Snoopy:"New guidelines suggest that women should have their first Pap smear by the age of 21 or within 3 years of first sexual intercourse. Women need to continue to have yearly gyn exams to look for any abnormalities or STDs, as well."

http://cancer.about.com/od/thepapsmear/f/beginpapsmear.htm

I'm just guessing here but I'm assuming that in a socialist system of medical care, a person is restricted for the procedure until a certain age?  According to the above, for may "women" the age would be 16. 

This doesn't have much to do with politics unless we're discussing the implications of socialized medicine.  Is that the reason for the 25 year old age limit? 

Family Doctor . org ;)

 Checking a variety of sites, I get different info on when to start and how often.  Basically, proper medical coverage would agree with the medical experts.  Most agree a pap smear should be done within the first few years of becoming sexually active and by age 18-21 even if one is not sexually active.  If a socialized medical system doesn't allow for these parameters, then they are simply playing with the lives of women patients.

Artful Dodger: i think what im trying to say can be seen here even if young ppl went for the test the labs used to bin them because of the age

but your properly right its on the wrong board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0I3q9Rzlg&feature=related

Snoopy: The lowest age that the risk is significant is 25, but women are allowed to go to their GP and request a check up under that age if they are concerned.

Bernice: There are more important things then money!! Like health, happiness, wisdom and things like making someone lives up to their contractual obligations.

Snoopy: I know... It needs to be lowered further to catch the rare cases.

It WILL happen.

(V): the lowest age risk is a couple of years after your sexual active and that is not in your twenties
when they do go for smears the labs bin them when they see the age on them


New guidelines suggest that women should have their first Pap smear by the age of 21 or within 3 years of first sexual intercourse. Women need to continue to have yearly gyn exams to look for any abnormalities or STDs, as well.

Artful Dodger: They did cover the peaceful protesters, and reported that most were a good natured bunch.

... But without the bad being reported, how are people going to be able to stand up and say "No, that is not right".

We don't want to go back to the days of too much secrecy, where people (and organisations) could get away with blue murder and no-one knew.

Snoopy: By the sounds of it, it's going to take a while to get sorted out.

Unfortunately by my experience, there are many things that need sorting out regarding procedures and guidelines regarding health care policies. Complaining and make petitions unfortunately in many cases seems the only way.

'da management' don't often think.

Obama "calling for a nuclear free world"....seeing as the USA is the only country to have used them :(

Nth Korea will not be dictated to by any body.

Bernice:Yeah, but that will never happen.

Artful Dodger: I know, but isn't it a terrible thing our grandchildren have to look forward to.

Bernice:It's horrible.   Some day many nations will have terrible weapons that will make the current weapons seem tame.  I worry for my grandkids.  What kind of world will they inherit? 

As soon as the UN Security Council passes another ineffectual resolution regretting the defiance of its last ineffectual resolution, the North knows it can eventually find the Obama administration back at a negotiating table for the charade's next act.



This excerpt from an article I was reading really struck home to me.... its obviously about N Korea and their nuclear bargaining chip. But it reminds me so well of what was going on with iraq in regards to how ineffectual the UN really is

One useless resolution after another, talk about a huge waste of time and money, another example of people making a living off of false importance paid for with my tax dollars

Czuch: Tell me how "ineffectual" the UN was in the Persian Gulf War or the Korean War.

Czuch: Th UN is 'ineffective' .... Is that so in Afghanistan, and how despite certain peoples disbelief, Iraq had no WMD's. Bosnia.. and all the other conflicts the UN has taken part in.

They are only ineffective if.. they do not agree as happens in any form of governing body (like in your senate, etc) .. or, they are blocked by a country vetoing direct action, or vetoing letters of discontent.

Did you hear recently, that team is being sent in to check on possible war crimes in the recent Gaza strip conflict. Israel feel they are being picked on.... But how can the 'free' show that they uphold their own laws and are morally 'superior' if we do not scrutinise without favour, our own actions.

Pedro Martínez: Well, of course, you guys are right.... It just gets frustrating sometimes when I see aholes like Kim Jong pulling stunts like this, because he spends so much time being a dick, his own people suffer, and it is we who end up paying to do for them what he neglects

I just think that in the long term, the Iraqi people will be better off, and too the rest of the world, with saddam and his regime gone, and I think the same would be true for the people in North Korea and the wolrd, if little dick was gone as well

Czuch: Well, I just trust that it'll all be sorted in the end. I must say that in recent years a lot of problems have been noted in this world of ours, and that we can't fix them all at once.

Some... will take time. Some are not under our control.. we just have to go with the flow and trust in humanity and that it will prevail in the end.

(V): we just have to go with the flow and trust in humanity and that it will prevail in the end.



I dont mind, really..... its just when "going with the flow" means taking money from responsible hard working people to support people stuck with idiot leaders, and antiquated governments, its throwing good money after bad, and it makes zero sense to me

Czuch: That is a problem getting sorted out. At least over here some of the problems are now being looked into.

I mean... eg The Home Secretary saying her main home is sharing a house with her sister in London.. whilst 'under the rules' over £100,000 has gone in improving her family home as 'under the rules' it is her second home and therefore she can claim 'expenses'.... Like for a £500 sink and a 32" LCD flat screen TV.

Being a politician is such a hard life. ..... NOT

Someone leaked her expense receipts to the press.

(V): only a 32inch??...with that sort of expence budget you would have thought she would go for a bigger one? 60in at least?

even someone without her money can afford a 42inch.

Bernice: I was thinking exactly the same thing. I have a 42-inch TV and my budget is nowhere close to hers.

Pedro Martínez: yes I have one as well LOL

(V): your forgetting the 88p she claimed for a plug for a sink

President Barack Obama flew unannounced into Iraq on Tuesday and promptly declared it was time for Iraqis to "take responsibility for their country" after America's commitment of six years and thousands of lives.




What do you think about this???


Seems to me like he should be saying something like...

"I am pulling all the US troops from your country and reinstating Saddams regime, and I am sorry for any harm the US and Bush caused you"?

I mean, how can you be against this the whole time, and now not apologize or something like that? " If I were president, you would never have gotten as far as you have, and had any hope restored for your grandchildren future, and you would still be suffering under saddams rule. and the UN could still be paying for the meager food you and your children receive from the people of the world that actually have hope and prosperity"!!

Czuch:He had to make that visit.  But clearly he's not acting entirely in the best interest of the US.  He's acting in the best interest of the new image he want's for the US.  And that image isn't a good one.  He want's to appease the enemy.  I'd eliminate them.  At least keep them on their toes. 

Bernice: Well if the people of the UK get their way, she'll be paying it all back.

If not... she'll be a Titanic for MP expenses on second homes.

Bernice: theres video evidence that he was pushed to the ground a lil before he died

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7990423.stm

smacks of another police cover up

Snoopy: 5 minutes before he had a heart attack!!

Disgusting.

Snoopy: Yep... Just like the underground shooting of a suspected 'terrorist'.. And they wander why some peoples faith in police is shaken.

While an 800 million dollar US Naval ship floats helplessly, held at bay by 4 armed men in a little row boat, the French boarded a sailboat and freed the French hostages.  One hostage was killed and so was one terrorist.  The other three terrorists were captured.

The US on the other hand are doing NOTHING!   Stupid.  Get some commandos, snipers, surround the little row boat, and if they threaten to kill the captain, shoot the bastards between the eyes.   Then go after all the other pirates with a shoot first, ask questions later.  Be proactive.  Don't simply react to the attacks.  Find the pirates, blow the hell out of them.  Apologize later.  Use the big guns on the big ship, blow their little ships to nothing.  No bodies, no debris.  Just a big splash and some red.  After a while, the pirates will realize that it's not in their best interest to mess with the US.

But once again the US acts like a wimp. 

Bush would NEVER have tolerated this crap!

Good evening. As you know, early yesterday, Somali-based pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama, a freighter carrying relief supplies to Kenya.............I will not stop until this man-made disaster is resolved in a peaceful, tolerant and ecologically-sound manner.....................There have been calls for justice and even violence against the misguided perpetrators. But such an emotional reaction has led to the disparagement of entire groups...................For too long, America has been too dismissive of the proud culture and invaluable contributions of the Pirate Community. Whether it is their pioneering work with prosthetics,..................................To address this issue, I have instructed Vice President Joe Biden to create a cabinet-level Czar of Pirate Outreach and Buccaneer Interrelation...............

Read the entire speech here.

This is a great satirical piece that fully exposes the stupidity of Obama's "rose colored glasses" approach to world issues.  Get real.  The US is NOT part of a globally run community.  We are an independent nation and run our own lives.  Blow the pirates out of the water.  Then chase the rest down and shoot to kill. 

Further, I'd put a US commando group on some of these US freighters and if the Pirates attack, I'd like them board, then shoot them dead.  All of them.  Then I'd make sure that the pirate world knows that if you mess with a US ship, you just might get your head blown off. 

Cowboy diplomacy all the way on this one.  

1. pull along side of little row boat

2. hold a hand grenade over the side above said row boat

3. pull pin

4. repeat this quote "either let the hostage go in 5 seconds or I let go"

5. wait 4 seconds for a reply

6. follow thru on ultimatum , period

Vikings:I know I wouldn't put up with it.  It's all nonsense.  A group of Navy Seals on a night raid, they tip the boat over, take the pirates about 15 feet under, figure out which one is the Captain of the US ship, take him to the surface, let the pirates suck water.  No mercy.  No innocent until proven guilty.  Just one rescued captain and 4 dead pirates. 

Vikings:Of course, a hand grenade would do wonders.  How about throwing a few hand grenades in the little boat, then when the bad guys all jump out, slit their little throats.  They'd leave the captain on board because they'd think he was gonna blow up.  But the hand grenades are duds.  lol. 

There are 39 times where the word "idiot" has been used appropriately on this board. 

Artful Dodger: Bush would NEVER have tolerated this crap!
So you're saying the pirates were waiting for Obama to get elected. There had been no piracy off the Somali coast before .

Pedro Martínez: it was reported that no American ships had been pirated in decades

Artful Dodger: LMAO & your the biggest one here:))

Pedro Martínez: It will be a good litmus test for the new liberal appeasement/talk with our enemies, get to know and understand them better, have sympathy for them, and they will play nice too, mentality.....

If these pirates let this captain go un harmed with tears in their eyes, heads hanging in shame and sorrow, and a new outlook for peaceful prosperity, then we will know that we finally have the solution to all of our problems!

Vikings: How about USS Cape St. George, USS Gonzalez, MV Seabourn Spirit (not a US-registered vessel, but owned by an American corporation) or MS Nautica (again, not registered in the US, but owned by a US-based corporation)?

For further information on the Somali piracy problem, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_piracy

Czuch: Well, they won't rescue the captain without talking to the pirates, I can tell you that.

Pedro Martínez:
  Well, to my knowledge this is the first time a US hostage has been taken.  But you're right that these pirates have been at this sort of crap a long time.

Artful Dodger: Yes, they have. And I actually think the international forces (including the US) have been doing a good job fighting against them. There were victims, there were ransoms paid, but the number of successful pirate acts has a decreasing tendency. I especially welcomed the recent incident involving FGS Spessart.

Artful Dodger: Us hostages have been taken before. Maybe not in this area, but certainly in other areas of the world.

Pedro Martínez:But don't you think they could do more?  Like have a commando group on a few ships and set the pirates up?  With a take no prisoners approach.  A dead pirate can't reoffend.

(V):When and where and what was done?

Artful Dodger: There is a comando group of sorts. It's called Combined Task Force 150. However, the take-no-prisoners approach is not feasible. International law, you know... :) But now when we have a US hostage, I can imagine a change in this respect - as the US has proven not to worry much about the international law in the past few years.

Artful Dodger: There's millions of poor desperate young men always willing to fill any open ranks with the Pirates!

well maybe not millions, but a lot!

Pedro Martínez:Well, if they surrendered, I'd have no choice but to take them prisoner.  But while they are still armed and aggressive, I'd take a shoot to kill approach.  If they survive, then they are captured.  But my goal would be to make them dead first, captured second.