Tuesday: It's the I want it now attitude.. Fine if the deal is sweet, fine if you like some push for extras on the deal. But just watch out for the small print.

Czuch: Nope. That is not true. The truth is to be fully aware before you make any purchase based on credit. Not only taking note of the interest rates, but of the small print as well. This applies to all purchases on credit including houses.

2) know your rights. EG some stores over here will say that they need a receipt as proof of purchase before exchanging faulty equipment. But the law states differently, something I have used in the exchange of faulty goods many times and even made them get the manager down if they try to argue.

3) You are by rights allowed to cross out terms in a contract if you feel they are unfair before you sign, it might mean that the other side might not sign. But better that then signing a contract that is against your interests and lead to you ending up in dooo dooo at the end of the day.

If the lending is sensible then what is your problem with it? No more 100% mortgages, no more stupid rates of interest, and the banks to be responsible and not to blindly invest money in dodgy schemes.

The Usurper: Takes years to develop. I know some Americans wished that we were still over in your country teaching you how to run a government.

For example, your lobbyist system... never would be allowed over here. There was a big enough stink when one MP took money just to ask certain questions in Parliament.

anastasia: Our local service has just started with a new bus fleet. Leather seats hand stitched in Italy, very green engines.... and most stops have a computerised timetable display along with the old paper one. It tells you the time and the expected time of arrival of the buses due at that stop.

Czuch: Actually that is not true, corporations are also bound by rules that are specific to business. And in certain aspects have less rights than an individual, as they are bound by standards that an individual not running a business has no call to live by.

Czuch: Actually the buses here a very good, comfy and regular. Our local service is every ten minutes, and most services in this area run at least 4 times an hour. The Buses have been built to cover the problems of wheelchairs and prams (the doorside can be lowered to the level of the kerb) and have easy access.. Certain supermarkets offer free delivery... you shop it, they pack it and deliver it.

The bus companies are private run for the most, some services in some towns are free, it depends on where and what the service is for. The councils subsidise certain routes, and run a door to door service for OAP's and the disabled.

Us British like them.

The Usurper: We have a high level of public transport, including some very good deals on using buses over a long distance. I can buy a ticket that lasts all day and gives me unlimited travel in our local area. Or even for about £1.50 more buy a ticket that allows me to travel long distances and is recognised by many bus companies.

I use to do a 200 mile round trip in a day on the one ticket

Czuch: Yes.... But then again no-one can moan about the rich paying more taxes to subsidise fuel.

Plus, in such cases as farmers there are special rates.

Czuch: Duty on petrol is about £2 per US gallon, plus VAT!!!

Czuch: 55 cents.. Oh wow that is high..... NOT!!!</b>

Drivers over here pay road tax, to help maintain the highways they drive on, they pay a high duty on petrol rather then those who don't drive paying tax for them.

But on the other side, some of the problem seems to be the oil companies, who make extra ordinary profits and are slow to pass on savings re reductions in the cost of oil.

The Usurper: It wouldn't surprise me that they would do that. During the Northern Ireland troubles, British Intelligence were feeding secretly loyalists with info on the name and addresses of certain people they were worried about who were either active in the IRA or supporters..... They didn't live long after the info was passed on, and our Gov could deny anything to do with it.

The Usurper: Yeah I remember the Witch killings thanks to King James here, all over misuse of certain scripture and really not looking at the contexts that said scripture were about.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" was about gold digging females that use their body to entrap a man into making them pregnant and making the man marry him out of duty rather then love. And being as a loveless marriage is against how a marriage is defined by God (A union of two souls) it is an abomination against the institute of marriage and God.

The other scripture that comes to mind is one about the misuse of 'spiritual', 'psychic' and natural 'magic' such as knowledge of herbs, etc. Such stuff is not to be used except for it's purpose to heal, which is recognised by healers and Wiccans alike. It is not to be used for self gain, and certainly not for some of this stuff we have today like "Most Haunted", psychic lines to find your true love, etc.

That is misuse and against the rules and regs and common sense of genuine gifted people. Not the 'money greedy ones'.

And don't forget the wonderful Reformation wars, which still (I believe) holds the record for deaths caused by it, some 40 million or so.... directly and indirectly from consequences like the break down of infrastructure and famine.

The Usurper: A modern example would be McCarthyism (sp) from the early period after WWII, where anyone with even the remotest connection to the communist party was persecuted. Bad hysteria based on all communism being bad.

...... Even though just a few years before, they were our brothers in arms against Hitler and we were supplying them with essential supplies through which many sailors died from U-boat attacks as we knew if Russia fell, Hitler would have only the west to concentrate on.

I still remember pictures of the two sides meeting when they'd over run Germany and Berlin and the joy and comradeship shown by all soldiers for their fellow soldier at the joy of defeating the Nazi menace.

Bernice: I disagree, I recon Stalin controller was the greatest of modern times followed historically by the RCC before the reformation. And as a group controlling people, telling big lies.... Some of the modern Christian movements in America, who put business and the use of fear, above the truth and God.

After all.. If they told the truth.. they wouldn't get their limos.

Czuch: Nahhh We all now about Bush and the lies over Saddam's WMD's.

That cover up has already been blown.

As for petrol taxes.. obviously not enough tax.

Czuch: Simple Czuch, do as we do in the UK. The tax is included in the price of the petrol. So in the end, it's how much you use that is the deciding factor in how much tax you pay on petrol.

The Usurper: I'm well aware of the rules of Karma through reincarnation (or transmigration as some old Christians use to call it)

As said, this is a world designed for education.

As for a long time... ... depends. Since the evolution of the internet, it's much harder for people to hide things from the public.

Czuch: And what the Republicans did when in power, that's why your national debt is so high.

And in the long term the plans by your present admin is to reduce this debt.


... and you are complaining?

The Usurper: Oh I remember.. Also books like Brave New World where people are grown not born. And that you are grown to be a certain class (Alpha, Beta, etc) you had no chance to improve yourself. You were as bred.

One book I remember had the USA government fake a UFO crash so accurately that it does as they want and takes the peoples minds of the countries mess. ... civil war being round the corner.

In Dune, the emperor used the Atreidies enemies to get rid of the Duke and to exterminate a threat to his own power. But if you've read it, you'll know that there was a small matter of the locals being rather..... numerous then thought. And through hardship and the nature of their world they were naturally defiant and a strong people.

That's what Governments fear, a strong people, people that think, being able to see through the 'political rant', see the signs of 'being lied to' or 'less then truthful'. We've had so many recent events in British politics where MP's have been shown up over various things like fraud, deception, etc.. that the people are starting to really question what an MP is allowed in terms of 'expenses', especially when it comes to what it is for. One MP got caught paying his son (who was at uni at the time) £200K+ in wages and said he worked in his office... But the uni was accross the country so it was impossible. The real insult was that he had only to pay back a small part of the fraud!!!

One day... we'll have enough, and the MP's better beware that day. We might have some music and a little fireworks display.

The Usurper: Almost like the script from "V for Vendetta", where the ultra conservative UK government creates a bio weapon to which they have a cure. But instead of using it on other countries they use it on the UK people in 3 places to create fear so that the 'high chancellor' gets the power and authority to do what he wants. Prosecution of anyone who disagrees or annoys him.. Gays, Muslims, any minority is picked on, vanished (via black bagging and taking away) .... Torture is fine, firing squads are fine.

Unfortunately America can't help as they are in the midst of a civil war.

Czuch: You read my post wrong. I said the opposite. I'm all for revolution if necessary if the government goes to far. Several have gone on in the past by popular movement because those at the top didn't give a damn, except about themselves.

Not entrust, empower. Give the people the ability back that has been diminished by those with personal agenda's or fears that misused the tribe instinct to fill their own void with the false pretence that they are right.

And FYI I'm for less government intrusion, certain matters fine. But excuses are being made here in the UK to introduce more, rather then facing the truth.

... Actually some politicians recognise the truth, but others like spending!!

We've lived with propaganda for so many years... telling us "them" or "it", when if the people had actually the chance from both sides to sit down with a few beers and talk maybe we would have an "we".

The Usurper: It was a case of soldiers trained from birth to fight and kill without mercy the enemy. If an enemy used a civilian as a shield, tough for the civilian!!

Then the fighting moved from earth to places of value in space, moons, planets all for profit and greed.

... And man being man invents lovely things like planet killers the size of a small round BBQ...

... But in the plot, they don't allow for Kurt Russell

The Usurper: Damn right!! If the government ain't doing it's job, or tries to employ bully boy techniques to dominate it's people rather then govern for the people. It's time for them to be removed.

Long live the people!!

The Usurper: It's like a script from the film "Soldier"

The Usurper: We run out of tea... NeVeR.

Anyways, it's usual for people to have a protest or two in the summer, or in certain cases all year round.. eg the major London airports wanting more runways.

.... One group bought a plot of land in the site of the one of the proposed and sold small squares over the internet. Truckers doing go slow convoys down motorways over fuel prices, millions descending on London to protest against GWII and it's legality.

Petitions are a favourite, sometimes national newspapers run some in cases of particular public interest and eye.

We tend to remind our government who they work for.

The Usurper: Our labour gov has had to rescue various banks. The banks even tried saying sorry for all this mess........ It was rather a pathetic attempt seeing as they wouldn't take responsibility for their actions leading to this credit crises.

As for riots in the UK... We protest, usually peacefully... It's traditional.

I get the feeling that "Prison Planet" is a little too filled of conspiracy theories.

Bernice: It?

Bernice: Still they were cut up ladies fingers. I know what EOS means. EOS

Bernice: They've been peeled to show the flesh as you do in cooking.

EOS?? Earth orbit steady?

Artful Dodger: No... I just showed that your statement was false and was very much nonsense.


And what is the Republican core philosophies? What are these idols?

The Usurper: Those who are wise, advice strongly against extremes. They are dangerous and quite easily get out of control. As the Jedi say... once you start on the path of the dark side... .... ...

Ridge: We were wrong to torture

"America's first homeland security secretary has accepted some criticisms of the US "war on terror" made in a recent report by legal experts.

Tom Ridge told the BBC that the report's attacks on extended detention and torture were justified. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7903516.stm

"Mr Ridge, who was appointed to the new post of homeland security secretary after the 11 September, 2001 attacks on the US, said the ICJ was on "solid ground" in its commentary "with regard to torture and sustained detention without due process"."

Artful Dodger: Core philosophies... Idols that maybe outdated and certainly from aspect.... illegal and sinful?

What are these philosophies?

Artful Dodger: ..... And if someone has been 'made' that for them to take responsibility is impossible. I'm afraid it's an offshoot of western philosophy Blame, blame, blame.

The Eastern style is better, fix the problem and not the blame, find out what's gone wrong and fix it.

.... anyway, how are you going to fix those who's ability to take responsibility is either eradicated or so far diminished that they are incapable of taking responsibility? They blame the government, the opposition, x, y, z!!

Artful Dodger: True calling, I didn't realise that everyone in the republican party thought the same, or that they had some idol calling. I thought in principle they were supposed to serve the people of the USA and listen to them.

Bernice: .. Well they must skip a few shipments over to here, as some.. well, I have to leave them for a week before eating. Plus I'm not sure if everyone enjoys the use of the ripening process as it is a potentially very explosive situation.

Artful Dodger: Not the side, just some of the ideas. More current examples would be segregation such as in the early part of the 20th century in America and by the South African white government. No-one is disputing that there is a problem with many families due to various reasons, and no-one is denying that a fix (even our NSPCC charity adverts) is needed, a stop to a cycle of bad ideas and bad life education that has been a problem since mankind started to have families.

... But no quick fixes will work. There is no magic wand here, but hard work and dedication to breaking a cycle that thankfully naturally is dying off on it's own, but we can just speed it up.

Someone in the know compared such problems to having to take down a wall in a place surrounded by glass houses. right correct informed wise intelligent thinking will lead to an eventual solution, not punishment for just having a bad upbringing.

Artful Dodger: No, not attacks, but reminders of how thinking regarding population control can go wrong, especially when you consider a group inferior to you. It's what kept the cold war going for years and even now creates death and destruction such as the middle east business, such as our NI terrorist war.

And I'm not complaining... but on the opposite side, can the references to what liberals are be kept under check?

Bernice: never had to gas any bananas here, they just seem to turn yellow naturally.

The Usurper: Thought it was Hitler or some other group dependent on calling themselves 'the chosen' and that others are less then they are.... such thinking is what creates suffering from observing history.

Snoopy: what you are talking about is mainly regarding certain drugs that are expensive and the stretching of budgets. They still get treated, but not by the top drug possibly... and this is under review and several 'events' have made it a topic that is on peoples minds.. so I recon they'll be change.

Free needles for drug addicts is a saving on the NHS. Less needle sharing, less chance they will have to pay later to treat another person that is dying from a transmitted terminal disease.

.. It's called preventive medicine saving resources.

I'm sorry, but it's the rule to pay if you can afford to. But if you use the internet like many do, the price is very low and not really a real drain. I see about £8 pounds for a hundred syringes.

A Joke? Go private then. Or goto America and demand free health care.
Our system may not be perfect, but it rates better then many.

Czuch: No one said stop thinking, there are many types of thinking, and from a point of statistics no-one has invented a model that can logically predict humans, as we are all individuals and the empirical nature of how we grow and learn means that apart from certain common elements depending on area, etc means any logical..ish attempt to work out a human require alot of thought.

As for the heart... It is supposed to be the centre of our being, the place of reflection of the light that is I AM.

Technically speaking, anyone who ignores this when thinking is having dead thoughts, not living ones and is technically not awake.

Bernice: Nope.... It's a natural process, on transit to europe they are prevented from ripening....

Plus also, Their are ladies fingers... a yellow pink banana and red bananas, also known as Makabu which turn purplish red when ripe.

Artful Dodger: Common sense is not logic, it's simple right action.

"our rule"?

Snoopy: mmmmm when I've found people to delay a thing I pester them. You just must be one of the unlucky ones.

certain treatments over other treatments, you still get treated. And I thought there was some option in such cases to go elsewhere in certain cases. And the NHS will just pay for it.. Some EU scheme where you can get treatment in Europe.. including to avoid waiting times in some cases.

Perhaps you should check up on it with your GP or CAB.

Artful Dodger: No, Bananas turn yellow, when picked they are green.

I never use a bucket with a hole in it to carry water, it's common sense not to. And I use a teaspoon to measure my sugar in my coffee... It's a good way to cut down.

Artful Dodger: Ok.. the politicians would like us to be as well as certain religious groups... But it'll never happen.

Snoopy: I've not heard a case of a patient dying through negligence for some years in a corridor, waiting years for minor ops.... From experience I know that is not true. The odd exception may take place, but making that appear the norm is not true.

As for Doctors working 80 hours... since 1994 regulations have in place under EU law and even soon after the rules were made, 95% of docs were working less then the 58 hours.

It was all over the news about the EU law on doctors hours.