coan.net: The typical way of avoiding people "sitting out" when it's their turn to be a blind is to require people to pay a big (or small) blind when joining a game in progress. Either by having them wait until they the big blind rotate to their seat, or by having them pay a big blind for the first hand they play after joining.

Alternatively, one could get rid of the blinds all together and require everyone to play an ante. But it's common for Texas Hold Em to have blinds instead of antes.

Bwild: .... except you don't get their money when you win! (Don't get me wrong - I agree that it is stupid to sit out just so you don't have to place an automatic bid before you see your cards) - but the point was brought up before in this Discussion Board - which is why i was bringing it back up, since being able to sit out a hand or two and still stay at the table would seem to fall right into those who play that way hands.

coan.net:I play on other sites and have never noticed it...or maybe I just didnt care...either way..their sitting out just makes my aces that much better

Bwild: But they put no money in the pot - that is some people are so "cheap" that if they have their choice, they will try to make it so they can always look at their cards to decide if they want to bet or not - and just try to never make a small or big blind. (At least that is how I understand the complaint as someone wrote awhile before). (And sounded like it was issues at other "poker" sites maybe???)

coan.net:not everyone fully understands the mechanics of the game imo..if you sit out before your next to put up the blind...big or small....you dont get dealt.   maybe you sat out on pocket aces...or 7-3...but no one will ever know..because you sat out.

Bwild: Oh, sorry.

The only issue I see is that some people apparently like to sit up when it is their turn to have a small/big blind, and then sit back down when/where they don't have the small/big blind..... well at least someone complained about that before. Would something like that cause issues like this?

coan.net:actually...I was referring to sitting out before your blind.

Bwild: Sometimes though it is nice to sit behind everyone where you have the last option to call or raise - and if you your put chips in out of order and decide to raise higher, those who might have called before might not now because they don't want to go higher... but if the order was correct, they would have called (so some money was already in), and then also be more willing to raise along with it to put even more money into the pot for you to win. If the order gets out of order - then that strategy will not work anymore.

Agree - not a very big deal, but enough of a deal that would be nice to get fixed.

blinds come before the deal...so it really doesnt matter.

Czuch:  I'm OK with the sit out one hand but remain on the table... but it shouldn't be applicable when you are on the big stack or the little stack...  It would get abused...

nodnarbo: The way it is now, you can just check the sit out next hand and then open a new tab or whatever and move on.... but instead of it being sit out next hand it should say leave table...

Czuch: I agree, I think it would also be nice to be able to leave the table in the middle of the hand after folding, and not wait until the hand is completely finished

So.... the sit out next hand option should deal you out but leave you at the table, or you can have it so that you do get cards and take blinds, if you want to, and then auto check fold them....

Then an option to leave the table as well

yeah, this is a real issue..... you have to be able to sit out some hands without losing your seat..... and we have to have tables where the buy in is much lower than the maximum chips we get... It wont really be an issue once our stacks get built up, but I just had over 2000 chips, and lost 1500 on a bad beat, and now I have 480 chips (or whatever under 500) and now I cant play for another 12 hours?

Czuch: LMAO!!! hahahah, I just sat out a hand to come here and make the last post, and I wasnt paying attention, now I have just under 500 chips and cant get back on the table!!!! and 12 hours to get more chips!

We either need lower buy in tables or at least a way to sit out a hand or two without giving up our seats, or even better BOTH!

Thing is about only 500 minimum table limits, lets say I get a new stack, I play a hand and lose my blind, say 20 bucks, then I have a computer problem or something, or I just have to go to the head.... now I have 480 chips but cant get into any games?

Czuch: You mean like this:

I made the screen print and told Fencer about it - a bug that happens when someone is removed from the table I think. It then seems to do the bidding out of order - everyone still got a chance to bid, but of course not in the correct order, which the order & where you sit at a table is important part of the game.

coan.net: okay... now check game 22 on no limit 8 person table... i was next after big blind, but it skipped me and went around and I made my call after the big blind checked, this is a bug that needs to be looked at please.

Czuch: I'm not 100% sure, but I think the max buy is is double the minimum buy-in. (So if the minimum is 500, 1000 is the max you can bring to the table). Again, not 100% sure that is the same on all the tables or not.

I have seen now that there are some upper limits when you sign on to a table, but they should be mentioned as part of the table description please?

Also, what happened to the idea of some upper buy in limits as well?

Since we are only given a 500 chip rebuy, couldnt we have some tables with less than 500 minimum buy in please?

I had to try this poker game and it was fun but the 45sec "thinking time" is too long. 15 or at the most 30 sec is more than enough. Tables for only 5 players would be a good idea too. It would be nice if the graphics could be improved. Not only because of "the look" but people with eyesight problems will have problems playing for a longer time.

Czuch: I've been busy myself... plus now need to try to catch up on my "regular" games before I jump back in a poker table.

But actually - I'm not really into the "live" game - so even after it is out of "test" mode, I won't play too much - I personally come to the turn-based game sites to play turn-based games, which is usually something I do while watching TV or watching a Movie - sometimes I do other website development or other work while playing games in between.... and playing "live" poker is just hard for me to do while trying to do other stuff.

So in short - I may jump in occasionally, but don't look at me to be a regular in the live poker tables.

Bernice: I think some people are waiting for fencer to reset the chip count and start everyone over again.... but he wants to do it after its bug proof, but it wont be bug proof if nobody plays?

Im not sure what I can do, I sometimes try to play like I dont have as much money, but that isnt how poker is played, if you have it you are supposed to use it to your advantage, even if it means stealing blinds all day long.

I think a tournament structure could be utilized, then we would all have the same amount of starting chips, and no huge reserves to fall back on.


Maybe, since fencer is going to reset everyone anyway, maybe he could simply give some people a big stack of chips so we could play a few higher no limit games and such.... I want to play, but like you said, I have too much money and its no fun for me to just play to lose on purpose either

Czuch: Ive been in and out over the last couple days...and no one playing:(....surely the "newness hasnt worn off already........but then you don't help either Czuch........you get on a no limit table and bet the little fella out of existance....we dont get a chance to play on a no limit table when you are around....

hard to work out the bugs with not much action..... more often than not I see nobody playing, and even then its one table with a few low limit people, even Mr coan.net seems to be laying low these days?

Very well, the "5 top cards" rule is enforced now, regarding flushes and kickers.

Czuch: Yes. But the plans must be synchronized with other plans, it is not just about tournaments.

I think you might find that people enjoy a tournament format, I would suggest that before pot limit games, any plans in that direction fencer?

nodnarbo: yes, thats all good, and thats how it should be

Czuch: It can be player enforced to a certain extent, but you have to keep in mind that the max is only a max buy-in and a player may go over that amount after winning without any consequences.

coan.net: You know BBW, since you created the poker tables, you can easily go back in and add an upper limit in the description for each table, it doesnt actually have to be coded, it can be player enforced.


Something like;

min $1000 max $2000

min $1000 max $5000

min $5000 max $10000

min $10000 max $20000

Min $50000 max $100000

Fencer: thanks

ellieoop: If the card in hand is high enough :) If the board is AQJ97 and one player has 54 and another player 62 ( all of the cards same suite) the pot will be split. Only 8, 10 or K of that suite would improve on the flush already on the table.

Czuch: yes, that's the way itfor best hands,i and if a flush is on the table, person with the next highest flush card in their hand wins.

Fencer: It sounds correct to me as well.... just remember... flushes go through all 5 cards too.

coan.net: Yes thats exactly how it works. Every player makes best possible 5 card hand out of the 7 cards available to them. It does not matter if the cards are your private hole card or community cards on table.

For example, player A has A2 and player B AJ

Cards on board AK495 -> B wins, Both have pair of aces and King, J decides for B

If board cards are A8992 -> B wins again, both have pairs of aces and nines, and fifth card is J vs. 8. The pair of deuces does not help playerA at all. There's no such thing as three pairs :)

AQ299 -> split pot, both have same best hand, AA99Q. Deuces do not help A this time either.

Of course the examples assume theres no flushes.

"Error, unable to play a sound"

has the sound still got bugs?

coan.net: Well that is how we play our local league

Fencer: Well i hope someone can back me up on it. (since I'm pretty sure, but I know I'm not an expert card player and could be missing something)

That is how I have always played - the cards of the table of "shared". So using those 5 cards, and the 2 in my hand - you make the best 5 card hand. (and each other player does the same)

Best 5 card hand wins. So if you have a pair, you take the pair & the next 3 highest cards and ignore the other 2 to make the best 5 card hand........I've never worried about what it was called (kicker and such).

Summertop: Later. I will not forget.

coan.net: If you are sure about it, it will be implemented this way.

Need a all in button on the no limit games

Fencer: I agree that playability is more important than pretty graphics. I'm just giving my impressions, suggestions, and ideas. I won't be offended or leave Brainking over them. For the price, this is a great site with or without the Poker tables.

As for a more lengthy response, I would love to see it. But don't stress it. I know how much time running a site like this can take.

Fencer: It would be the best 5 cards.

If two players "tie" with the same top 2 cards, then the 3rd card is looked at. (for example, both of a pair of Kings - if one has a queen high, the other a 10 - queen high wins.

If two players "tie" with the same top 3 cards, then it looks at the forth.

If two players "tie" with the same top 4 cards, then it looks at the fifth.

If two players "tie" with all 5 cards - then it is tied (as I understand it, you should look no further then the top 5 cards)

I think throwing the word "kicker" in there is just confusing. Out of the 7 cards (5 on the table, 2 in the hand) - BEST 5 cards out of those 7. Only those 5 cards each person makes a hand out of counts.

Simple as that - best 5 card hand.

emelin: Thank you, it's clear now. And what happens if two players share the same pair (as the winning combination) and the same kicker as well? Would the second and third kicker card come to a consideration?

Czuch: It works for limit games. There is no limit at no limit ones, of course.

thanks rod