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7. 三月 2010, 00:12:16
Mort 
题目: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Vikings: The FBI have pretty good record, NASA went to the moon. Your police works, taxes seem to be collected.

.. depends on what you classify as efficient. With respect in employment about 95% is efficient.

How are your bank's bonuses this year?

6. 三月 2010, 23:14:34
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger:   You state unequivically that "One fact is that there has not been any warming since 1998."  Your so big on everyone who disagrees with you backing up their assertions.  Where did you get that one from?

6. 三月 2010, 23:00:54
Vikings 
题目: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Vikings修改(6. 三月 2010, 23:01:33)
(V): Name one American government system other than the military that is run efficiently

6. 三月 2010, 21:23:25
Mort 
题目: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Artful Dodger: I can back up from your posts that you hark on about government fraud than any other type, anyone can see that!! ;)

I can back up from your posts that you think a government based health system is akin to having your feet licked by sheep (an old toture system) .. yet I can also say that a government based system is more accountable to joe public than your current health companies are. Which is something you need in the USA.

I can also say that a recent case of a paramedic denying to resusitate (sp) a man in the UK because he was by opinion... thought to be too fat is a crime. In the USA I've heard people denied treatment over stupid reasons such as "you didn't tick a box".

I know our NHS is not perfect, but as always the option to have private healthcare from national companies is available to those who wish to pay for it. As I said national.. no county to county rubbish... state to state to those in the USA.

Greed is a human thing, one of the seven deadly sins ain't it ;)

6. 三月 2010, 19:23:42
Mort 
to be balanced....

6. 三月 2010, 19:21:28
Mort 
题目: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Artful Dodger: I'm sorry Art, but I like to balanced. The attitude you give off when sniping at Obama and anything not Republican or American Conservative is that everyone else has horns and your 'guys' have halo's and are at the right hand of the I AM.

That Obama and liberal minded people invented fraud....

.... Very old British records of army spending show kings in the past concerned over how each penny is spent, long before socialism (apart from some talk by some guy called Jesus and others of his ilk) was ever invented as an economic concept.

I guess the merchants back then liked profit!!

6. 三月 2010, 19:09:34
Mort 
题目: Re: Obama and his teleprompter
Artful Dodger: Sorry to inform you, but teleprompters have been around for some time... they are not new news. I would have thought you'd heard of them, but I guess sometimes we can miss the introduction of new tech.. and the after effects in oops tv clips!! ;)

6. 三月 2010, 18:53:34
The Col 
题目: Re:you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion
Artful Dodger: "figures"?

I think you need to take a chill pill bud, nobody is here in the hopes of measuring up to your opinions,at least not me

6. 三月 2010, 18:27:42
The Col 
题目: Re:you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion
Artful Dodger: I'm a sniper? because I don't post here daily? I state my opinions on topics of interest, that's good enough for me.I wasn't aware you were the judge of what qualifies,amp it down a bit

6. 三月 2010, 16:20:13
Mort 
题目: Re: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".
Ferris Bueller: She has ideas! Most UK people thought it was scary that she might get to be President of the USA.. in the same league as Nick Griffin becoming PM!! ;)

6. 三月 2010, 16:16:12
Mort 
题目: Re: Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".
Ferris Bueller: Thing is... we have a Conservative party and they are all for our NHS, the current leader of the party praises what the NHS did for him and his family.

This right wing attitude of "SoCiAliSm is bad and anti American" is nuts. Using it to justify allowing harm, fraud and a crazy system with more knots in it than a 1000 foot long rope ladder is not democratic.

6. 三月 2010, 16:06:19
Mort 
题目: Re: And you do seem to be saying that you don't mind being ripped off by business.
Artful Dodger: My point was that there are those in business and in government who can and do rip joe public off. You hark on about government like no other organisation apart from government has corruption or abuse joe public.

I've seen government, business and charities who have been caught red handed with their hands in the coffers.

You point out that your current medical system is not right.. well then, it is the private businesses at the moment who are ripping the whole of the USA off. To say "we cannot use a government run system because it is socialist" is at best a loose use of the word socialist and IMHO a very strained stereotype of "better dead than red" old cold war rubbish.

6. 三月 2010, 09:02:45
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: The Onion

GTCharlie:  I was wondering how long it would take for someone to catch on to that. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion


It's like The Dailey Show - meant to be political satire, but some truth behind it.


6. 三月 2010, 09:01:32
The Col 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion

6. 三月 2010, 08:58:32
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger:   You state, "the global warming scenario is hype and is not supported fully by the science. "  That's what the tobacco industry sd. about smoking going back to the 40s & 50s.  They had "scientist" on their payroll to back up their false claims also.  The big oil cos. have their "scientist" to deny there is any such thing as man-made global warming.

6. 三月 2010, 08:38:38
tyyy 
Really? the Onion? why not National Lampoon or mad magazine?

6. 三月 2010, 08:06:44
The Col 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: So you're saying you like to dish it out but not take it?

6. 三月 2010, 06:56:58
Vikings 
题目: Re: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".
Ferris Bueller: The Michael Moore movie being endorsed by the Huffington Post right above it says it all

6. 三月 2010, 06:06:21
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".

6. 三月 2010, 02:20:38
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Declare yourself the winner.
Artful Dodger:  All sides "declare themselves" the winner.  Does anyone really "win" such debates?  It's all about who is spinning it.  No one is going to admit they "lost" a debate.

6. 三月 2010, 01:14:43
Vikings 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger:The word " Ignorance" is one thing, but the word "Ignorant" is personal and is not needed

6. 三月 2010, 00:23:38
The Col 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: It may surprise you, but I'm not an avid reader of this board,I only pop in periodically.So making an assumption that I'm well read on your(or anyone elses) overall philosophy is not accurate.Would you like to send me a bio?

6. 三月 2010, 00:19:26
Snoopy 
题目: Re:knife crime
(V): but my point is
you can run has many knife amnesty has you want
it DOSN'T mean they work
its a very sore point for me right now has a school friends sister was knifed to death last year and the court case is running now

5. 三月 2010, 23:46:45
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

(V):  & "Red Dawn".  LOL  Those obsessions did not end w/ the end of the Cold War. In the US, some people are scared of any gov't services for fear that it will lead to Soviet style Communism.  A lot of it is great theater put on by the right & insurance cos, like pro wrestling - especially those fake thugs at town hall meetings this summer & the "Tea Parties".  But, it does little to help political dialog.  I think real HC reform will come one day in this country once this facade is peeled away.


Just got one of those "push" telephone calls from the far right - trying to scare me about Obama's HC plan.  It would be hilarious if so many people didn't buy into that kind of crap.  I get to see the right & all its glory living in South Carolina, LOL.


Funny thing is, they are now laying off teachers & eliminating services to the Handicapped in full force in this state.  Parents are now having take care of those family members with severe mental retardation at home.  The average citizen is in an uproar, but they voted for Mark Sanford twice.  Aside from his little tryst in Argentina, he's tried to block all Federal Funds from comming into this state, mainly because he wanted to show up Obama.  Now, even Republicans here are in an Uproar.


5. 三月 2010, 23:45:10
rod03801 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: This won't be debated on the board, thanks. People are calling each other stupid. It's not necessary to talk about politics with this sort of thing.

5. 三月 2010, 23:34:56
rod03801 
This is not directed at any ONE person, but this needs to be done without getting personal. We ALL already know this.

Thanks in advance.

5. 三月 2010, 23:23:31
Pedro Martínez 
题目: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector
Artful Dodger: Don't envy, old man. There is still the Third Age University for you to go too!

5. 三月 2010, 23:22:38
The Col 
题目: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector
Artful Dodger: Dude, why does it always end up getting into personal jabs with you?

5. 三月 2010, 22:46:56
Mort 
题目: Re: Being called a Socialist is not going to change my views, but, it does for a lot of people in this country.
Ferris Bueller: But that was only because of the cold war and the likes of MaCarthyism and "duck and cover"..

.. Guess the fact that the USA having enough WMD's to kill the world several times over if they launched just didn't register on the scare meter in the US....

Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

5. 三月 2010, 22:43:38
Mort 
题目: Re: nd the majority of US citizens oppose socialism.
Artful Dodger: Which type?

And you do seem to be saying that you don't mind being ripped off by business. It's a crinimal offense over here!! Trading standards being as they are part of the consumer system. ;)

5. 三月 2010, 22:41:19
Mort 
题目: Re:knife crime
Snoopy: When there was a BIG amnesty some years back. It needs to be kept as an on going thing, manufacturing making knives so cheap!!

5. 三月 2010, 22:39:47
Mort 
题目: Re:This is precisely why the amendment was put in the constitution
Vikings: Pennsylvania "minority report" ...

".....That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals"

Ok.. some words from long past. I mean.. when the right was made, machine guns were not around.

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