Übergeek 바둑이:  All nonsense.  Beck doesn't like Obama's policies.   Obama's being black has nothing to do with it.  You play the race card and I've no respect for that.

You have to be blind to suggest Van Jones was "smeared."  HOW exactly did Beck accomplish this?  All Beck did was to quote Van Jones, play tapes of Van Jones's own speeches and ask questions. 

You don't have your facts straight about ACORN.  There is no doctored video.  You have no evidence of that.  You are just parroting some nonsense you've read.  You will see.  ACORN will lose in this suit.  Odd that for a doctored video all the people involved on ACORN's side were fired by ACORN. 

Get your facts straight.  ACORN has been caught in election fraud, over 30 of their people have been charged in election fraud, one of it's founders is now under investigation for embezzlement, and on more than one occasion, ACORN officials assisted in getting housing for the sole purpose of under age prostitution.

Wise up.

Artful Dodger: I'm not people... I'm me.

I expect now that next time you disagree with Obama and/or Washington you'll drop the use of "idiot"..... Seeing as you feel so strongly about the use of the word. And that I hear Beck treating people like idiots and implying as such.

... Look, you can't have one rule "Republicans can do this, Democrats can do that." .. It's not real, just theatrics.

Artful Dodger: As Glen Beck does??

(V):   I back up my "they are idiots" with facts and logical arguments.  Dismissing someone as an "idiot" but offering no reason is name calling.   Case in point:  A leading "idiot" democrat was quoted as saying that he didn't read the bills he voted for because they are a: too many pages; and b: too difficult to understand.

They guy's an idiot.  Do the math.  He's voting YES on bills he's NEVER READ and he justifies never reading those bills saying they are too difficult to understand.

BTW, they are idiots on both sides of the isle.  In the final analysis, Bush was an idiot.  Why?  He violated nearly every Conservative principle.  He's responsible for the huge government as it started with him.  Huge government systems spell fraud, incompetence, waste, and inefficiency.  

You'd have to be an idiot not to see the difference. 

(V):  Glen Beck doesn't play the race card.  I doubt you really understand what that even means.

Artful Dodger: Over here.. 1000+ construction companies conspired to defraud public, private and charity building projects. We can play the '''''fraud''''' game all night. Madoff..... 50 billion... gone.

What is the conservative principle?? I find it confusing seeing as so much change has gone on in that in the last 100 years!!

And Beck does play the race game. He plays many games to 'get a reaction'.. including fake crying.

Come on Art, it's pointless saying the guy doesn't do this, they do that when Beck's stuff is all on youtube.

(V):  Then you should have no trouble showing several examples of where Beck played the race card.  Go for it.

Artful Dodger: I can, but it'd be more easy just to look on theyoungturks channel. I'm a bit concerned about posting actual links to them, as.. as most people do.. they swear from time to time.

I'm sure, you finding "idiot" as a 'bad' insult, you can understand my suggestion just to look.

(V):  So you can't really offer any examples then. 

Artful Dodger: I'm not repeating myself. *says in an Ben Kenobi voice from the old Star Wars*.....

goooo look Art, the video is there...

(V):  I have seen one video where he was interviewed on Fox and Friends.  He clearly says he thinks Obama is a racist.  I've seen that one before.  You are claiming that Beck plays the race card.  I don't see it.  So if this one video you have is all you've got, you've got nothing. 

Like I said, you don't get the race card ploy.  YOu only think you do.

Artful Dodger: go loook Art.

You are making a empty argument. And you know it.

(V):  Just as I thought.  You have no examples to offer.  If you make the claim, back it up.  Otherwise it's clear that you are the one who is running on empty. 

Artful Dodger: Art...... seriously .. do you think a reply like that ain't gonna be considered anything more than theatrics??

(V):  Send those links in a PM.  There, yer out of excuses.

Artful Dodger: I'll post one.. his point is the small minority (aka the bloke commentating) who like with the film "Dogma" get ... .... over responsive.

Ya moan about the 'liberal fringe.. respect right has a lunatic element as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLppliFzbs

(V):  Send the others to me via PM.  Unless of course you have nothing to send.  Which is what I suspect.  Hot air flows up. 

Artful Dodger: Yes... hot air flows up.. also warming cold air in the process.

Is this a Zen night??

Gotta get another beer then! *burp*

I watched beck the other nite as he was pointing out the acorn plot.
interestingly one of acorns top people was appointed by yomama under direct influence from george soros.
wake up and smell the coffee,people.
as far as the race card goes...I knew it was inevitable. demo's would evintually cry out racism when they felt they needed an opinion poll boost.
it doesnt matter that yomama's birth record is gray at the very least...he was popular, and needed to when over public opinion, by the powers that actually run our planet.

(V):I saw that program live.  It was funny and Beck makes a good point.   But nowhere did I see him play any race card.  He's talking about illegal immigration.  Note the word illegal.  Yeah.  But blundered here big time.  Do you know what the US Constitution has to say about that?  I do. 

The Young Turks is a far left internet radio outfit.  What else would you expect from them? 

Bwild: Politicians kiss babies to make votes.. Also play head games over details that the other is not perfect.

Who is?

(V): your post....like many others you post....makes absolutly no sense to me,and I'd have to be an idiot to try and make you understand anything.

Bwild: Obama has direct ties to ACORN but  is trying to distance his relational ties to that organization.  Unfortunately for him, he's on VIDEO promising them a voice in the President's decisions. 

Artful Dodger: He is funny, and goes over the edge. The really funny thing is that he gets paid so much to be a real American.

Like Douglas Adams said... "from a time when men were real men, when women were real women.. and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri".

Note the over use of the word "real".

(V): Ok. *burp*

Bwild:

Artful Dodger: our country and many others are run by the likes of soros. when they finally succede in taking away our guns...we'll be no better off than most 3rd world countries.

(V):  Beck is right about most things.   He's exposed a lot of fraud in the White House.  Recently he exposed a few things about John McCain.  He said McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama.  

If Obama was white, and McCain black, Beck would have been called a racist for that comment.   That's how the game is played.

Bwild: Actually many (if not most) third world countries have too many guns and totally unregulated in control. There was the famous bout of Iraqi police selling guns to those killing Allied soldiers.. Guns they were given to keep the peace.

(V):  waiting for my pm

Artful Dodger: I don't play it that way. McCain I hear had health problems that could have left Palin as Pres... doesn't that make you afraid??

There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?

Artful Dodger: It's PM here..... had dinner, having a beer.

I'll look through some more am... now it's just fun time.

(V):"There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?"

Everywhere?  Even under the couch?   In principle I agree.  But that alone doesn't mean that everyone is a fraud.   Clearly that's not the case.

Palin was the best choice for President.  Better than ANY other choice. 

Artful Dodger: Palin... as Pesident.... You need to watch "V for Vendetta"

And no... not everyone is a fraud... but such is business that people want to make a profit

(V):  Seen it.  He'd vote for Palin. 

Artful Dodger: Nahhhhhhh...

He wanted people to have hope... not tons of dresses.

(V):  BTW, using excerpts from "The Young Turks" show as evidence against Beck is like using an excerpt from Beck's show as evidence against them.  You can't get much more far left than that group. 

(V):  weak

Artful Dodger: Awww I just punched Beck's name in youtube I saw what came up.

Beck would be great in a certain out take show over here...

He'd be up there with Maradona

(V):  His show is number one.

The Young Turks were offered a slot by MSNBC. 

That says it all. 

thanks to the multitudes of people that pointed out that I missed a word, I'm glad you all have my back

Artful Dodger: Is criticising Conservative ideas illegal in the USA, or just a normal part of politics, media and what not?

And ya forget... I ain't American.. saying "offered a slot by MSNBC. " means nothing.. is it a USA conservative metaphor?

(V):  shhhhhh, I'm watching Glen Beck.  He's making great points as I write this!!! 

Artful Dodger: I'm still waiting to know what the Conservative idea is. I feel like Columbo.. so confused over it all.

Artful Dodger:

> the race card

I will say this about Glenn Beck. If he is not a racist, why then make comments like this:

"Illegal immigrants are either terrorists, outlaws, or people who can't make a living in their own dirtbag country."

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200604280003

Consider this other video and how he expresses himself about Mexicans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZoHlWIoCIo

He might not think he is racist, but his behavior borders on it. When he called Obama a racist, all I can say is "it takes one to know one".

Übergeek 바둑이: can you name one more legitimate reason that doesn't fall under one of those 3 catagories?
Remember the key word is Illegal

Vikings: The three major causes of illegal immigration are family reunification, poverty and population growth, none of which were mentioned by Beck.

Pedro Martínez: well family reunification wouldn't be illegal, and there is a legal means for population immigration and poverty falls under "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country" so I'll still be waiting for a legitimate reason

Vikings: I am telling you that those three reasons ARE the major causes of illegal immigration. Whether you like it or not. It's a fact. On family reunification, read this, for example:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700771.html

Or this:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/us0506/6.htm#_Toc132691968


Poverty doesn't fall under "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country," "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country" falls under poverty.

And the fact that there is a legal way to immigrate because of population growth doesn't mean that there are not a number of illegal immigrants who leave their countries for this reason and enter other countries without visas or other permits. So keep waiting, I'll be waiting for yesterday.

Übergeek 바둑이:  Nonsense.   Out of context quotes are meaningless.  I've listened to him nearly everyday and if he were a true racist, it would be obvious. 

Some illegals are terrorists.  Some are outlaws.  And many can't make money in their own dirtbag country (Mexico). 

But the key word is illegal.  They break the law by crossing the border improperly.   It's the responsibility of the US President to secure our borders.   US citizens have a right to expect that.