<Pioneer54 -

You made a statement about something that I had already addressed. Since you have not made a post in a few days, I am assuming that you have not had time to read everything so I will bring it up again.

You write:
>> The game "Keryo13" sans restrictions is indeed a game, and is indeed a pente variant. You have chosen to refuse to recognize it as a variant, but you have not shown that it should not be here, other than offerings of a whimsical nature. <

We haven't recognized it as a variant because it does not meet what we would consider to be reasonable requirements for a variant. Let me explain. I have stated CLEARLY what constitutes an INVALID variant of any game on BOTH discussion boards and Dmitri King repeated my EXACT words in a later post. I will repeat them yet again. Below is a cut-and-paste of my 'challenge' from a prior post that PERFECTLY personifies what an invalid variant is.

The definition of an INVALID variant:
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1. The variant must have a name that contains the name of the regular version of the game.
2. Only one SINGLE rule is changed. (I'll even consider 2 or 3 rules based on the situation.)
3. NONE of the pieces, stones, men or whatever is used for moves and/or movement is changed from the mainstream game.
4. The method of winning the game must still be the same. (i.e. no anti-variants which are obviously substaintally different from the original games)
5. The change in the rule(s) DRASTICALLY affects the chances of one side or the other so that one side now wins a substaintal percentage of the time or the game now results in a large % of draws.


Does this seem like a REASONABLE definition of an INVALID variant to you? Pioneer54, does this NOT make sense to you? You are obviously an intelligent individual with logical reasoning skills. Does it somehow seem unfair to you? Does it NOT seem necessary to define invalid variants? If we did NOT define them, then like Dmitri King said, anyone could put ANYTHING on ANY game site. 3-in-a-row needed to win? 1 capture needed to win? 5x5 board? Sure, all valid variants. Don't you see, Pioneer54, that if we don't define what constitues an INVALID variant, then there's no telling what will show up on the sites. I'm trying to appeal to your since of logical reasoning here.

I am still waiting for someone to forward us a VARIANT of ANY game at ANY site that meets these requirements EXCEPT for Pente and Keryo Pente at IYT. If people CANNOT come up with a variant of ANY game that is so similar to it's original so that it misleads MANY new players into playing the ACTUAL game incorrectly, then I don't see how people can debate and/or argue in favor of no-restriction Pente or Keryo Pente.

PLEASE let me know what you would change about THAT definition of an invalid variant so that it would properly define what YOU could consider to be an INVALID variant.


Gary