Iamon lyme: lol I love that argument from the loony left. "You can't legislate morality" they like to say. But that's what we do with our laws. We legislate morality. duh

Can't tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body.

But the prisons are full of women who abused their bodies with drugs (and were jailed for using drugs on their bodies....)

You can't fix stupid and the Left has stupid down flat.

Artful Dodger: "....another woman told what to do with her body!"

I don't think that one counts. The judge is a woman, and it's only wrong if a man tells a woman what she can and cannot do. But then this begs the question, is it legal for a woman to tell a man what to do with his body?

When has ANYONE told a pregnant woman, "Why are you so excited about being pregnant with a parasite?" Only the pro-unborn-baby-killers use that word to describe the unborn.

Proof: Tell your now living child/children, "When you were in your mom's tummy you were just a worthless parasite and had she had you killed I wouldn't have given it a second thought. You only mean something to me now that you are born"

Likely a person that describes his/her unborn child as a parasite is a child abuser.

AP Online
02-17-2000
Judge Forbids Pregnancy for Woman

HELENA, Mont. (AP) -- A woman convicted of endangering her unborn child by taking drugs was ordered Wednesday not to get pregnant for ten years.

As part of her sentence, Dawn Marie Spinkle of Helena was instructed by District Judge Dorothy McCarter to take a pregnancy test every two months. If she tests positive, the judge said Sprinkle could be jailed.

``I don't want another damaged baby born because we didn't do enough to supervise that woman,'' the judge said. ``If she wants to drug herself to death, fine. But we can't have her taking drugs when she's pregnant.''

Woman convicted for killing fetus by using crack

CONWAY, S.C. (AP) — A woman was convicted Wednesday and sentenced to 12 years in prison for killing her unborn child by using crack cocaine during her pregnancy.

The verdict marks the first time a woman in the United States has been found guilty of homicide for taking drugs during pregnancy, an advocate for the defendant claimed.

The case also opens the door for prosecutors to charge women with neglect under other conditions, such as smoking during pregnancy, said Wyndi Anderson, executive director of the South Carolina Advocates for Pregnant Women.

A jury found Regina McKnight, 24, guilty after deliberating just 15 minutes. She could have faced a life sentence. McKnight's lawyers said they will appeal.

The state Supreme Court ruled in 1996 that a viable fetus is considered a child and mothers can be charged with abuse if they took drugs after their unborn child was able to live outside the womb.


Because you CAN'T do whatever you want with your body. And YES the State can tell you that. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot.

Übergeek 바둑이: Nixon was a great President , Romney doesn't have a clue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9LcAJOsFGg

I was watching TV the other day. Why does Mitt Romney remind me so much of Richard Nixon? I think I am going senile. Help!

Obama needs to take a more dignified approach this time... that rock star image routine has played itself out.

I'm seriously thinking of watching the convention this year. If they could get Clinton to complain about republicans not respecting women and Carter to speak on the economy, then I would definitely want to see that. It won't happen, but who knows? Stranger things have happened, and are happening, and will continue to happen.

Julian Castro

Can't wait to hear what Biden will say eight years from now.

Speakers at 2012 DNC:

Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren will speak on economic policy, followed by former president Bill Clinton, who will formally nominate Barack Obama.[18]

First Lady Michelle Obama will also address the convention, followed by keynote speaker Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio.[19]

Former President Jimmy Carter will address the gathering by videotape because he will not attend.[20]

It's like those who's argument regarding the OT eViL God bits is "I only read the NT and go by the teaching of Jesus"

Ok I say... Then you've just given up Genesis, and everything that supports Jesus is "Messiah".

Which is true.

The Col: There are always those who will 'adopt' a religion just to justify their own hates. N' certain bible passages do go on about how the righteous sin, and through ideology the 'good' become 'bad'.

(V): Not sure, but apparently he/she doesn't like people judging others, so I doubt there are many followers on this board

Iamon lyme: God has a way of drawing in those reluctant to His Grace.

I know one question that stumps every faith...

What religion is God?

And they say .. he has none.

Well, if he doesn't and we are made in his image. .... I am therefore I think.. some would say.

Artful Dodger: "Then one foggy Christmas Day, Jesus came to say....."

I like happy endings. The truth is my conversion was not a happy moment, but CS Lewis said the same thing about his. He said it was like a mouse searching for the cat. Apparently being a reluctant Christian is okay with God... that was a relief, because I thought that might be held against me.

It looks like Bill Clinton will not be the key note speaker at the convention this year. Apparently the Dems are serious about trying to win this election, so they want to repeat the success they had when they got Obama to do the keynote speech in 2004.

Good for them. I for one want to encourage them to milk this strategy for all it's worth.

Iamon lyme: "Then one foggy Christmas Day, Jesus came to say....."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-does-consciousness-arise

The Road to Awareness
But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care. And as it is so much easier to observe and interact with a preterm baby than with a fetus of the same gestational age in the womb, the fetus is often considered to be like a preterm baby, like an unborn newborn. But this notion disregards the unique uterine environment: suspended in a warm and dark cave, connected to the placenta that pumps blood, nutrients and hormones into its growing body and brain, the fetus is asleep.

Invasive experiments in rat and lamb pups and observational studies using ultrasound and electrical recordings in humans show that the third-trimester fetus is almost always in one of two sleep states. Called active and quiet sleep, these states can be distinguished using electroencephalography. Their different EEG signatures go hand in hand with distinct behaviors: breathing, swallowing, licking, and moving the eyes but no large-scale body movements in active sleep; no breathing, no eye movements and tonic muscle activity in quiet sleep. These stages correspond to rapid-eye-movement (REM) and slow-wave sleep common to all mammals. In late gestation the fetus is in one of these two sleep states 95 percent of the time, separated by brief transitions.

What is fascinating is the discovery that the fetus is actively sedated by the low oxygen pressure (equivalent to that at the top of Mount Everest), the warm and cushioned uterine environment and a range of neuroinhibitory and sleep-inducing substances produced by the placenta and the fetus itself: adenosine; two steroidal anesthetics, allopregnanolone and pregnanolone; one potent hormone, prostaglandin D2; and others. The role of the placenta in maintaining sedation is revealed when the umbilical cord is closed off while keeping the fetus adequately supplied with oxygen. The lamb embryo now moves and breathes continuously. From all this evidence, neonatologists conclude that the fetus is asleep while its brain matures....

....The dramatic events attending delivery by natural (vaginal) means cause the brain to abruptly wake up, however. The fetus is forced from its paradisic existence in the protected, aqueous and warm womb into a hostile, aerial and cold world that assaults its senses with utterly foreign sounds, smells and sights, a highly stressful event.

As Hugo Lagercrantz, a pediatrician at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, discovered two decades ago, a massive surge of norepinephrine—more powerful than during any skydive or exposed climb the fetus may undertake in its adult life—as well as the release from anesthesia and sedation that occurs when the fetus disconnects from the maternal placenta, arouses the baby so that it can deal with its new circumstances. It draws its first breath, wakes up and begins to experience life.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what we are being told we should ignore by those who would impose beliefs..

...Just like Mitt is still playing the Birther crowd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8AVjNdDTtM

Since when has belief been stronger than knowing or no-thing?

I like the views of these guys when it comes to Atheism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_1Ikf-9EkA&feature=related

Para'd ... .. "where are the records of zombies entering into Jerusalem?"

Artful Dodger: "Who made God"

When I was an atheist I assumed that was a rhetorical question. Even I knew there was no "before there was God" from the Christian perspective. And trying to tell them what they really believed didn't make a whole lot of sense, because once you do that you've completely discredited yourself. At least I took some pride in not being a sloppy atheist, but that didn't exactly please the other atheists... they would all laugh and call me names, and not let me play in any atheist games.

Iamon lyme: I love the way they challenge with "Who made God then?" A dumber question has never been asked.

Whatcha doing?
Nothing.
Where ya going?
Nowhere.
How ya going to get there?
I'm already there.


Tired of not knowing where to go or how to get there? Join the Nothingists, and all your problems will disappear... into nothingness.

Read "How to Make a Lot out of Nothing", and you will never lose another debate.

Iamon lyme: Well, I would try to keep an open mind about it.

Artful Dodger: That cartoon cracks me up. After carefully reading a blank piece of paper, who wouldn't be convinced in the existence of... nothing?

Iamon lyme: I have a huge Pit Bull named god. If they atheist say they don't believe in God, god bites their.....butts. Then they become believers.

Artful Dodger: Okay, we've covered the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. But what would you say to these guys if they came to your door?

Iamon lyme: lol

Iamon lyme: Do you mind if I use that line?
I've been using "Is your dad in jail, because he stole the stars from the sky and put them in your eyes!"

The Col: Your application has been pre approved, and your card activated. enjoy yerself.

Iamon lyme: re: "Sometimes rejection is a good thing. If you tripped and fell down a hole and landed in hell, they would just toss you back... they don't want your kind down there"

awwww, that's so sweet

Artful Dodger: "They skip by my house for some reason."

Sometimes rejection is a good thing. If you tripped and fell down a hole and landed in hell, they would just toss you back... they don't want your kind down there.

Iamon lyme: They haven't returned now for a few years but they still come to the neighborhood several times a year. They skip by my house for some reason.

A Norwegian court has found that mass killer Anders Behring Breivik is sane and sentenced him to 21 years in jail. Breivik, who admitted killing 77 people when he bombed central Oslo and then opened fire at an island youth camp, told the court he would not appeal.

He insisted he was sane and refused to plead guilty, saying last year's attacks were necessary to stop the "Islamisation" of Norway. Prosecutors had called for him to be considered insane.

Breivik was convicted of terrorism and premeditated murder, and given the maximum sentence of 21 years' imprisonment. However, that can be prolonged at a later date if he is deemed to remain a danger to society.

Delivering the verdict, Judge Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen said that the court considered Breivik to be suffering from "narcissistic personality characteristics" but not psychosis.

She imposed a sentence of "preventive detention", a special prison term for criminals considered dangerous to society. She set the minimum length of imprisonment to 10 years.

Afterwards Breivik said he did not recognise the court, which he contended had "sided with the multicultural majority in parliament", but said he would not appeal as this would legitimise the proceedings.

Prosecutors - who had argued the defendant was insane - also said they would not challenge the verdict. Some of the survivors and relatives of his victims welcomed the verdict and the end of the trial. "Now we can have peace and quiet," Per Balch Soerensen, whose daughter was among those killed in the shootings on on Utoeya island, told Denmark's TV2.

Lilith is supposedly Adam's first wife. I found out about her in my exploring of the original texts that were around at the time of Christ and before. Since I kept on being told I can't be a Christian as my views were 'new age' and therefore Satanic in origin... what a load of baloney that turned out to be.

Adam couldn't handle her as an equal...

"....The pseudepigraphic[93] 8th-10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira is considered to be the oldest form of the story of Lilith as Adam's first wife. Whether this particular tradition is older is not known. Scholars tend to date the Alphabet between the 8th and 10th centuries AD.

In the text an amulet is inscribed with the names of three angels (Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof) and placed around the neck of newborn boys in order to protect them from the lilin until their circumcision.[94] The amulets used against Lilith that were thought to derive from this tradition are, in fact, dated as being much older.[95] The concept of Eve having a predecessor is not exclusive to the Alphabet, and is not a new concept, as it can be found in Genesis Rabbah. However, the idea that Lilith was the predecessor is exclusive to the Alphabet.

The idea in the text that Adam had a wife prior to Eve may have developed from an interpretation of the Book of Genesis and its dual creation accounts; while Genesis 2:22 describes God's creation of Eve from Adam's rib, an earlier passage, 1:27, already indicates that a woman had been made: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." The Alphabet text places Lilith's creation after God's words in Genesis 2:18 that "it is not good for man to be alone"; in this text God forms Lilith out of the clay from which he made Adam but she and Adam bicker. Lilith claims that since she and Adam were created in the same way they were equal and she refuses to submit to him:...."

Artful Dodger: LOL You have less patience that I do. I endure the pitch for as long as I can, and then I tell them. You're right though, it's all down hill after that.

It's probably better your way. I just make it worse by leading them to think I don't know anything before dropping the hammer. For me it's all about time and interest... do I have the time to deal with this, and do I feel at all interested in going through with this again? LOL

Iamon lyme: lol

I like to ask the Mormons, "Why are you here." Then when they give me an answer I challenge it. They tell me they are here to offer help if I need something done and to share "another testament of Jesus Christ." But I ask them where they are from and I get "California" or "Georgia" So I explain that they are NOT here to see if I need help, they are here to fulfill their obligations to their church and they are using me to do it. I explain that they are not even from here and have no personal interest in me except for how visiting my home helps them fulfill their missionary requirements. And, I say, you are here to tell me my views are wrong and yours are right.

It just goes downhill from there.

... tells you what Conservative Christians think of women...

Is it the Mary Magdalene bit, Eve (Lilith being too much for Adam to handle), man being master of his house...

God is not male you know, the man being master refers to metaphors on assertiveness. Female being the passive assertive and man being the aggressive assertive.

Artful Dodger: I always accept the comic books, except for the one time I was expected to pay a quarter for it. I don't think that was supposed to be part of the routine, I think the young lady just didn't like the idea of the cost coming out of her own pocket. It was funny, she didn't mention the quarter until I reached out to take the offered comic book, so there we were both holding onto it. But I did think about it for a few seconds before letting go of the book. LOL

Iamon lyme: He's just regurgitating the abortion rights talking points. Tells you what he thinks of children in the womb.

Iamon lyme: You don't like my answer and are moaning.

Tuff.

(V): Okay, then I'll rephrase the question. When did your parasitic lifestyle end and... oh forget it.

It's obvious when an answer is too much for you. You either spam the board until it leaves the page, or you start fights that end in a moderator deleting it for you. I have news for you, the moderators won't automatically delete the parts only YOU find offensive. Grow up.

Iamon lyme: The JWs just leave comic books to read and never want to talk much. But they hardly ever come by. The Mormons are out on their little missions and come to my town from all over the US. They are just doing their little mission thing that's required of them and they all say the same thing to start with. They are dressed in suits and cute little backpacks and want to know if there's some work they can help with. I needed some rock moved so I pointed to the pile and they said they'd be back the next day. Never heard from them again. But a year later two different dudes show up.

Iamon lyme: It's a term.. You do understand metaphors and the like?

I was 'carried' for about nine months. Until I was born I relied on a (this is science) a parasitic lifestyle (just as you and everyone else does) where my embryo released a hormone to stop my host's immune system killing me.

I thank the woman for carrying me, and out of respect for her I'd never force her or any other woman by law to be automatic baby carriers.

I guess I have respect for life that is first and not a life that maybe and cannot be for several months on it's own.

Iamon lyme: Jules is clueless on the abortion debate. Don't waste your time.

Artful Dodger: I remember Jehovahs Witnesses coming to my door, but not any Mormons. There are Mormons where I live, but I don't think they do a lot of door to door visits unless it's with someone they already know... meaning, other Mormons.

The Col: Nobody who is anybody actually watches MSNBC. Or as Levin says, MSLSD. They are a joke. Their ratings prove it.