Snoopy:

......"The second examination was carried out by Dr Nat Carey, one of Britain's most eminent forensic pathologists, on behalf of the IPCC.

Mr Tomlinson's family solicitor, Jules Carey, said: "The video footage of the unprovoked and vicious assault on Ian by the police officer would easily justify charges of assault being brought against the officer. The findings of Dr. Nat Carey significantly increase the likelihood that the officer will now face the more serious charge of manslaughter".

"The family have been aware of the findings of the second pathology report for a week and have had to endure the holding back of this information despite continuing reports in the press that Ian died of a heart attack.

"The IPCC opposed the disclosure of Dr Carey's findings until they satisfied themselves that it would not prejudice their investigation of the officer. It is of some comfort to the family that the record is now being put straight, but they hope that the IPCC investigation will be expedited and thorough, and that there will be a prompt referral to the CPS for charge."

Paul King, Mr Tomlinson's stepson, said: "First we were told that there had been no contact with the police, then we were told that he died of a heart attack; now we know that he was violently assaulted by a police officer and died from internal bleeding. As time goes on we hope that the full truth about how Ian died will be made known". "

Is that better...

(V): did i ask for examples NOPE I DIDN'T

Snoopy: No.. I'm using examples of people having opinions. You think the Iraq/Afghan wars are wrong... isn't that an opinion as the inquiries ain't over yet.

By your words.. that's wrong!!

(V): and it better if you stuck to the subject in hand instead of trying to be clever all the time bringing things up to twist it to suit yourself

(V): here we go again changing the subject to suit yourself
ITS POINTLESS trying to have a argument with you you either change the subject or you twist things round to suit yourself HAS PER NORMAL

Artful Dodger: Yawn Be better if you didn't C&P

Snoopy: ... So? that he's not been charged means nothing.

Like with the Iraq inquiry.. not over, but many including relatives of the soldiers have an opinion. Are you saying they are wrong to have an opinion? Wrong to think it was a bad war?

When the Nimrod's started blowing up.. relatives had an idea something was wrong, and since then the evidence has proven they were right to suspect a MOD mess up.

(V): key words in that sentence UNDER SUSPICION
funny how 9 months down the line he hasnt been charged
and dont try and be clever everyone in the UK who gets a newspaper read the same flaming news DOH!!!

still isnt concrete evidence is it DOH!!!

Snoopy: Maybe I read the paper reports that say the policeman involved has been questioned under suspicion of manslaughter.

My bad, I read the news!!

(V): you didnt answer my question has per normal

Btw.. it wasn't a heart attack...

It was according to the second examination...."abdominal haemorrhage"

(V): apart from the 1 min video what other evidence have you for such claims
NONE whats so ever

Snoopy: People do though.. It's part of human nature.

(V): and has i said on the first day when the inquiry has finished i make my mind up
i dont like ppl who speculate on something they really know nothing about

Snoopy: The police still do not have the right to attack people from behind. Most would consider that cowardly, or at least taking out one's tension on another party beside those winding you up.

I spoke to an police inspector at the time of that event and he said it was wrong.

Czuch: First time you've seen it!!

Manslaughter.. not murder.

Artful Dodger: I'm not being dishonest... I'm asking a question/making a statement based on your posts.

Get over it!!

Bernice: still all speculation

has ive said since DAY 1 until all the facts are known before making a judgement

Jules wasnt there on that day so how can he possible know all the facts
there are hundreds of questions that need answering and until they are
Jules can only speculate that said policeoffericer should be charged with manslaughter

Snoopy: (V) knows the true story....just ask him ROFLMBO

Artful Dodger: at last someone else sees what i see
2 sides to the story

until all the evidence is laid out before the public i dont see how anyone can say this police officer should be charged with anything
he was doing his job in a very heated situtation
there was alot of anger on both sides of the coin that day
and until we know what was said by both parties
how can we possible know who was in the wrong

Bernice: He is not banned on this board nor does he have any site restrictions that I can see.
I removed aprox. 25 post as I described below that I would

Subject: just a question to the MODS??

in the BIG post of Starsky there is the following:-

Messages per page:
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how can he post if he isnt allowed to and has been hidden by the Brainking.com administrator??


also the post has now disappeared....all we have to do is findout who is banned by the Brainking.com administrator and we will know who it is. me thinks the person concerned copy/pasted to the wrong account, and then realised they were banned and reposted it, but missed the bit about being banned.....just a theory.

If anybody has a problem with a post, the best way to handle it is to bring it up to me or another global moderator, and put the person who offends you on hide

Please keep the conversation on topic, do not get personal or flame, failure to do so will result in posts having to be approved for a while.

Also don't be upset if some messages dissapear, I think I need to clan it up a little, except for the ducky song of coarse

ok. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsjbEWKK8AU&feature=related

Pedro Martínez: hahahahahaha....oh that is too funny...

Artful Dodger: hot as hades here.......
wish it would rain, we have had no REAL rain since last May....everything is dead :(

Today is Monday isnt it or could it be Tuesday? in Australia anyway ROFLMBO

(V): Thanks for the link... thats the first time i have seen it, and it more than confirms what I was thinking... the guy was being obstinate, he was purposely obstructing their policing duties, maybe they could have simply wasted more time and effort, and arrested this guy, but they just wanted him to move along, as everyone else was doing.

It is also obvious that this shove in the back is not what killed him, as he got up and walked away on his own afterward... really? If you have contact with the police and end up having a heart attack later, its police murder???

The guy was far from "minding his own business"

btw, here in the US, we respect the police, and once you choose to ignore any command they give you, no matter what your personal feelings are about the command, you obay it, and when you dont, then anything that happens to you after this is all your own fault. You can always after the fact make some action if you think what they did was wrong, but if they tell you to get out of the way, for any reason, you take your hands out of your pockets and you move out of the way

These police will never be charged with murder, as you would have them

Artful Dodger: AT LAST.......somebody who agrees with me...............DISHONEST, a prevaricator of the truth, or a blatant liar.....which is it or is it all 3........

Artful Dodger: So in your area, the police can hit or assault anyone?

Glad I live in the UK then.

Artful Dodger: Art... look up Hungerford and Dunblane.. you are looking like you don't know what you are talking about TOTALLY!!!

Artful Dodger:

Witnesses said that, prior to the moment captured on video, he had already been hit with batons and thrown to the floor by police who blocked his route home.

One witness, Anna Branthwaite, a photographer, described how, in the minutes before the video was shot, she saw Tomlinson walking towards Cornhill Street.

"A riot police officer had already grabbed him and was pushing him," she said.

"It wasn't just pushing him – he'd rushed him. He went to the floor and he did actually roll. That was quite noticeable.

"It was the force of the impact. He bounced on the floor. It was a very forceful knocking down from behind. The officer hit him twice with a baton when he was lying on the floor.

"So it wasn't just that the officer had pushed him – it became an assault.

"And then the officer picked him up from the back, continued to walk or charge with him, and threw him.

"He was running and stumbling. He didn't turn and confront the officer or anything like that."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault

............ quite frankly I don't think you or Czuch have researched the incident properly, and before hand you did say the police were wrong.. why the change of heart?

Artful Dodger: You didn't see him being hit.... not very observant are you!!

Artful Dodger: No we cannot own guns in the UK. Only those who use them as a tool of the trade such as farmers and game keepers... you did know that didn't you?

... and it's a bit hard to hide a shotgun or rifle in your trouser pocket.

Artful Dodger: No he doesn't, but at the same time the justification for police violence has to be justified.

I hear no justification from you, just excuses. Is it in the USA that the police can get away with anything... I know the answer is no to that.

Artful Dodger: This is the UK.. not the USA, as a rule.. arms are a rarity.

Artful Dodger: If he is being violent.. ok. But otherwise.. as you say. Rubbish.

Starsky: "as bad as the cops in the US"

THAT'S messed up. A couple bad eggs does not define the group. What do YOU do for a living?. I'm sure we can make silly generalizations about that, as well.

(V): I read on the net that this guy was only going home to his family? sounds like the cops in the UK are getting as bad as the cops in the US that's messed up man *52*

Bernice:

(V): has the whole scene was very heated AND I SAY AGAIN WITHOUT ANY SOUND
WE DONT KNOW WHAT WAS SAID!!!!

in these trouble times they could well of thought he was a sudice bomber for all we know
so in that context they should take him out in whatever way possible

Czuch: ..... Doesn't excuse hitting and knocking the man down from behind. Even if they were arresting him.

.. if they were KGB or SS or part of some other dictator based militia, then fine. But we don't... do you? Your police still have rules don't they....Do you remember Rodney King?

Czuch: for gods sake.....don't encourage him, puhleese.

(V): How do you know from the video that the police didnt tell him that they were arresting him for obstructing justice, and then he still ignored them, and they were trying to subdue him for arrest?

Snoopy: Now no singing "I've got a combine harvester" now!!

(V): whatever
i dont have time to go back to each post that you posted
ive got a life to get on with and a farm that needs the crops harvesting

Snoopy: !!!!! I'm not twisting, I'm using metaphorical language (with humour) to state that I don't understand. I could go back through April but that was April.

If you want to twist that (serious) go on.. but it'd be much easier if you just either said "oh well.. it was April" .. or ... list what you are going on about back then rather than expect me to play 20 questions.

... saves alot of time!!

Snoopy: and has i said on many occasions and i say it again
you twist things round to suit yourself

and aint that the truth ROFL