upwords love that too..but I bet hasbro wont allow it anywhere online

In the midst of all this turmoil, I have achieved an adjusted all-time high in my personal Nackgammon BKR (i.e., highest on my current BK ratings chart). This is not an all-time high in adjusted ratings, however, as nstre apparently rated 2036 after his first game (compared to my current 2033 after 375 games).

alanback: Hm upwords perhaps?

nobleheart: Just a totally unfair dig at furbster's spelling :-)

alanback: alan,can I ask,what was that about?I love scrabble?
this is a cool unique word game:
http://www.littlegolem.net/jsp/games/gamedetail.jsp?gtid=gwg

furbster: Shh i was in a rush when i typed that lol, my fingers move faster than my brain. WAIT! does my brain move? :-?

Absolutely last call for questions for REZA's interview! If you have any please send them me in the next 24 hours because I'll be putting all the questions togethe rtomorrow ready for sending to reza. If you have anything to ask him, don't miss out!

furbster: Hm, Scrabble variant perhaps? ;-)

Yeh more vairents of other games, would be cool, especially as i'm not much of a chess player hehe!

pauloaguia: That was a guess only.

Fencer: still 40 or more chess variants? I hope some other game variants show up before those 40, especially original variants.
Chess is starting to take over.

But at this rate, the 100 game barrier will be broken sometime early next year. Then my dream of being rated in all of them will finally be impossible, and I'll stop worrying about that

yUp

Gotta piccie?? LOL

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Hey Slammerz!

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wAs rEtRo.

sUbLiMe: ??? After only one day back?

sUbLiMe: Already?! ok, PM then!

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Doerdich: That's only in the first 25 games and it's a false impression given by the calculation of interim provisional ratings.

The established rating after the 25th game is effectively the sum of the 25 opponent's ratings plus 8 for each win and -8 for each loss. These 8s are the result of averaging the +/- 400 over 25 games.

Rather than wait until the 25th match has finished, the calculation keeps up a moving average. This can produce big swings from game to game but the gains and losses aren't "real" because the rating, within the first 25 matches, is not real either.

This message may be illustrative.

@matarilevich yes, you are right, K can have a greater value. But usually it is 10 or 15. But compared with the BKR: Here it is possible to lose about 100 points in game, too much I think.

Doerdich:
The formula Fide for variation of rating is:

NR = OR + (SG - SW) * K

NR is New Rating
OR is Old Rating
SG is Score Gotten
SW is Score Waited
K is a Constant

K can have three values :
K=25 when the player hasn´t finished 20 games
K=15 when the player has finished 20 games and his rating is lower than 2400
K=10 when the rating of player is upper than 2400

Score Waited is calculated with a list of percentage, but you can calculate approximately in this way :
SW ~= 0.5 + [(RP - RO) \ 800]
RP = Rating Player
RO = Rating Opponent

The highest value of [RP - RO] is 350 and the lowest is -350. If the different is higher than 350 or lower than -350 then we have [RP - RO] = (+-)350

All this means that the highest variation can be:
Rating Player = 2000
Rating Opponent = 1500
Different above to 350
Score Waited ~= 0.5 + [(2000 - 1500) / 800] =
= 0.5 + [500 / 800] =
= 0.5 + [350 / 800] =
= 0.5 + [0.4375] =
= 0.9375
If the player rated 2000 loses the game then
New Rating = 2000 + ( 0 - 0.9375 ) * K =
= 2000 - 0.9375 * K
With K=10 => New Rating is 2000 - 9.375 = 1990.625
With K=15 => New Rating is 2000 - 14.0625 =
1985.9375
With K=25 => New Rating is 2000 - 23.4375 = 1976.5625

The highest variation is (+-)23.4375 for players with rating lower than 2400 and no more of 20 games and for strong players is only (+-)9.375

sUp

Hi, I developed a New Chess Variant, I want to suggest (I call it "Capture-Chess"): There are the same pieces and the same board like in normal chess, but additionaly it is allowed to capture own pieces. If someone captures his own king, he cannot be checkmated. But then he has to checkmate the other in a maximum of 50 moves (this is of course variable, but I took 50 in analogy to the draw-rule of 50 moves), otherwise he is lost. If someone has already captured his own king, the opponent may not capture his own king.

Doerdich: There is a special board about chess variants, you can post the details there.

To 2): Could you also consider my idea? I also found some interestng others in the internet. Of course it is not necessary to realise them immediately but I just want to show them to you.
To 3)Fide Rating is more "fair" in my view. Here, no strong players will play vs. weaker rated players, because they simply lose to much points. Some low rated players even don't play so bad because they are maybe new to this site.

Doerdich: 2) Yes. About 40 or more. 3) I don't know, I never used FIDE rating formula.

Well, Fencer, I read that, but it doesn't give much information. Seems that there is a problem with the creator or something like that?!
What about question 2. and 3. ? ^^

Doerdich: Please read this.

Doerdich: Just hours before you posted it, two new chess games have been added to the site - bringing the total of chess variations to 25.

New questions:
1. Why has Gothic Chess been removed?
2. Will there be new chess variations in the future? I developed one by myself...
3. I think the BKR calculation should be more like e.g. FIDE-ratings. Here you can lose to much points in one game I think. In FIDE_Rating, the maximum you can win in one game are 12.5 points, the maximum you can lose of course are also 12.5 points.

Andre Faria: Thank you, now it is.

Fencer, the link for Los Alamos Chess is not the right one...

Hrqls: old BKR = 1859, new BKR = 1895 (+36)
alanback: old BKR = 2001, new BKR = 1980 (-21)
I have 390 counted games in Nackgammon -- still getting adjustments as high as 21 points

I still maintain the dice roller should be destroyed painfully

Obviously it is the method for establishing an initial rating that is the most absurd in backgammon. It probably is fine for games of pure skill, but makes no sense at all in backgammon where the worst player can beat the best player by pure luck. Even in a game of skill, it could be distortive if a highly rated player happened to lose for some reason other than being outplayed, e.g. by timing out. But in backgammon, distortion is almost guaranteed in a signficant percentage of cases.

I don´t know much about how works ratings here but it´s not very similiar to the system of the federation international of chess (Fide) based on the method of the mathematician Arpad Elo.

I think the rating initial (provisional but initial) in brainking is established after of the fist game finished using the rules of the system of US chess federation [http://www.sizes.com/sports/chess_ratings.htm]



This system works in this way
rating initial = rating opponent + {400(win), 0(draw), -400(lose)}

However Fide system is different :
rating initial = rating opponent + {12.5(win), 0(draw), -677(lose)}

The variation of rating in the second and next games works different too.

This system applied here favours to the players win his first game. If you win the first game against an opponent of 1900 then you will have 2300 as an initial rating and you can keep this rating playing against weak players

Pythagoras: It's a rest of a membership which was cancelled on player's request. A rare situation.

Yep, it can't be a discussion about your priorities on this site....Only wishes (not suggestions because that would mean automatically a discussion about your priorities) for things should be done.......

A question: In this tournament there is a prize of 5 months membership. How the creator managed to offer a prize that is not 6 or 12 months? I mean what is the price for 5 months he paid.........?

All right, all opinions are noted and considered. There is no point to continue in a discussion about my priorities, it would only lead to a new argument.

What i see, with all these discussions about BKR, i think you should rethink your priorities about new features and spend the most time in:
1)Improving the BKR-system of Backgammon and of other games......
2)Fixing the bug in Backgammon.....

This is my humble opinion and it's up to you of cource to decide, but by doing this you will satisfy a nice number of members......

pgt: Your opinion is noted.