fencer,there are more and more chessservers, which use for the moves the "drag and drop"-system.I have no idea about programming,but is this possible in Brainking too anytime? Or is this change too difficult?
An example for "drag and drop" is the new ICCF-server :http://www.iccf-webchess.com , click on "tables and result", click on one of the tournements,click on one game...

Please read to it my remarks on the screen chess board.

Of course only legal positions should be possible.

It makes no sense if one side has an optimized position and the other side has a random (not optimized) position.

Random positions in screen chess is a good idea,but it should be the same position for Black and White?

Does the time start on next Saturday again,Fencer?

Normally, in OTB, it is draw !

But I can not resign,if I have offered "Draw" and my opponen doesn`t answer,until his next move! But he doesn`t move. :(

No,she was young and pretty at this time..:)

...at the moment! What gets the ten-thousandth player? A bottle sparkling wine? :-)

..but you will change it anytime?

Will the next round of a tournement start now automatically if we have the section winners or must we wait until all games are finished
(like in BK 1.0)?

New bug : "Show players games with me only" does not work.

There are so many games now in the "Waíting room".It is not possible to have a filter,to see only chessgames,only checker games etc.?

Okay,it has time.

Can we read anywhere,which things are changed now in BK 2.0?

Sometimes I win some games on time and two weeks later these game are reappearing on my screen again!
No kidding,I have nothing against a continuation of broken games, but I want be asked,please no restoring automatically!
The continuation should be possible by agreement of b o t h players, but not only by the wishes of one player only,please!Otherwise all timecontrols are useless!

ZGLULVO

Who was the third?

I agree, this game is not balanced!
But if you play it with the regular chesset and with a maharajah instead of a queen it can be interesting.

He has left BK, but we don`t know why!

It`s my opinion, too!

Ughaibu:You are right,I like this site and I am here despite the serverproblems too.
Even so the site would be better without serverproblems, am I wrong? And I think this would sure not change the "nature" of the site.

Ughaibu : the remarkable feature of this site is especially,that it is often down and it needs more money for a new server.
Pioneer: I am sure some pawns will leave, but I am sure too that some others will buy a small membership and than the site has more money to buy a new server and we,the paying members have a site with a better technique.
Other ideas are welcome too, I think.

..and they mostly must have the opinion to get more paying members with this mode.

Playing only unrated games after some time for non-paying members is the most used restricton on other chessservers..

But a only small amount for pawns makes sense, therewith we do not lose too many players.
If only the half of the pawns pay 6 € in the year we have no more problems..

I agree with you Noho, a problem is perhaps the fees for small amounts?
But I think too a free account is a very nice thing,but if there is no money for a new technique it is bad for us all! I am for a small amount for pawns, for instance 6 € in the year,or they should can play only unrated games after an half year.

I am wondering why nobody has the idea to let pay the 8000 pawns. They all play for free permanently.Let them play for free during a half year and then every pawn,who wants play rated games has to pay 6 € for the year and this is not much money.After it these pawns,who don`t pay can play only unrated games.

I have had this phenomenon too , must be something like a virus!