eagle eye: myself.

R2D2: o.4 ? what program you are talking about:)?

I have been upgraded to version 0.4, but I'm still very weak. I now play Five in Line and Pro Five in Line

Stevie. Advanced players could easily win if starting without using programs. So it could be a problem (anyway solved by making pro and swap.

Who wants to play against a program? The current version is very weak, it doesn't even build threats and only knows how to block threes.

Nothingness: thats why there is also pro five in line and swap five in line .. as well as pente and its variations

always play a 2 games with different colors with the same opponent and you wont have any flaws :)

Nothingness: and?
Programmes are not allowed on BK so it shouldnt be a problem LOL

5 line is slightly flawed, a top program will "NEVER" lose if it gets to go first. There is a significant advantage to going 1st in this game. Essentially it is a forced win for the person who goes first.

lol :)

hmm if someone could setup an easy server to test this out ..... ;)

i hope not lol

AbigailII: *nod* .. i tried it for a few seconds (at work so i couldnt try too long) ... and couldnt find an easy win (like the '4 in line' on a 'five in line' board) ...

another problem could that every game might end in a draw ? will it be possible to create a 6 in line ?

Hrqls: My initial feeling is that it is less easy for white on a board with hexagons instead of squares. A hexagon lies on 3 lines, instead of 4 on board with squares. It might even be easier to reach a draw on a hex board.

yesterday i was pondering about a board with hexagons instead of squares ... would it be possible to play six in a line in such a board ?
would it be possible to play five in a line on such a board (or would white win really easily ?)

NikNack: You can do some reading
http://renju.org/
learn about openings and attend online classes http://www.renjuclass.com/
please note renju is not exactly five-in-line, but can give some ideas :)

I didnt have time to play online, now I'm so happy to see there are some changes on brainking.com especially in rules of moku. have fun all and hope can continous playing some games for fun.

Never resign a game of five in line!

http://brainking.com/game/ArchivedGame?g=699945&i=14

I suck at playing five in line. I need some coaching on what I am doing wrong.

i think so, my ratings suck in the new varients but is around 1700 in normal 5 in a line

BuilderQ: and even lower in swap ...*ponder* .. maybe only tournaments were played where lots of beginners players against experts ?

Russian players and (Renju International Federation) had tested this Rules 1985-1991.
There were two world championships in this Pro Go-moku.
Black can win surely. May be swap version is try for Go-moku.

Has anyone noticed that Black's win percentage is actually slightly lower in pro five in line than regular?

OPEN RUSSIAN CHAMPIONSHIP IN GOMOKU. OPEN CUB OF SIBERIA IN RENJU.

Russian Renju and Gomoku Federation will organize the Open Russian
Championship in gomoku among men and women on May, 6-9, 2005 in
Tyumen.

Tournament will be carried out with "gambler" rules:

1st black stone - in the center of a board, then white stone - in the
central 5x5 square, and choose of color after 3 moves.

Competitions will be played in 2 stages.
1st stage - May, 7-8 - 1st League, Swiss System in 9 rounds.

Time control is 40 minutes for all the game. 1-6 places receive the
right of participation in the High League.

2nd stage - May, 9-10 - High League, Round-Robin System, 12
participants. Time control is also 40 minutes for all the game.

Day of arrival is May, 6.
Opening Ceremony will be held on May, 6 at 19-00.

Competitions are to be played in the City Chess Club.

The strongest Russian sportsmen will participate in the tournament.
Foreign participants are welcome!

Open cup of Siberia in renju, on May, 9-10. 7 rounds on the Swiss
system. Time control is 60 minutes for all the game. For the
participants who are not acting in the High league.

We ask all participants to send applications till April, 1.

Contact information: e-mail ar.to@mail.ru,
tel.(3452)452770, (3452)452702, Alex Saranchin.

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I know that but this allow to play normal gomoku as 'Swap gomoku' what shall be not allowed.

nosovs: Now it's fixed.

http://brainking.com/game/ShowGame?g=595784

nosovs: Can you give me the game ID?

In swap game my we have 2 games match.
In first game my opponent put 3 moves oppening and I swap.
Then the next game my opponent again put me 3 moves oppenning instead me !
You need names Tantative Black and Tantative white, for better understanding

There is a bug in pro and swap version, you can win even if you place more than 5 pieces in a line [which is wrong].
It will be fixed tomorrow and also mentioned in the rules [exactly 5 pieces in a line wins].

It is mentioned in the rules.

you have to put three stones and send moves

How to make moves ?
I put two stones at the board, but how I can make move ?

Chaosu: If white puts one stone to a corner, black will swap and probably win the game. If white doesn't want to lose, he must start with a balanced position.

if white places his stone in the corner then black can start as being white .. so why would white do that ?

As niicegiirll said some players probably will put stones in corners so game will start as normal. To avoid these situations i want propose restrictions for first move. It should be putted in centtral square (maybe 7x7?). : )

i wanted to start a tournament (my first). at the same time fencer introduced some new variants.

so i took the opportunity to create a tournament in Pro Five in Line :)

you can sign up here and have fun! :)

Nothingness...
Here white moves first and black wins a stalemate.
At IYT black moves first and white wins a stalemate.

mainly since first move wins most of the games its is such a huge advantage to go first that if you are able to draw the game with the 2nd color you deserve the win. im curious how the top players in the world play when they move 2nd.

Nothingness: The "serious" matches on this site (between opponents who are good enough to use the advantage of the 1st move) are alway 2game matches with alternating colours ... which pretty much solves it :-)

But surely a draw is just that...A draw, so why should one of the players win?

why dont white win if its a drw at the end like you do on iyt? since black has a huge advantage by going first white desereves the win for a draw.

swap is very funny and give to this game more openings,not only closed game and ofcourse if standard opening good looking in some corner,like hungarians specialties:-)btw but there is no players skill for this:-)

The easiest way is do force 1st player to do all 3 moves, then 2nd player to choose the color, this has been done on polish site www.kurnik.pl and work fine there. And swap really makes the game much more balanced.

Yes, I think the swap version would make it more fair, and yes, the restriction on the second player's first move MUST be included if this version is to be implemented.

I would like to see the "swap" version of 5-in-line at BK. The swap completely takes away 1st player`s advantage and would require only VERY little modifications to the current version.
The swap-version is simply regular 5-in-line with 2. player having an option of choosing whether he wants to play as black or white after total of 3 moves have been made. I personally think that 2nd player`s 1st move should be restricted so that it cannot be made OUTSIDE the same 5x5 center square inside which 1st player`s 2nd move cannot be made in Pente or pro-gomoku. Without this restriction player 2 could make his first move into 1 of the corners and get the advantage to himself.
Even in pro-gomoku the 1. players advantage is very big, but not so with the swap.
Let`s hear some comments...especially about the restriction for 2. player which I proposed here.

sorry but i forgot about the 2nd move restriction . so i resigned my games ... totally slipped my mind ..
Jason.

At my request, Fencer has just fixed the standings in section one. Jason and nicegirll both are now declared winners.
A great final coming up after Duke and I have finished our games in section2.

Player Sowa has not used the 2. move restriction in at least 3 of his tournament games as white in section 2 of the tournament.

This is against the rules of the tournament and therefore, all games played by him and against him will not be a part of this tournament. I will manually count the points in section 2 and if this produces a different section winner than the automatic system, I will arrange a real final for the real section winners.

Those who are playing against Sowa in the tournament can continue their games or resign them early, when it should not affect the ratings. In any case, those games are no longer a part of the tournament and will not affect who will be announced as the winner.

...is about to start!
I want to remind all players that the 2. move restriction for white must be used in all games.
If some player doesn`t use the restriction I will manually count the points leaving out all games played against that player, and if necessary, arrange a new final round into which the "real" finalists will be invited.

Good luck to everybody.

It is time to find out who is the best five-in-line player at Brainking. To avoid "surewin" -moves the 2. move restriction (like in Pro Gomoku) will be used for player1 (white). If you are not familiar with this restriction you can find it explained in rules description for Pente. All five-in-line players in Top25 have been invited (including provisional ratings). If anybody outside the top25 feels like he/she deserves to be playing in the tournament, feel free to ask me for an invite. Games start 16.1. so that pawns will have time to finish their on-going games.