Dmitri and Kevin: IYT`s version of go-moku (13x13 board and 2nd player wins in case of a draw) are NOT real go-moku rules.

15x15 is the real size and a draw is a draw.

Having said that I must add that those changes do make the game better and even somewhat suitable for advanced players. They do that by taking away some of the 1st player`s advantage. Most importantly they make it impossible to use some of the sure win combinations.

But the 1st player`s advantage is still very big even with those rules.

PRO-gomoku has the same 2nd move restriction as Pente. That restriction evens up the game much more than those IYT rules. I remember Gary Barnes saying that in Pente (with the restriction) 1st player still wins in about 80% (?) of the games between good players. The similar is true with pro-gomoku. This is in great contrast to sure win (on a 15x15 board).

So that restriction is very important in go-moku too. Probably even more important than in Pente (I have never heard of Pente being a SURE win without the restriction (?) ).

So it really is pro-gomoku that we need to have here...and Fencer already has it on his TODO list.

And I hope Renju is there also. (?)

good opints, I forgto about those. 5inline should be replaced by Go-moku, because 5inline is really just a fake version of gomoku.

There's actually 2 other differences as well.
1. In go-moku, over lines (6 or more) do not count. In Five in Line here they do count.
2. In go-moku, it is a win for player 2 when the board fills up. Here it is a draw. (Although the board filling up is very rare anyways).

Wolf, what difference does it make where the stones are placed? It is the same game. The only difference is the board size.

<Here I see Pente and Keryo-pente but I don't see Go-Moku!!

Five in Line is different then Go-Moku...very different because....
on Five in Line you place your pieace in the square grid which is not---> go moku. Go-Moku pieace is on the grid line like the game Pente and Keryo-Pente. So we have pente and keryo....where's the go-moku???? Five in Line is ok but it's not the classic(go-moku). Let me know when you are adding this Go-Moku on your Features' List. :o)

Everything is written down :-)

some of the games on mindsports.net look interesting, such as havannah or congo. Some of the explanations of the rules are terrible though. I tihnk it would be interesting to have congo and havannah here on this site.

Fencer, have you considered putting on grandchess? It is similar to gothic, which is already here, but IMO better than gothic. Rules and details can be obtained at mindsports.net

i would like to hide everything on the bottom and top (using rows)

also... opponents turn placed on another page or hidden... just a simple wish :-)

I dont know if anyone has said this or even if its worth while but in my opinion it would be easier.

In the message box when you view a message… theres the option to delete it or reply… any way of making a next or previous link also? Or even have it go to the next new?

Just a suggestion.

Dmitri: Right :-)
Big Bad Wolf: About logging out, the problem is that this process requires the database access to store the logout event. But I can add a possibility to logout from "upgrade" page by a simple "delete the login cookie" script. Added to my TODO list. About Favourite Boards and Fellowships, would it help if I add an option to hide these lists from the right column?

hmm, I think they were talking about chinese chess, but I might be mistaken.

First: I play games from a fast public computer part of the day - which I always Logout before I leave the computer. Earlier today when I got ready to leave, I ran into a problem - the site was temporarly down for an "upgrade". So that left me with 2 things I could do: (1) wait for who knows how long until the site comes back up so I can "logout" or (2) leave myself logged in and hope no one gets in there and messes things up.

I'm not sure if it is possible, maybe something you (Fencer) can think about - but possible being able to logout while the site is down for upgrades? I was lucky that I had an extra 5 minutes to wait and logout, but sometimes I do not have the extra time to wait.

Second Suggestion:

I really like having a list of Favourite Boards and a list of the Fellowships that I belong to on my main page..... but I find it king of wasting space to have both the Fellowship & the Fellowship board listed. Would there be a way to "combine" the two - that is in the list of Fellowships thats on the right of my screen, put the (2 new) message there instead of having to place the board in my favourite just to find out there are new post there.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

Fencer: Chineese checkers is like halma except played on a 'jewish star' and has upto 6 players

Thank you Fencer

Rabbits2: Nope, it was caused by the database overload. Will be fixed soon.

zilch is a great game..tho better played with a few friends and few drinks into the wee hours i think :-)

Fencer how about a DB just for complaints of games goofing up!

I know about The webtv White Screen Bug but this is a new one for me I got the Dreaded Webtv White Screen Bug on my Anti Backgammon Game but after it came back it said Corner Checkers with the Anti Backgammon Board.

This is what I mean do I put this on The Backgammon DB or The Checkers DB?

this is one of my favorite games, but the only place to play online seems to be abalonegames.com,
any chance of adding this?

Harley, yes, it's great; just what the doctor ordered. Fencer is a superman! Possibly, THE Superman.

and this game too?? :-)

Hey Fencer... any chance of adding this game? :-)

Fencer, Blazinshore had an idea that he wished to be expressed on this board. This idea is to merge the Pente and Keryo pente message boards into one board. The two are so similar that one board shold suffice for the two games, and this would prevent the need to double post when there is a matter affecting both boards.

It was also suggested that the go moku board also be part of this merger, becasue of its similarities to pente.

It probably couldn't hurt, but still, I think the go-moku message board should remain separate, just because the play and strategy are so different.

--Dmitri

There seems to be a large repition of games listed in the "Waiting Games" section. Since it is now easier to create multiple instances of a single game (whether it be all the same color or of alternating colors), there seems to be a lot more games listed now.

My suggestion is to collapse similar games into a single line and specify how many of that type is available as the first column. For instance, we might see the following:

GAME EVENT OPPONENT COLOR TIME
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti white 7_days
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti black 7_days
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti white 7_days
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti black 7_days
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti black 7_days
Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti black 7_days

I propose that it should look like the following:

# GAME EVENT OPPONENT COLOR TIME
2 Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti white 7_days
4 Line4 Normal_game eddie_spaghetti black 7_days

In addition to that, when you click on one of those games and taken to the "Game Invitation" page, you should have an additional option that allows you to choose how many of the games of that type you would like to accept. So, if there were 4 games with the black color available, you should be able to choose whether you want to accept 1, 2, 3 or 4 of those games.

Thinking even further down the road, I guess when you are creating these games to begin with and you specify you want 10 games of that type created, you should have an option that says "[x] Allow people to accept more than 1 game at a time?" to prevent people from accepting more than one game if you want to play lots of people...

Anyways, just thinking about things... Maybe it is worth putting on your TODO list? I know you must have a lot there already :)

Zucan

As a general comment / suggestion - I would love to see more games here that is not found on ItsYourTurn (Other then Battleboats... I would love to see that here!)

But as I look at the features in development - I'm very interested in Jungle because 1) I never played it 2) I don't know what it is 3) I have not seen it on other sites.

One of the reasons I like Littlegolem.net is because they have a few games that are not on other sites - like DVONN, Hex, Word Game, and Twist.

So as a general request - I would love to see new and different games here. (plus Battleboats!) :-)

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

Thanks alot fencer, looking forward to it, but no rush. You already do so much and if you never added another game this site would still be tops.

I plan to add Chinese Chess. But first I have to 1) finish current tasks, 2) learn how to play it ;-)

Agreed Maxxina, I dont know how he does so much as it is, amazing really. My posting was more of an an inquiry as to whether chinese chess/xiangqi was in his plans, rather than asking him to create yet another game for us. If not, there are still a wide variety of games to enjoy on here, probably more than anywhere else, I think its great.

TTjazzberry : Everythink is about time , Fencer is doing everythink alone - i mean programing .
And his priority is now working on battleboats . Its me opinion :)

Seen the posting about chinese chess/xiangqi, any chance that game might be coming here? Hate to add to your list of requests but just curious as I used to like playing this. Thanks

Harley: I had in mind the model where you would see all topics, and when you choose one, you would see all the replies to the chosen topic.

The reason is that if you simply want to see the discussion on one subject, in the thread system it is easier to find all the relevant messages.

In the current system you must browse through many irrelevant messages, and this takes time that could be better used playing games:-)

Hey Tony, have you seen the tournament options on our profiles? Fencer does it again!! Nice one, that makes things loads easier.. I hadn't realised I've signed for so many tourneys that are yet to start!!

Frodo, I think the message boards here are fine, you know what they say.. "If its not broke, dont fix it"!!!

I didn't forget about that :-)

Just curious to see how far away implementing "Sabotage" and it's variants are to the site.. or do you have any clue..? :-))

Fencer might not like it because it's an easy way to start spamming people or start chain letters

I think that we should have threads

example:


Like that.

I'm saying that (Stupid realignment) a reply to a message goes under a message and tabbed.

I'm sure you all know what threads are

*I had to remove the example bexause it doesn't work*

goldtoken.com used to be slow untill they upgraded their server. I'm faced with a moral dilemma

No, lwmc, theres no way to do that yet. Its been suggested before and hopefully it wont be too long before we can send messages to multiple people, but for now its good old cut and paste!

i know some good players who might be helpful. should i have them contact you?

Is there a way to send a message to all of your friends that are online, in one message. Without having to send each and every one the same massage. For example there have been times when I had to leave for a little bit. And I try to be polite and let them know. And maybe give them an idea of when I'll be back.

Fencer I think your site is the best because it has the most games and it isn't slow poke like itsyourturn.

The message boards at DSG (www.pente.org) are like this also (the way they are on little golem.net as described by Big Bad Wolf). It works fairly well.

As for how the Discussion board is setup on IYT, I also do not like that much.

If I was to set up a discussion board, the only example on a game site that I can think of is LittleGolem.net - that is you see just see all the subjects - and how many replies are in the subject. Once you click on the message thread that you want to read - ALL messages in the thread are displayed. That way if you want to read about a certain topic, you can - and if you want to not read about a topic, you don't have to!

But again, I would rather see new games fixed then have the time spent on the discusion board.... this is a game site, not a chat site anyway... :-)

I would like to add Go but I still have problems with correct implementation. I need more time.

are there any plans to add go, or 13x13 go? a reason for asking is that a site that has a number of go players has a problem with miscoring games and you probably would attract a fair number of players.

I also prefer how the discussion boards are set up here.. I HATE the boards at IYT

Ok I see a lot of whining about top players not accepting games.
I would like to suggest a ladder system for members only, where players can challenge a higher rated player, subject to certain guidelines of course (ie. must be 5 day moves, may only challenge once per week). I have played in several different leagues at Cases leagues..www.igl.net, where top 20 ladder players must defend their position every week, (this may be to short a time for a dailymove site) they must also play a certain amount of games outside of the top 20 to retain their status, tournament games are included in these numbers. GT also offers something basic along these lines in its club format, where a lower rated player may challenge a higher rated, only 1 challenge per player is allowed at one time, it has its faults but could be the basis for a working ladder system here.
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It would be easy to set up a cases league for this site however it does mean accessing another site for stats and to enter losses which some people may find a pain in the butt.

threads take longer to read since you have to click to see each message

I guess its each to their own in this case BBW! I'm used to this type of board now, I guess you're more used to threads.
I just hope Fencer is never so short of things to do he has to change these boards! LOL! :o)

Battleboats have now big priority .
Biggest priority for fencer is sleeping :)