So are you saying that anyone who hasn't SEEN the posts shouldn't comment? That its ok to post like that as long as women don't get to see it?

Anyone who has not seen them should not comment , incase they have been fed duff info. I take it you havent seen either then.

Looks to me like someone has told you "this player said blah blah" and youve all jumped. Hey you must be sad if thats what has happened LMFAO

I saw them and it sounds as if everyone that's commented have a pretty accurate impression of the content.
(except, Rose, the word 'rape' was NOT mentioned).

I won't be drawn into this here. Carry this on either privately or in the boiler room where there is less chance of kids reading it.
Its impossible to discuss this without mentioning what you have said.

Wasn't it a private fellowship for men????

<shrug>

I think I have to agree that the person that copied and pasted it sounds like a bit of a trouble maker.

I agree that it would be offensive on a typical discussion board, or in a "mixed" fellowship...

seems a bit blown out of proportion to me.. but I should just hush up since I wasn't a member of the cave and didnt see the posts..

I was not going to say anything on this subject, but what the heck.

1st) What is said in a private fellowship should stay in that fellowship. If someone did copy - paste from the fellowship (no matter what it was) should be dealt with. If that person had a problem with the content, they should either leave the fellowship or take it up with Fencer directly.

2nd) Fencer has said that he does not want NO FOUL LANGUAGE on his game site. And as I took it, that meant not only public boards, but all boards - private and public. Fencer has a right to read any board, and I believe he does keep an eye on most public & private boards - and if he feels that something he sees warrents a fellowship to be deleted, then I support him in that decision.

Fencer has a right to do anything he wants to do because it is his site and he is responsible for everything. That's why he is choosing the easiest solution which is the best for BrainKing, not for any particular user.

And since Fencer is very busy with development and related things, Harley has a right to explain and comment all Fencer's actions.

well said :)

This might be a good post to put on the main BK board seeing as it relates to ALL of BK.

Also can Harley do any dirty work for Fencer?
Removes posts, people, etc etc

Just curious :)

Not yet, Bernice. This functionality is prepared for BK 2.0. Unfortunatelly, my work on BK 2.0 is very slow because I have to solve many other problems at the same moment.

No Harley can't do that :o) If something is bad enough, I'll report it to Fencer. Hopefully there won't be many things bad enough for me to bother Fencer with them. The idea is to lessen his work load, not add to it.

Okay, can we delete all off-topic posts here?

Any posts must be on the topic of fellowships. Any posts containing foul language will be deleted - not edited - by me. I haven't the time.

.. in light of what I've read (without seeing the initial post from the cave) it seems a bit harsh.

Can I ask that the cave be allowed to be reformed and that Bwildman be allowed to do it with a clean slate (ie no members, so he can choose who is in or out) and that the person who did take a post (as I've read has done) out of context and distorted it be repremanded for doing so.

I do take it Fencer that the post was not as posted elsewhere unless otherwise informed.

'Jules', no post was taken out of context, or distorted. It was a clear verbal assault on several female members here, and an insult to women in general.

Not having seen it.. I'll have to say ok???
As my idea of what is insultive is different to many (as those who know me will agree!!) ...

Oh Well!!

So you're saying that the cave was full of Bonobos?

I heard that the ant eaters are from the same ancestory as humans!! lol

that it was taken out of context.

But that is my opinion!!

Ughaibu, maybe its because if men want to discuss their own preferences among themselves, thats up to them, but if they discuss the same subject about women who have no way to defend themselves in that fellowship then thats a whole new ball game. Then the subject is being discussed about women without their knowlege or consent. So when these women find out what has been said, it makes them mad that they are being talked about in such a vulgar way. Why is that difficult to understand?

ughaibu, let me ask you this. I'm assuming you've now seen the posts from there? If you saw men discussing your wife in this manner, would you not be highly offended?
If you found YOU had been discussed in this way, in a place you would not normally visit, would you not feel used? Your name and image being used for perverted 'chat'. It really isn't pleasant.

I would like to see the posts in question - that is the "bad" post and all the post that lead up to the offending post.

Just reading one part of a post can be easly taken out of context - for example, Rose wanted to do things to a mans butts with a DOOR! (Almost sounds like rape if it's taken out of context!)

Again, I haven't taken sides other then Fencer has done what he felt is best for this GAME site, and I know that the cave even though it is a private board, had been warned about the language and content that was posted there.

BBW! I said dont let the door hit u in the A** on the way out.. that cant be taken as rape in any context that I know of now can it?

... but the point is that a post or part of a post taken out of context could look worse then it was! That is all I was trying to say. :-)

BBW, I understand what you're saying, but nothing was taken out of context. I'm really trying to avoid posting exactly what was said, but it could not have been made to look any worse.

How did you come to read it?

... and did you read just that post, or all the post that led up to the "bad" post?

I have not read the post, but if someone took a post out of the cave, and posted or pasted it to another user (other then Fencer) - then that person should be removed from this site also!

I agree BBW...
I'm not sure Harley agrees, since she is mum on where or how she read it.

BBW I read all the posts leading up to that. But even those posts alone, would be bad.

IMupChucKing, I had them sent to me, NOT by Bumble as some people seem to think, although he was also quite rightly angry about the posts.

harley - shouldn't the person who sent you the post also be punished?

I thought Fencer made a rule that you are not allowed to copy-paste things out of private fellowships?

The correct thing to do if the post were bad were to contact Fencer directly and let me take care of it.

I'm glad you got to see all the post - I trust your judgement that it was not taken out of context then.

I don't think the person who sent me the posts should be banned. It wasn't done for spite, or for trouble. It was done by a very concerned member who could see things getting out of hand.

So who is the snitch...and why are they being defended after breaking the rules themselves???

So it is OK to break Fencer's rules if a person thinks it is OK to do so?

No. It was sent to me so as not to bother Fencer with them. They could just have easily sent it to any other customer service rep. Thats what we're here for, to report things to that you're not happy with. They're not being protected or defended, they did not plaster it all over any board here, it didn't appear anywhere but in my mail box. I took the decision to report it to Fencer because I was disgusted with the content and it was too much for me to deal with. They were not 'snitching', I was the one to do that. They just expressed a concern about the content. I was the one to take it further.

Sorry Harley...its not your decision to decide...
hand over the snitch who broke the rules.... you are playing God, deciding which posts are offensive, and which rules are ok to be broken, and when and by whom... you are not God, nor do you own this site

Nobody broke any rules. They reported a conversation to me. I took it to Fencer.

As customer service, do you have unlimited access to read all of the fellowship posts?
Had someone been concerned, they could have asked Fencer to take a look, this would not have broken the rules, sending it to you, did break the rules, whether you like it or not. Rules are rules. ither enforce them all, or lose credability.

he rule is to not paste any messages from a discussion board anywhere else on this site. Thats what happened. It is not your responsibility to cover it up, let the cat out of the bag, and let justice fall where it may.

User Agreement

Guideline #2

"... Users may not copy another user's post and place it elsewhere on the site."

The first infraction should be a written warning - since I don't know who did this, or if they got a written warning yet - but that should be done if Fencer wants to keep his rules respected.

No, I do not have unlimited access.
Its not breaking the rules to report something that you think is wrong here. Because I do not have access to the cave, they had to send me the conversation. Thats a big difference to plastering it all over BrainKing and using it to cause trouble with.

Link to User Agreement if people have not read it yet.

They placed a post elsewhere on this site - in your mailbox! Unless Fencer is going to change the rules to allow it, as the rules are written now - this is not allowed!

OK, IMupChuckKing, have it your way. I'll tell Fencer who sent me the posts, and he can deal with them as he sees fit.

All they had to do, if they did not want to bother Fencer, is tell you that there might be something on this board worth looking at, and then you could have 'bothered' Fencer, and he could have looked for himself, without any rules being broken.

Sending this message to you because they did not want to bother Fencer sound dubious to me...it DOES sound like someone wanted to 'cause trouble with it', and it worked...unfortunatly for them, they broke the rules in doing so.
This obviously was not handled to descretely as far as Mad and Steve were concerned, why should this other rule breaker have the luxury or breaking the rules without public scrutiny for it? If what they did was so rightous, then why the big cover up?