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21. 十二月 2009, 15:42:11
dama_master 
题目: Turkish checkers tournement
Hi All,
Let's arrange for a death matches of Turkish checkers tournments and play till the end.

waitinf for your replies.
better that world class players to participate only.

cheers

21. 十二月 2009, 07:46:26
DeaD man WalkiN 
题目: OPS forgot to post the winners of this tourney WTG all
* Dice Chess (4 - finished - Varazslo)
* Dice Chess 10x10 (4 - finished -Varazslo)
* Backgammon (4 - finished - Zapara)
* Nackgammon (4 - finished - Varazslo)
* Backgammon Race (4 - finished - DeaD man WalkiN)
* Crowded Backgammon (4 - finished - Varazslo)
* Hyper Backgammon (4 - finished - FrancescoLR)
* Battleboats Plus (4 - finished - FrancescoLR)
* Dark Battleboats (4 - finished - FrancescoLR)
* Ludo (4 - finished - Zapara)
* Triple Dice Poker (4 - finished - Varazslo)
* Frog Finder (4 - finished - aaru)
* Logik (4 - finished - aaru)

TheDeaDMan'sGaMeS

20. 十二月 2009, 14:56:22
DeaD man WalkiN 
题目: will start prize if can fill be for start date
# Frog Legs (need-2 more)please

JaN, 8Th = ElViS's B-dAy StArT @ 4:30

IF WE CAN GET LAST 2 WILL START TOURNEY NOW!!!

20. 十二月 2009, 14:16:51
Chaos 
The Espionage League wants to encourage players at BrainKing to learn the beautiful game of espionage. Especially for those of you who have never played the game or are in the beginner's stage we've created the




Only beginners (no rating or below 1500 in any of the espionage variants)  may join. Prizes:


#1 - 1 year rook + 9 months bonus!


#2 - 6 months rook


#3 - 6 months knight


Send me a message so I can invite you for the tournament. I only send invitations to beginners. The espionage league is willing to help you learn the game. Ask questions on strategy or a request for help on the espionage discussionboard.

19. 十二月 2009, 00:06:30
Papa Zoom 
Tournament: Happy Thanksgiving - Backgammon and Hyper (Hyper Backgammon)

Your tournament is finished.
Winner of the tournament: alilsassy

18. 十二月 2009, 21:58:02
aaru 
题目: 1900
Please sign up -> 1900 ;) (single elimination for 8 with immediately start)

18. 十二月 2009, 09:04:38
DeaD man WalkiN 
题目: WTG to all winners
DeaD man WalkiN修改(18. 十二月 2009, 09:05:20)
* Dice Chess (FrancescoLR)
* Dice Chess 10x10 (Artful Dodger)
* Backgammon (Bwild)
* Nackgammon (DeaD man WalkiN)
* Backgammon Race (FrancescoLR)
* Crowded Backgammon (Doris)
* Hyper Backgammon ( Brian1971)
* Battleboats Plus ( Kiwiyeti)
* Dark Battleboats (Brian1971)
* Ludo (Brian1971)
* Frog Finder (Brian1971)
* Logik (DeaD man WalkiN)
* Frog Legs (DeaD man WalkiN)

DeaD Man's GaMeS 13 games fast start first 4

17. 十二月 2009, 02:22:36
Papa Zoom 
Tournament: These are a few of my favorite games. ;) (Behemoth Chess)

Your tournament is finished.
Winner of the tournament: Varazslo



16. 十二月 2009, 14:56:09
Dreda 
thanks! Tournament= lol! yes! fencer !

16. 十二月 2009, 12:31:18
furbster 
题目: Few days left
to enter this tournament!

Hypergammon blast!

6 months brain rook membership to the winner. Good Luck!

15. 十二月 2009, 22:02:50
aaru 
题目: 1900
Please sign up -> 1900 ;) (single elimination for 8 with immediately start)

15. 十二月 2009, 16:40:12
FilsdeTycho 
FilsdeTycho修改(15. 十二月 2009, 16:40:28)
I invite you to participate in tournament Ludo #7

15. 十二月 2009, 14:45:15
hoky 
Turnaments about brains:

entrance only 5 brains

Jak na noví rok tak po celí rok

15. 十二月 2009, 03:50:51
Papa Zoom 
题目: Posting this for ellieoop :)
ellieoop (Ludo)

needs one more player too 

7 days standard vacation

14. 十二月 2009, 17:39:36
Karol G. 
Some kinda fun #2 - fast backgammon with cube. It will start December 15th.

-Kg

14. 十二月 2009, 14:49:44
DeaD man WalkiN 
# Frog Legs (need-2 more)please

JaN, 8Th = ElViS's B-dAy StArT @ 4:30

IF WE CAN GET LAST 2 WILL START TOURNEY NOW!!!

14. 十二月 2009, 13:14:41
Mousetrap 
题目: Reminder to all genuin pawns(prize tourny)
Mousey,s Pawns only Christmas Prize Tourny

And to the person who is making up nicks just to enter this. Dont bother. You will be removed.

14. 十二月 2009, 05:08:27
Papa Zoom 
Tournament: These are a few of my favorite games. ;) (Massacre Chess)

Your tournament is finished.
Winner of the tournament: Artful Dodger, Varazslo, Doris

13. 十二月 2009, 22:25:48
Chaos 
题目: Espionage - The Way to earn Big Prizes!
The Espionage League wants to encourage players at BrainKing to learn the beautiful game of espionage. Especially for those of you who have never played the game or are in the beginner's stage we've created the

 


 

Only beginners (no rating or below 1500 in any of the espionage variants)  may join.

Prizes:

#1 - 1 year rook + 9 months bonus!

#2 - 6 months rook

#3 - 6 months knight

 

Send me a message so I can invite you for the tournament. I only send invitations to beginners. The espionage league is willing to help you learn the game. Ask questions on strategy or make a request for a mentor on the espionage discussionboard.

 

 

13. 十二月 2009, 19:44:50
Dreda 
yess (monstous regiment)

13. 十二月 2009, 15:06:32
TC 
题目: Open Invite: Top 10% Faster Backgammoners for 2009-12
Hi, to 'The Best and The Fast Backgammon Players',

This is an opportunity, check your weight against to other best and fast backgammon players if you inside the top 10% any type of Backgammon Games.

Don't be afraid of endless games and tournaments! If you don't like to join to the Backammon Tournaments without end (related with the move time of the tournament or players), our games finish before the next month tournament generally.

We choosed publicly announce this Traditional but popular Tournaments here, in the tournaments discussion and some fellowship groups to all the best and fast players who are inside the top 10% of any type Backgammon Games.

Inside the top 10% any type Backgammon player (Back, Nack, Crowded, Race, Hyper, Anti, Cloning Backgammon, Grasshopper, Plakoto, Fevga), is eligible to join to all other games in this Tournaments before the begin time. October 26th, 2009).

To check where you are in the ratings click to the related links:

Backgammon, Nackgammon, Anti Backgammon, Backgammon Race, Crowded Backgammon, Hyper Backgammon, Cloning Backgammon, Grasshopper, Plakoto, Fevga

Others, outside of top 10% players, will be deleted before the tournaments begin without excuse...

Match type: 3 points match with doubling cube
Tournament type: one match for each two players
Maximum number of players per section: 20
Final match type for two players section: 5 points match with doubling cube
Time control: Time: 4 days, Bonus: 4 hours, Limit: 10 days, no days off (red signed)

(That means after beginning you have 4 days (96 hours) for your first move. Per your another move, you'll have 4 hours bonus for your other move time. 10 days is limit time for the opponents, after the move of other side.)

Please click to the Tournament addresse and 'feel free to join to any type of Gammon Games'. You are eligible to join, to all Gammon games without restriction, only if you inside of top 10% in any Gammon Games';(for now we have only ten types of Gammon games).

Here are the tournament winners of 'Top 10% Faster Backgammoners' from the beginning of 2006 to December 13th, 2009 - (alphabetical orders)
********************************************************
aaru: (28), afella: (2), alanback: (1), aledates: (1), AlliumCepa: (4), Anencephal: (1), bazari: (3), Carl: (1), chessik: (6), CryingLoser: (1), DeaD man WalkiN: (1), dresali: (1), ennukene00: (2), FOTBALISTA: (3), gambler104: (7), gfeisty1: (1), Gammonator: (1), grenv: (3), Hannelore: (47), Harassed: (2), Helena: (1), imsoaddicted: (1), Jopie: (4), Kardinal: (2), Konrad: (1), LADIESMANINNY32: (1), ljubisa popovic: (2), Marfitalu: (1), Mary Jo: (2), Mirda: (1), masino: (2), MsDelete: (1), mukali: (1), nobody25: (1), Pason69: (2), pedrored: (5), Petromil: (2), qusar: (6), Resher: (19), Rex Nihilo: (2), rod03801: (1), skipinnz: (5), Snaky: (1), Snoopy: (1), Somelaughs2: (1), Sveno: (1), swelle: (2), TC: (78), Tutagil: (12), UzzyLady: (1), vic: (3), Vikings: (16), WakeUpPeople: (2), Zach: (1),
********************************************************
Here are the tournament winners of 'Top 10% Faster Backgammoners' from the beginning of 2006 to December 13th, 2009 - (counts of tournaments winner)
********************************************************
78 times TC,
47 times Hannelore,
28 times aaru,
19 times Resher,
16 times Vikings,
13 times Tutagil,
9 times gambler104,
6 times chessik, qusar,
5 times pedrored, skipinnz,
4 times AlliumCepa, Jopie,
3 times bazari, FOTBALISTA, grenv, vic,
2 times afella, ennukene00, Harassed, Kardinal, ljubisa popovic, Mary Jo, masino, Pason69, Petromil, Rex Nihilo, swelle, WakeUpPeople,
1 time alanback, aledates, Anencephal, Carl, CryingLoser, dresali, gfeisty1, Gammonator, Helena, imsoaddicted, Konrad, LADIESMANINNY32, Marfitalu, Mirda, MsDelete, mukali, nobody25, rod03801, Snaky, Snoopy, Somelaughs2, Sveno, UzzyLady, Zach,

2009 December : Top 10% - Faster Backgammoners 2009-12

With your join to this Tournament, hope to play good matches and enjoy!

*********************************************

If you interested who were the best and fast in the previous Gammon Tournaments, please click to following addresse:

2009-11, 2009-10, 2009-09, 2009-08, 2009-07, 2009-06, 2009-05, 2009-04, 2009-03, 2009-02, 2009-01,

2008-12, 2008-11, 2008-10, 2008-09, 2008-08, 2008-07, 2008-06, 2008-05, 2008-04, 2008-03, 2008-02,

2007-12, 2007-11, 2007-10, 2007-09, 2007-08, 2007-07, 2007-06, 2007-05, 2007-04, 2007-03, 2007-02, 2007-01,

2006-12, 2006-11, 2006-10, 2006-09, 2006-07, 2006-06, 2006-05, 2006-04, 2006-03, 2006-02, (Invited)

Thank you!

P/S: Don't forget to click to: 2009 December : Top 10% - Faster Backgammoners 2009-12
**************************************************************

13. 十二月 2009, 00:05:19
DeaD man WalkiN 
# Frog Legs (need-3 more)please

JaN, 8Th = ElViS's B-dAy StArT @ 4:30

IF WE CAN GET LAST 3 WILL START TOURNEY NOW!!!

12. 十二月 2009, 21:47:03
ellieoop 
题目: Ludo
starting by dec. 16th. standard game. have fun.

11. 十二月 2009, 08:45:20
aaru 
题目: CONGRATULATIONS
WINNERS in 11000 :D



14 - Borowitz
12 - aaru
4 - Retep
4 - Undertaker.
3 - FrancescoLR
3 - Gammonator
3 - Resher
3 - WakeUpPeople
2 - crayzeejim
2 - Darles Chickens
2 - DeaD man WalkiN
2 - Hannelore
2 - MrWCF
2 - Pason69
2 - Pedro Martinez
2 - sacha
2 - Zapara
1 - Beaupol
1 - berusik
1 - Carl
1 - carlosx1111
1 - cd power
1 - Codypup
1 - Fitzmertz
1 - Jannssen
1 - jim333
1 - Jozso
1 - Mysterio619
1 - ocnibulva
1 - PCfromKNM
1 - schoffi
1 - spirit_66
1 - TC
1 - turnberry1
1 - ughaibu
__
82


***


TOURNAMENT WINNERS after 500 ;), 5000 :D, 600 ;) & 600 ;) ;), 6000 :D, 700 ;) & 700 ;) ;), 800 ;), 900 ;), 7000 :D, 1000 ;), 1100 ;), 8000 :D, 1200 ;), 9000 :D, 1300 ;), 1400 ;), 1500 ;), 10000 :D, 11000 :D, 1600 ;), 1700 ;), 12000 :D, 13000 :D

171 - aaru,
119 - Borowitz,
85 - dein,
55 - FrancescoLR,
33 - Retep,
32 - Resher,
21 - schoffi,
19 - Beaupol,
17 - saeco, Snoopy vel Imsoaddicted vel TheCrazyPuppy,
16 - Varazslo,
14 - basplund, Ugo, Zurab,
13 - Pason69,
12 - Shredermann,
11 - MadMonkey, Zach,
10 - Ronin,
8 - crayzeejim, Hannelore, turnberry1,
7 - balvan99, Carl, Undertaker., Zapara,
6 - cd power, DeaD man WalkiN, Pioneer54,
5 - c.marti, Fitzmertz, fretka, Gammonator, goldenboy1955, japajka, PCfromKNM, WakeUpPeople,
4 - afella, berusik, Brady, Darles Chickens, Labbeda, mellon, okjb, rabbitoid, sacha, sitnalta, Svet-LAN-a, tenuki, vacgo, Victoria,
3 - BsyB, FOTBALISTA, Gror, jim333, kid_game_2001, Marshmud, s3v3n, SL-Bosse, TheBlackKnight, Tutagil,
2 - Anatole, Babe68, beach, Bratr, carlosx1111, Chaosu, Codypup, dalkelly, Egzot, jk47, John Toomey, Kardinal, Karol G. vel Fayn, Kellys, Mousetrap, MrWCF, ocinbulva, pauloaguia, Pedro Martinez, PerGioco, spirit_66, srnity, tarcellius, tonyh, ughaibu, under review, Vocilka, Yoshie vel Yookie,
1 - ♥♫βaβyĢіґŁŁє♫♥, BlueJ, Brf, bzial, Carlos Queiros, Clandestine 1, colinmcbride, Crasto, david upshaw, diogenysos, dobrychemik, Evásek vel Paris Hilton♥, Gabriel Almeida, gogul, Gothmag, greenj, hazeleyes05, Helena, Hellion, hopsak, James T. Kirk, janka, Jannssen, Jozso, kierownik, Kacper, Key McKinnis, kleineme, ladyhawke, lunedith, macour, Mysterio619, oliottavio, PRIMETIME, pysso, redfrog, R.A.D.Y., Roberto Silva, rydd, sarok, ScarletRose, Seravajan, Shaffyre, Smiles4ever, spavacz, Stingette, TC, UzzyLady, vanesa3, Wallace, Walter Montego, wasa, Waterfall, yoss, zaze
___
992


alphabetical order:

A: aaru - 171, afella - 4, Anatole - 2,
B: Babe68 - 2, ♥♫βaβyĢіґŁŁє♫♥ - 1, balvan99 - 7, basplund - 14, beach - 2, Beaupol - 19, berusik - 4, BlueJ - 1, Borowitz - 119, Brady - 4, Bratr - 2, Brf - 1, BsyB - 3, bzial - 1,
C: Carl - 7, Carlos Queiros - 1, carlosx1111 - 2, cd power - 6, Chaos - 1, Chaosu - 2, Clandestine 1 - 1, c.marti - 5, Codypup - 2, colinmcbride - 1, Crasto - 1, crayzeejim - 8,
D: dalkelly - 2, Darles Chickens - 4, david upshaw - 1, DeaD man WalkiN - 6, dein - 85, diogenysos - 1, dobrychemik - 1,
E: Egzot - 2, Evásek vel Paris Hilton♥ - 1,
F: Fitzmertz - 5, FOTBALISTA - 3, FrancescoLR - 55, fretka - 5,
G: Gabriel Almeida - 1, Gammonator - 5, gogul - 1, goldenboy1955 - 5, Gothmag - 1, greenj - 1, Gror - 3,
H: Hannelore - 8, hazeleyes05 - 1, Helena - 1, Hellion - 1, hopsak - 1,
J: James T. Kirk - 1, janka - 1, Jannssen - 1, japajka - 5, jim333 - 3, jk47 - 2, John Toomey - 2, Jozso - 1,
K: Kacper - 1, Kardinal - 2, Karol G. vel Fayn - 2, Kellys - 2, Key McKinnis - 1, kid_game_2001 - 3, kierownik - 1, kleineme - 1,
L: Labbeda - 4, ladyhawke - 1, lunedith - 1,
M: macour - 1, MadMonkey - 11, Marshmud - 3, mellon - 4, Mousetrap - 2, MrWCF - 2, Mysterio619 - 1,
O: ocinbulva - 2, okjb - 4, oliottavio - 1,
P: Pason69 - 13, pauloaguia - 2, PCfromKNM - 5, Pedro Martinez - 2, PerGioco - 2, Pioneer54 - 6, PRIMETIME - 1, pysso - 1,
R: rabbitoid - 4, R.A.D.Y. - 1, redfrog - 1, Resher - 32, Retep - 33, Roberto Silva - 1, Ronin - 10, rydd - 1,
S: s3v3n - 3, sacha - 4, sarok - 1, saeco - 17, ScarletRose - 1, schoffi - 21, Seravajan - 1, Shaffyre - 1, Shredermann - 12, sitnalta - 4, SL-Bosse - 3, Smiles4ever - 1, Snoopy vel Imsoaddicted vel TheCrazyPuppy - 17, spavacz - 1, spirit_66 - 2, srnity - 2, Stingette - 1, Svet-LAN-a - 4,
T: tarcellius - 2, TC - 1, tenuki - 4, TheBlackKnight - 3, tonyh - 2, turnberry1 - 8, Tutagil - 3,
U: ughaibu - 2, Ugo - 14, Undertaker. - 7, under review - 2, UzzyLady - 1,
V: vacgo - 4, vanesa3 - 1, Varazslo - 16, Victoria - 4, Vocilka - 2,
W: WakeUpPeople - 5, Walter Montego - 1, Wallace - 1, wasa - 1, Waterfall - 1,
Y: Yoshie vel Yookie - 2, yoss - 1,
Z: Zach - 11, Zapara - 7, zaze - 1, Zurab - 14.

10. 十二月 2009, 18:42:58
DeaD man WalkiN 
题目: will start if can fill
# Frog Legs (need-4 more)please

JaN, 8Th = ElViS's B-dAy StArT @ 4:30

10. 十二月 2009, 16:29:57
playBunny 
题目: Fast Hypergammon 2010

10. 十二月 2009, 16:29:31
playBunny 
题目: Fast Ludo 2010

8. 十二月 2009, 18:18:12
FilsdeTycho 
FilsdeTycho修改(8. 十二月 2009, 20:03:58)
I invite you to participate in tournaments Backgammon #3

7. 十二月 2009, 13:05:43
furbster 
题目: Hyper prize tourney
Good luck, i chose a game i believe everybody has a chance to win in

Hypergammon blast!

6 months rook to the winner!

7. 十二月 2009, 03:21:11
Papa Zoom 
Tournament: (7. November 2009, 19:40:00) (Hyper Backgammon)

Your tournament is finished.
Winner of the tournament: alilsassy


6. 十二月 2009, 10:16:13
Dreda 
Will you provide a prize for the tournament that you've created?

5. 十二月 2009, 16:36:31
Mousetrap 

5. 十二月 2009, 14:41:42
emelin 

5. 十二月 2009, 07:22:32
talen314 
题目: Re: Brainking Sponsered Tournaments


coan.net:

The icons might vary depending on the type of game won or the cup image could include the icon.   There could be a different icon for each group of games.

Achievements related to Brainking-wide tournaments could be added.

Talen314


5. 十二月 2009, 04:49:23
coan.net 
题目: Re: Brainking Sponsered Tournaments
talen314: I like that idea. To build on it a little:

Maybe starting in January 2010 - have a tournament of 1 game time (Backgammon, most popular) - then each month start a new one of the next most popular game. (so by October we will be through the top 10 games.)

I would like to see a simi-shorter time limit of maybe 2 days, 12 hours - but with standard vacations. (Maybe just a standard 3 days?)

I would also like to see the games not count towards a users game/tournament limit, so it would be open to ALL pawns & knights no matter if they have "free" game slots.

And like you mention, don't even really have to offer a prize, but maybe a special icon or something, like a "brainking cup" like you mentioned.

Any other ideas or suggestions?

5. 十二月 2009, 01:56:25
Evásek 

5. 十二月 2009, 01:15:51
talen314 
题目: Brainking Sponsered Tournaments

Hi,

I would like to see Brainking Championships, at least for the most played games, sponsored by Brainking itself which might attract more widespread entry by players.  Perhaps a "Brainking Cup" icon or something similar could be made that would appear on the players page attesting to the player's victory in a championship tournament.

Talen314


4. 十二月 2009, 09:02:45
aaru 
题目: 1900
Come on!

Please sign up -> 1900 ;) (single elimination for 8 with immediately start)

4. 十二月 2009, 00:23:59
MadMonkey 
题目: Re: Ties in final round of single elimination
troydaniels: From what i can see the Tournament is a Single Elimination, so only ONE game will be played win, lose or draw. In the event of a draw the player with the lower BKR is classed as the winner

3. 十二月 2009, 23:42:19
troydaniels 
题目: Ties in final round of single elimination
I just finished a single elimination tournament (http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=510738), where the game in the final round was a tie. I received a message saying that I finished second and looking at the tournament page, the other player is listed as a the winner. Is there some reason that we didn't both win or play a second game?

I'm pretty sure the tournament was a fellowship tournament, so the link might not work for everyone.

3. 十二月 2009, 03:15:45
Universal Eyes 

3. 十二月 2009, 03:05:06
♥♫βaβyĢіґŁŁє♫♥ 

2. 十二月 2009, 21:17:05
Chaos 
题目: Espionage Beginner's tournament with prizes
For those who are new to the beautiful game of espionage we have created an

 


 

big prizes to win!

#1 - 1year rook + 9 months bonus

#2 - 6 months rook

#3 - 6 months knight

If you're a beginner and want to sign up, send me a message and do visit the espionage discussionboard to ask for someone to tutor you.

2. 十二月 2009, 21:04:34
Chaos 
题目: Re: Prize tournament
coan.net: Thx, I already figured it out and provided for the prizes :)

2. 十二月 2009, 16:37:04
coan.net 
题目: Re: Prize tournament
Chaos: Well I haven't done that for awhile (SO PLEASE - Anyone feel free to correct me.)

But I believe in the process of paying for the membership, there was an option to do it automaticly or manually (manually is where Fencer would look at it and apply it.)

If you do it manually & then in the notes of the membership let it be known what your wishes are (AKA: Prize for this tournament: XXXXXXXX with link or tournament #), then Fencer can process the payment manually and apply it towards the tournament.

Again, maybe there is a different way? It's been awhile, and the last time I purchased something was using PayPal - not sure if the new methods are different or not.

2. 十二月 2009, 14:07:59
Chaos 
题目: Prize tournament
Hi all, I am creating a prize tournament (no entrance fee), and it says <span>The prize for this tournament has not been provided yet. It won't be started.</font> 
How can I do this? If I go to paid membership I can only pay for a membership for myself.

2. 十二月 2009, 04:55:12
turnberry1 
题目: Frenetic paces and so forth...
With the holiday season and all its rapid pace, I just want to take a little time and wish all good luck and good Pente. Brf, I'm trying to set aside some time to get down to Oregon and would love to meet you and try some homebrew and a little real board gaming.

1. 十二月 2009, 18:05:02
"GERRY" 
题目: 2010 Tournament
OPEN TO ALL COUNTRY'S CHAMPIONSHIP 2010

LETS SEE WHO THE BEST PLAYERS ARE

Enter in as many games as you like Good Luck to all that do

Enjoy & Have Fun

As Old Red always said GOD BLESS

1. 十二月 2009, 07:29:17
aaru 
题目: 1900
Please sign up -> 1900 ;) (single elimination for 8 with immediately start)

1. 十二月 2009, 04:20:28
Babe68 
题目: Re: 1 more player needed to start!!!
Babe68修改(1. 十二月 2009, 04:22:30)
♥♫βaβyĢіґŁŁє♫♥:

Hi BabyGirlle! Thanks for the reply.... i did go to edit, the only thing that lets me edit is the tourney description. Start immediately option is no where to be found.

Whats more strange is, those 2 tourneys were create at the very same time with the "start immediately when max is reached". I can't figure out why the first one started properly but not the second! Its not like i created them at 2 separate times....

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