One day I'll find even shorter answer :-)

LOL:)

No.

good point IMCK - there is probable no perfect way either way since it is currently flawed. If I had to pick between the "2" systems, I would pick the one with the flaw you pointed out since you know about that before you start the game.

But lets think about this a little more - maybe there would be a beter "middle ground". Possible calculate ratings with ratings when the game started, but with current game counts?

good point upchuck! give the man a cigar!! ;-)

One problem I see is that BKR is calculated in part based on how many games have been played. If I start a game with you which lasts a year, and you finish 50 other games during that time, it wouldnt be fair anymore for my bkr to be calculated like you have played only one game.

Lets say it is the first game of that type for both players when the game begins. You calculate what the bkr would be if the game ended as their only completed games, then be added/subtracted from whatever their BkR really is at the end of the game.

When a game start, P1 is player #1 rating. P2 is players #2's ratings.

After a month or whatever, the game ends. At that time I think the calculation of rating change should use the P1 & P2 value which was from the start of the game (not current).

So using the old P1 & old P2 ratings - a change for each player is calculated.

Then that change that was calculated should adjust the current rating.

thats where I see the confusion,Kevin...both players ratings would have to remain the same through the duration of that particuar game...if yo have 100 plus games...how could anyone keep up?

Kevin - what I think should happen - have the ratings change be calculated using the ratings that the game started with. So for example, lets say player 1 gained 10 point, player 2 loses 10 points.

I then think those changes in points should then be applied to the current ratings.

bwildman - I'm bring it up now to see what others think, and if it is a good idea and Fencer agrees - it might be something to look at before he does a the major recalculations. I believe most rating systems are currently based on over the table, live games. This being an on-line site, I believe how ratings are calculated should be adjusted for this time of games.

So p1.new and p2.old should be used to calculate p1's new rating, and p2.new and p1.old should be used to calculate p2's new rating?

Your rating should change based on what your opponents rating was at the begining of your game. Then be added (or subtracted) from what your rating currently is....

It would definitely not affect the graphs or history in any way. It would just change the way new ratings are calculated (very likely changing many ratings...)

so now Fencer just spent all this time,updateing and designing this graph....and you want to change it?

So BBW, just to clarify: Are you suggesting that the rating INCREASE (or decrease) should be calculated based on the ratings at the beginning?

Like for example: Before the game, player 1 has a rating of 2000, and at the end of the game it's dropped to 1000. If, based on the 2000 rating their rating should increase say to 2004, should their new rating after the game be 1004?

You could always not play with people without ratings or with established ratings only. Or play faster games. Besides, the bkr is over rated, and often misleading anyway, and it doesnt really matter, since the object is to have fun, isnt it?

I vote make it what ever it is when the game starts.

Just to bring back up the conversation about what ratings is best to calculate the rating (the rating when the game first started, or ended)

As an example, I just got a rating in Anti-Froglet of 1337 - that is with 6 wins, no loses! Why so low? because by the time the games ended, the other players ratings were all under 800.

I played those games with good rated players (well unrated - probable around the default 1300 mark), but because of how the system is set up - my rating was calculated with their very low ratings.

Anyway, I was taking a vote:

Do you think ratings should be calculated with the rating that the game started with.

Or do you think it should stay how it is now, calculated with the rating that is there when the game ended.

So far I believe I read 3 people who liked the idea of it being calculated with the starting rating value.

Nope, 25 is correct.

Thanks. That makes sense...
I thought it was 20 games for an established rating?

they are counted as played games on your total of games ,but not counted to get to the 25 for established rating .

Do unrated games count towards your game total when getting an established bkr?

nope. which is why i suggested it on feature requests board and seemed like ignored

is there any way you can tell on someones profile if they have auto-vacation enabled?

with this new silly auto vcacation feature elongating games due to the inconsiderate gits who are abusing the sodding thing

for god sake, move for so we can actually enjoy the fricking games

what pants? ;oÞ

BTW Bwild, looks like you not gonna get your answer from LJ tonight LOL

heheeee!!..neat!

how many lips are best?


1.fourlips
2.threelips
3.Tulips

L
MAO

4

like?
do you like yer pets..
1..yes
2..no
3..well cooked
4..other
;o)

Yes,let's have a poll...

I would like to see a vote on that LMAO

Fun polls are fun...;o))

Polls - I would love to see the Polls option used a lot more, even if it was for "fun" polls.

For example if Fencer could somehow put a user in charge of the Polls, i would take that job - try to put up a new "fun" poll a week, and also put up site polls when needed.

On a (maybe not so) unrelated subject:

What's the point of the polls link on the menu? Those poll results are there ever since I became a member (and I can only imagine how much more time before that). Maybe it should be hidden when there are no active polls (meaning one month after the last poll has closed, so people can still see the results for a while)?

I agree (I didn't 2 hours ago, but now that foul play has come to the table, I changed my mind). I also understand some other sites are changing their mind on this matter...

So, Fencer, how are the new ratings gonna be recalculated? We could be discussing this all night (or day) but you're still the only one who has the knife and the cheese in the hand (hope that doesn't get lost in translation)...

I agree bwild. Also I agree that ratings be calculated by the rating when the game starts.

maybe I'm wrong,wont be the first time....did you return the prize money you took for your Summerday account,LongJohn?...if so...I apologize,and wont bring it up again.

cheating people is childish.

let it go bwild
bringing that up is very childish

yes tedious...its terrible to drag up old memories of cheating good hearted members into paying for multi nic memberships...

I agree BBW 100%
You should know what you are getting into at the start of the game and it should be set then

Wouldnt the programming possibly be easier for that too? Set up a table that is created at the start of the game

it's hard to foget the past sometimes. When you do crappy things to others, don't always expect everyone to forgive and forget. :-(

BUT - lets get back to the idea:

Should ratings be calculated by the rating when the game starts, or the game is over?

My vote: With the rating when the game started.