Artful Dodger:The word " Ignorance" is one thing, but the word "Ignorant" is personal and is not needed

Artful Dodger: It may surprise you, but I'm not an avid reader of this board,I only pop in periodically.So making an assumption that I'm well read on your(or anyone elses) overall philosophy is not accurate.Would you like to send me a bio?

(V): but my point is
you can run has many knife amnesty has you want
it DOSN'T mean they work
its a very sore point for me right now has a school friends sister was knifed to death last year and the court case is running now

Artful Dodger: This won't be debated on the board, thanks. People are calling each other stupid. It's not necessary to talk about politics with this sort of thing.

This is not directed at any ONE person, but this needs to be done without getting personal. We ALL already know this.

Thanks in advance.

Artful Dodger: Don't envy, old man. There is still the Third Age University for you to go too!

Artful Dodger: Dude, why does it always end up getting into personal jabs with you?

Ferris Bueller: But that was only because of the cold war and the likes of MaCarthyism and "duck and cover"..

.. Guess the fact that the USA having enough WMD's to kill the world several times over if they launched just didn't register on the scare meter in the US....

Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

Artful Dodger: Which type?

And you do seem to be saying that you don't mind being ripped off by business. It's a crinimal offense over here!! Trading standards being as they are part of the consumer system. ;)

Snoopy: When there was a BIG amnesty some years back. It needs to be kept as an on going thing, manufacturing making knives so cheap!!

Vikings: Pennsylvania "minority report" ...

".....That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals"

Ok.. some words from long past. I mean.. when the right was made, machine guns were not around.

Artful Dodger: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector

Tuesday:  Your Answers.com citation states, "Federal law provides significant penalties for felons in possession of weapons, unless the felon has his rights restored by the convicting state".  That means that Federal law allows for the states to restore legal gun ownership to a felon.  Many states usually do so after a period of time depending on the felony.  Same with voting rights.

Jim Dandy:   I frankly don't care if its "Socialism" or not.  Health reform is the right thing to do to provide proper safety nets for our citizens today & stop the bleeding of spiraling HC cost.  If that is "Socialism", I guess happy to associate with it.  SS was the right thing to do.  Only people with extreme Libertarian views want to abandon SS today.  Being called a Socialist is not going to change my views, but, it does for a lot of people in this country.

Artful Dodger: The whole concept of group insurance uses the same "socialist" concept that is being used as the boogyman.The big insurance companies are laughing at the people doing their bidding so that they can post record profits, the jokes on the people

(V): when did it work?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/davehillblog/2010/mar/02/marian-fitzgerald-roger-grimshaw-stop-and-search-kinfe-crime-london-boris-johnson

Jim Dandy:  The "Socialist" tag was also used as an attack on FDR for Social Security & LBJ for his support of Medicare. 

Artful Dodger: WIKIPEDIA:

"The term ['socialized medicine'] was popularized by a public relations firm working for the American Medical Association in 1947 to disparage President Truman's proposal for a national health care system. It was a label, at the dawn of the cold war, meant to suggest that anybody advocating universal access to health care must be a communist. And the phrase has retained its political power for six decades."

Ferris Bueller: I'd heard it was a very very effective ad,but no,saying it won him the election was probably an overstatement.The fact it is still a popular refrence does say something though in regards to it's impact on political advertising

Jim Dandy:  I doubt that won LBJ the election solely, but it may have contributed to the landslide.  Barry Goldwater, his Republican opponent, advocated using nukes on Vietnam.  So, Johnson's people used the "Daisy" ad to hang the "armegedon" tag on Goldwater.

(V): .. "why do you need an arsenal of 50 firearms?"..... ".. our govenment is plotting aginst me"

This is precisely why the amendment was put in the constitution

Artful Dodger: The definition of the militia in the Iowa constitution and I am paraphrasing because it's been a while since I have read it is, All citizens between the ages of 14 and 60

Tuesday: you can't miss this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQUE_5T4G8I

Tuesday: The more that things change, the more they stay the same

Tuesday: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Tuesday: Yes,I was going to give the utube link, but I didn't think it was allowed

Tuesday:Although "fear" has been overused as a tool in recent years, it's nothing new.The LBJ daisy ad is thought by many to have won him the election back in the 60's

GTCharlie: Not if you like over here use a "you broke the law.. your nicked" policy. It's worked over here with knife crime. There was an amnesty on handing in before, and I guess people use to doing taxes a little extra paperwork is nothing.

.... Yes it would take years to work, but with education and parenting, educational adverts like "Clunk click every trip"..

.. "why do you need an arsenal of 50 firearms?"..... ".. our govenment is plotting aginst me" .. "heard of paranoia?

And as usual in the U.S., the responsible majority will be denied because of the actions of the few

pass all the laws you want..just a bigger black market will result.. same for drugs, alcohol, gambling , prostitution.. etc... doubt very much gun violence will drop much. better education and parenting is the answer. of course years of damage will take years to reverse

sorry... done!! Must re-install spell checker ;)

Ferris Bueller: Down Clay pigeon and .22, archery and some martial arts. Certain nerve pinhes can make a man cry just using two fingers :0) ....From documentaries you can learn how the Chinese use to make weapons from simple materials. More skill involved though, but enough that you could make a someone regret trying it on.. In the UK anyway.. less gun crime ;)

Artful Dodger: Young drivers pay more in insurance, it could be stated that a 'P' plate could be made law so you know if the driver is inexperianced.

Guns.. The gun law was designed to stop another 'imperial war', not to allow wanna be's GI's own enough hardware to take out a town! And it wasn't designed to mean IMHO that having the right to bear arms means you can be irresponsible with a deadly weapon.

If those who want smaller gov through responsible citizens then let them be responsible and lock up or get rid of that which is strickly speaking a 'toy for a big kid'.

.. most people only have two hands. The likes of Rambo and Arnie in his action days only carried two firearms at the time.

Ferris Bueller: Safety nets are already in place in principle, and with all probability I can see *cough* death panels (to misquote a extreme right winger phrase) to look at each case. That a mother was cleared of wrong doing in helping her daughter shows that the UK legal system will investigate any assisted suicides and make sure it was a genuine case.

Artful Dodger:  Mr. Jefferson probably did not have to deal with teens going on shooting sprees near Montecello either.  Or one of his many offspring by different women accidently killing a sibling w/ his musket.  LOL  Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled at the gun violence he would see in his beloved free country today.

Bwild:Laws and regulation

By law, a potential customer must be 18 years of age or older to purchase a firearm or legally maintain possession of one. Citizens of Canada under the age of 18 but over the age of 12 may procure a Minor’s Licence which does not allow them to purchase a firearm but allows them to borrow a firearm unsupervised and purchase ammunition. Children under the age of 12 that are found to need a firearm to hunt or trap may also be awarded the Minor's Licence. This is generally reserved for children in remote locations, primarily aboriginal communities that engage in subsistence hunting.[9]

Removable bullpup stocks are classified as prohibited devices. This regulation led to the RCMP classifying the stock of the Walther G22 rifle as prohibited while the internal components remained non-restricted. Purpose built bullpup firearms such as the PS-90 and IMI Tavor are not subject to this regulation since the stock is integral to their workings and is thus not removable.

By law, as of January 1, 2001, all firearms in Canada must legally be registered with the Canadian Firearms Registry. In early 2006 the Conservative Party of Canada formed the 39th Canadian government and announced an amnesty period of one year (later extended by a further year) in which licenced or previously licenced long gun owners would not be punished for not registering their long guns. The legal requirement to register as set forth by law has not been revoked; legislation to revoke the requirement to register long-guns was introduced by the Government during the 39th Parliament but was not brought to a vote. It was opposed by the Opposition parties who together have a majority of seats in the House of Commons. However, similar legislation may again be brought forward in the 40th Parliament since the Conservative Government remains committed to the abolition of long-gun registration.[10]

To purchase a handgun or other restricted firearm, a person must have a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) for restricted firearms and be a member of a certified range. To use restricted firearms a person must also obtain long term authorization to transport (LTATT) from their provincial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) to move the firearm to and from the range. Short term authorization to transport (STATT) is required in most cases to move a firearm from a business to the owner's home, or when the owner wishes to change the address where the firearm is stored. Firearms can be shipped without a STATT by a bonded courier directly to an owner's home.

Semi-automatic center-fire rifles and semi-automatic shotguns have a maximum magazine capacity of five rounds. Some rifles such as the M1 Garand are exempted from this requirement by name[11]. There is no restriction of magazine capacity for rimfire rifles or manual action rifles and shotguns. All handguns have a maximum capacity of ten rounds. The legal capacity of a specific magazine is determined by the firearm it was made for, not the firearm it is used in.

Canada's federal laws also restrict the ability of persons, including most security guards, to carry restricted or prohibited firearms in public, although generally carrying non-restricted firearms is permitted (although subject to other restrictions such breaching the peace if carried in manner that might alarm bystanders, such as in a city setting). For example, section 17 of the Firearms Act makes it an offence for anyone, including a security guard, to possess prohibited or restricted firearms (i.e. handguns) outside of his or her home. There are two exceptions to this prohibition found in sections 18 and 19 of the Act. Section 18 allows for persons to be issued an Authorization to Transport, or ATT, authorizing the transport of a firearm outside the home for certain purposes, such as going to and from a range, a training course or repair shop. Such firearms must be unloaded, stored in secure, locked containers and equipped with a trigger lock. Section 19 of the Act goes on to allow individuals to receive an Authorization to Carry, or ATC, granting permission to carry loaded restricted firearms on their persons for certain reasons specified in the Act. These reasons are as follows: if the person is a licensed trapper and carries the firearm while trapping, if the person is in a remote wilderness area and needs the firearm for protection against wildlife, if the person's work involves guarding or handling money or other items of substantial value, or if the person's life is in danger and police protection is inadequate to protect him or her. It should be noted that the authorities almost never issue an ATC for the last reason, that is to say, because a person's life is threatened and police protection is inadequate. Generally, the only Canadian security guards who receive authorization to carry firearms are those employed by armoured car companies.

Universal Eyes: "self-defence is not a valid reason "
guess those folks never met a grizzly bear!