Czuch: I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that Hannity doesn't appeal or speak for your average Republican anymore than Olbermann speaks for your average Democrat.They both appeal to the "frothing at the mouth' factions, in my opinion

Jim Dandy: Well Hanity, the difference is that hannity tries to promote conservative ideals, maybe to a fault, but its different from Olberman, who doesnt really defend liberal values and ideals (do liberals even have any values and ideals?) as much as he just plays negative on Bush, and again hannity doesnt try to come off as some serious glasses wearing hard news journalist, but oberman really has some fantasy of himself that is far greater than the negative ranting guy that I see!

So, yes, I hate oberman way more than I like hannity, but hannity to me doesnt pretend to be anything than he is, and that is a mouth piece for conservativism

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who was cited in a criminal complaint against Rod Blagojevich, went to the U.S. Attorney's office about alleged wrongdoers, including the Illinois governor, a Jackson spokesman said Tuesday.

Jesse Jackson Jr. reported in 2006 what he believed was a shakedown by the Illinois governor.

Jackson rejected being labeled with the term "informant" in a message to CNN contributor Roland Martin.

[...] In addition, two sources close to Jackson told CNN that, in 2002, Blagojevich -- then running for governor of Illinois -- solicited a $25,000 campaign donation from Jackson, which he did not get.

At the time, Jackson's wife, Sandi, was a candidate for the job of director of the state's Lottery Commission, a post she did not win, the sources said.

After Blagojevich took office, in early 2003, he told Jackson something to the effect of, "You see what $25,000 would have done?" the sources said.

In 2006, Jackson reported the incident, which he believed to have been an attempt at a shakedown, the sources said.

(V): If I was to name all the various outlets for conservative thought and republicans views in the USA this post would be very, very long.


You just dont get it do you????

Its about the hard news, you know, today so and so shot so and so... even Asia admits that all the news about helicopters (or whatever it was) going down all the time in Iraq, was not in sync with the reality she got from her friend who was there! So its not just about semantics IE leaving out that someone is a democrat, but also about the types of stories, IE you hate the war so all your stories are anything negative you can find. Not that the stories arent true (even though often exaggerated) but there is no balance, there were surly some stories in Iraq that pointed out something positive that was happening, but you would never catch MSNBC covering them.

The big problem that I see is that they do shape public opinions, and the point of news is not to impart your own biases into the public! If 9 or 10 news stations were behind the war in Iraq, instead of the other way around, and 9 of 10 stories showed positive results, and always ignored the negative, and always tried to portray the war in a positive light, and they promoted the American people to get behind the war effort, and always told us how great Bush is.... well this war probably would have been over long ago, but because these liberal news media types who hated Bush from day one, and who thought he stole the election, they could not wait to make him look bad at every turn (sometimes they didnt have to try real hard) and that reflected in their news coverage, and that reflected in public opinion and that reflected on why we are still in Iraq... dont worry about helping our war efforts, just so the evil vote stealer bush is mad to look bad!

Czuch: And your thoughts on his evil counter balance twin Hannity?

Jim Dandy: I'm a liberal,but I can't stand Olbermann,I


That guy is so blatant, he tries to come across as Edward Murrow but he is really just a hack who hates Bush.... he is on tonight to bitch about Bush making up his own legacy.... move on already.... poor libs, what are you all going to complain about now that Obama is in???? Letterman is even still bringing on Tina fey to impersonate Palin, thats all you got boys???

(V): I suppose,talk radio(for instance) is dominated by conservative views in the states,it is what it is.I don't see the point of debating fact,but carry on

You can actually enjoy watching both left and right leaning programs regardless of ones personal views.I'm a liberal,but I can't stand Olbermann,I'm sure there are Republicans who feel the same about Hannity,who cares

Jim Dandy: Resolution rarely happens.. It's just a debate.

Artful Dodger: http://www.rightwingnews.com/ as an example.
Youtube... various other sites.. what was that one you use to use on IYT and in the debate club for material.

If I was to name all the various outlets for conservative thought and republicans views in the USA this post would be very, very long.

So I won't name them. I ain't clicking on all those links just to prove something you already know to be true.

TV, Internet, Papers, Radio, Letter, leaflet, posters, books, dvd and some others I can't think of at the mo.

... Much shorter list and more to the point.

Artful Dodger: Isn't this a media conversation?

Not that it matters,but I don't see a resolution in sight on this topic anyway,both sides of the discussion are far too dug in

Artful Dodger: Nope. I think from what I've seen there are more conservative outlets out there... modern tech makes such things possible.

Artful Dodger: Fox news. It's a network channel. Run by republicans and Rupert Murdoch a known right wing media tycoon owns it.

(V): does the Sun every print anything thats true?

Artful Dodger: You tell me, I'm off to finish dinner.

Artful Dodger: I have, you just don't want to admit it. Czuch sees it.


And in the bottom left corner is Fox News, even if it is an editorial or 'entertainment' program.

Artful Dodger: I asked who she was as it was not clear, did you not read that by my !?!

But she has appeared on the Fox network.. seems to do alot of shows if the encyclo is right?

Including this one.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-Agwc9D8Q
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLfLmncPEc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nveiuLxc9Eo

.. many other appearances by what looks like from the logo in the bottom left corner.... Fox News.

If she's so bad why have her on the network?

(V): again... not talking about entertainment, just the so called 'news'

Czuch: hmmm I could say the same about conservative 'entertainment'... especially some of the stuff that got passed on as ads showing your new pres's capability to defend America. Or how he was made to look by repub supporters... maybe they just new he'd win ny a bigger margin unless they tried to make him look like a demon.

It's a funny ol game politics.

here is a mild example I just witnessed.... the news anchor says "no surprise, but Obama has been named man of the year for time magazine".... is it really their job to tell us if we should be surprised about a news story???? Just tell us the story and let us decide if we are surprised or whatever?

He goes on to tell us about other people considered, including, he says with a smirk on his face, sarah palin


Look, I know this example is a minor one, but it is the tip of the iceburg, and it happens all the time in a far more egregious amnner

(V): I am not complaining about not enough pro conservative points of view... the point is that so called "news" should not be biased. I know its not possible to be completely unbiased, just the fact that a story is chosen to be aired shows some sort of bias in and of itself.

Its bad enough that we have to endure bias on shows like david letterman or saturday night live, thats their choice and it is so called entertainment, there are plenty of outlets for peoples biases to shine without bringing it to our news.... in a way we conservatives should be happy about the fact that libs are so afraid of conservatives that they feel like they need to slant their news stories and warp our minds just to make liberalism more tolerable.

Czuch: There maybe only one pro conservative news tv channel aka Fox (something I've not got the time to check at the mo) but there are plenty of pro repub/conserv shows and editorials on other networks, not to mention on the web.

... Is that not true?

As I said, find a channel then that exposes all. Maybe we should send Jeremy over to the states for a while and do a few shows... He doesn't care what party you are, he'll pick to pieces any dodgy stuff and plain old 'avoiding the point at question.'

He's fun to watch.

anastasia: hillbilly



LMAO! I believe you have just coined a new phrase without even realizing it...That is the best name I have ever heard for Hillary!!!!

Billary was a good one, but hillbilly is awsome!

(V): So they keep each other in check... you have conservative biased networks and liberal biased networks who take each other to task exactly like your political parties do.


Thing is, there is not one other news outlet that is pro conservative besides fox, and I believe that fox actually only slants like that because there has to be at least one guy pushing back against the overwhelmingly liberal news media.

Even government sponsored (all citizens pay for) tv stations, like pbn are so obviously liberal biased, its just a joke. And dont tell me it used to be that way in favor of bush and the republicans, I dont remember it that way, I would like to see some evidence for that one.

Like Art said, it doesnt have to be really obvious.... just look at the next political scandal that comes along, if it is a republican, it is almost always part of the lead, that they are republican, it is part of the story, but if it is a democrat, well it might get mentioned, but it is not part of the story, it happens all the time.... "breaking news, republican blah blah blah".... or "breaking news, joe blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah democratic blah blah blah blah".

Jim Dandy: I think it's like Sun readers over here. They say they are working class people yet they are reading a conservative paper who openly support in their ed's the conservatives... Thanks to Rupert Murdoch who also owns Fox.

No-one really cares as it's a personal choice where you get your news.

Artful Dodger: So they keep each other in check... you have conservative biased networks and liberal biased networks who take each other to task exactly like your political parties do.

Wow. I'm not surprised, anyone with a brain in the UK would see that from just looking at our UK papers, etc.

It's the way of the world Art, you can deny all you want but it doesn't make it true.

Artful Dodger: So the fact that their editorial stance is conservative biased has no meaning.... Right.. ok. I get it.. I think... Everything about fox is conservative biased except for the news??

... I'll believe you... except I can't as I know fox is a biased network.

And the women was a fox rep.. high up management!?!
It sure does show how the people working for the company support the repubs.

Artful Dodger:

Artful Dodger: well,it's a nice change from always hearing about that hillbilly that is still sitting in office now

Artful Dodger: hahahaha......I used to love them days :)

Artful Dodger: I told ya I was creative ;) I have oddles of them!! some I can't post tho,hehehe

Bernice: well my GAWD ,I mean,no offense but he is acting like this is such a NEWS FLASH that the news reports one side of things....YA THINK!?
The news is biased...WOW...I never saw THAT one coming.They report crap things all the time.....

ask him about THE OLD DAYS, in the debate club hahahahha

anastasia: oh yes he did ROFLMBO........he was THE best in those days LOL...

Artful Dodger: OMG did you complain this much when they were all foo-fooing over Bush? probably not

Artful Dodger: that is exactly my point....where can you go to get the truth .....

(V): I agree,I don't see the point of those who argue Fox doesn't lean strongly to the right,it's not that big a deal.For some reason it drives those who work for or watch Fox nuts.It's just a given in my opinion,just like MSNBC leaning far left,who cares

Artful Dodger: Facts? how do you prove a comic is funny, statistically?
I'm pretty comfortable sticking my neck out on this one

Artful Dodger: As we say over here... Ohhhhhhhh no I didn't.

Explain the policy of this lady from Fox in this report...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EalIHHYisY0

Jim Dandy: Ol' Rupert Murdoch even admitted (him being a known conservative over here in the UK, owning several papers with a right wing stance thanks to his policies) that his company have attempted to sway opinion on certain matters.

Most if not all news channels, etc have a stance, some minor, some large.

Bernice: Google is just one... it leads to info that years ago was unavailable, unless your country uses heavy censorship that is.

It also leads to several online encyclopedias.... articles.. medical sites.. .. youtube... hints on DIY, gardening, and one of my favs... cheap pc parts sites..

And has saved me through some knowledge I gained at least £50 in the last month from getting to understand a shop's system, and helped me get the phone number of a certain dept of a certain company that I was unhappy with.

..... Customer care didn't know it.

Artful Dodger: I did give examples... the youtube stuff.

Artful Dodger: can you, or anybody please tell me.....now that USA has cut interest rates to 1/4%?, if this doesnt work where are they going to go next to save the country?

if there is zero interest what happens next?

Artful Dodger: In all seriousness, who other than Fox employees and likeminded viewers aren't aware of the bias? I mean come on.I don't care about their bias,what I find silly is their constant denials while keeping a straight face
MSNBC is much the same,but I doubt their viewers would try and state otherwise,they just sit back and enjoy

Artful Dodger: why do people put such faith in google?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sCQ4gAAVW2k


Altering photo's

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhuGVGF21g


Editing interviews.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmHmZ7SM8E
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxQadgSkoA

Fox news lying.

Artful Dodger: I quote.....

Jonah Goldberg
"Look, I think liberals have reasonable gripes with Fox News. It does lean to the right, primarily in its opinion programming but also in its story selection (which is fine by me) and elsewhere. But it's worth remembering that Fox is less a bastion of ideological conservatism and more a populist, tabloidy network."

And ....

"According to the results of a 2006 study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism a survey of 547 journalists, found that FOX was most frequently cited by surveyed journalists as an outlet taking an ideological stance in its coverage, and most identified as advocating conservative political positions,[33] with 56% of national journalists citing Fox News as being especially conservative in its coverage of news. Additionally FOX was viewed as having the highest profile as a conservative news organization; it was cited unprompted by 69% of national journalists"

"The "signature political news show" of the Fox News Channel, Special Report with Brit Hume, was alleged to have a strong bias in their choice of guests, overwhelmingly choosing "conservatives" over "non-conservatives" for interviews. The progressive media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) claimed that in a study of a 19 week period from January 2001 to May 2001 the ratio of conservative guests to liberals was 50:6."

Then there is your old friend Bill O'Reilly ..... It may not be a 'news' show the political bias of the program is aimed at conservative people and is not always truth full.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(December_1998)
I  know.... off topic!  But read Madeline Albright's quote

anastasia: You'll have to change country and annoy someone rich