But Ustica is a credible opponent and it is not a frivolous challenge he makes. Playing within the BK framework..each man to his own devices..the match would be highly interesting. I can not think of a valid reason to avoid it.

I don't think Ed can beat Ustica.

how come you can t beat me. im only human.:)
maybe you can run your program for 2 or 3 days, then make a move. see if you can win. i think you do.:)

A lot of people including myself have beaten Chinook (it took me over 100 tries) and since it imposes a 4 min time limit per move it is unlikely those folks are using a program against it as it would allow no "deep study" time. Chinook apparently self corrects too because the same line won't work twice. It is sad a draw is a loss there because that pads Chinooks stats. Ed I'm sure many of your opponents betray their amaturism within a few moves and I assume you would put away your hardware at that point..or their won/loss record is so mediocre you don't consider them a threat. Allowing of course for a possible sandbag.

There is a lot of arguement over what is "cheating" there. I think it is the same rules for checkers. The question being debated is under what circumstances (if any) is the use of a program ethical? My opinion is that it is permissable if your opponent is informed BEFORE the game starts and is also using a program. Then it becomes a mine against yours type of thing. It is also OK IMO to analyze completed games. What is not acceptable is using one against an opponent who is not without their knowledge. There is a down side in any case..if you once use a program you can NEVER win another game that does not raise the cloud of suspicion..even if you stop using one. I have webtv and could not if I wanted to but I have always been fascinated by what programs can do. I recognize Trice as an accepted authority on the subject.

Checkers related subjects should be all that is discussed on this board for everyone..including myself. From this point on it will be. PM's and other boards can be used for other stuff.

Can someone please explain what that said

Also Slam is a friend and without him there would have never been a Kam for me.

Thanks for the post Mike but I am not sure the checkers DB is the best forum.

Purple.I agree with you.I don,t mean to take your post up.I have seen people change fellowships, change pictures why.I do not say much if peaple can not read the difference between the headlins between one fellowship and the other then i see now reason to answer.But soon you will be reading all my post.Slam shut up quick when he sees a name. check the clip ons.The red dots blow them up you will no the rest.I can pull a pearson out of a boat now.Your friend AL.You no they read the messages.Hope they read this one.Your good friend AL.UE Father.We will have fun with that new site.

Thanks. Wish some genius could come up with a way to make it webtv compatible.

1 Day per Move
Lightning Checkers
For players who play every day and are not afraid to get beaten LOL

In explaining third position Jim Loy says that repetitive moves (to try to trap) do not result in draw. On most of these internet sites they indeed do.

I got into payne's draw once on the wrong side. :o(

99% are wins even for someone like me? :-)

So is 3v2 a draw, or should it be a win?

got an invite to a checkers game... my board is messed up... all i see are white squares with red x's in them... any idea how to fix board so i can play... i can play now but is rather diff to move

Many thanks!

Cool! :-)

Excuse me, could somebody from the experts here explain, what do the numbers and abbreviations in the analysis of CheckerBoard mean? I searched in the help file and on the CB webpage, but I didn't find anything...

1.) [1st move:] book 11-15 v0 d19 9-14 v0 d18 10-15 v-2 d15 12-16 v-2 d15 11-16 v-2 d14 10-14 v-4 d15 9-13 v-10 d17
1a.) v0 d19 ?
1b.) v-2 d15 ?

2.) [11th move:] depth 19/36/19.3 time 1.92s value=-88 nodes 1472251 765kN/s db 98% pv 13-17 15x 8 4x11 29-25 17-21 28-24 11-16 24-19
2a.) depth 19/36/19.3 ?
2b.) value=-88 ?
2c.) db 98% ?
2d.) pv 13-17 ?

ok thanks guys..:)

For more information on that go to www.h4ns.net or check any problem book. Specifically, look for the "in & out" shot to see how you can take advantage of this rule.

The move ends when you get the King.

Since i'am just new here,got a ?.the other day a had a 2 jump move,got a king,and had another force jump move and could not do so.

How would this work? I don't get it.

But yeah. Checkers without the forced jump isn't checkers. I don't know WHAT you'd call it. Maybe "one-move diagonal chess," as without the forced jump checkers becomes akin to chess in that you can't force your opponent into anything like a shot, but rather if he is threatened he can retreat. Not to say moves can never be forced in chess or in whatever you'd call this guy's version of "checkers," but it's not the distinguishing characteristic of either the way it is in actual checkers.

I wouldn't exaggerate that much, Ed... you can still win 2 kings vs. 1 by the conventional method of forcing the king out of the DC. But winning 2 vs. 3 COULD be eternally postponed since a trade could not be forced.

thanks gooner

If you are making a request try Feature request board as I am right in thinking this board is for discussions on the forced jump variety.

It wouldn't surprise me. I get peeved sometimes too at those 2-for-1 shots. lol

;)

Or maybe your problem is just that, officially, the rules of checkers include the fact that you have to take a jump... it's in fact the foundational rule of checkers. Or maybe it's just that you don't know how to play "real checkers," as you call it, and get peeved every time your opponent sets up a basic 2 for 1 shot and you have to take it.

Hey I am far from having my rating at the top of the list

Ive played it on a real board since i was a kid.It is a very quick game.YOU can win it.If you are a real checker player.There is none of this playing on for weeks,taking up space on your oponents game sheet.If you have never played it why all the fuss.Not all of us have to have are name at the top of a rating list.

exactly Ed!!! There is no way you can play the game without a forced jump it could go on forever. Not a good idea!! :o)

I personally would not like to play in checkers if there was no forced jumping. The only time I do not want to jump is when I made a really bad mistake, because I usually lose two or more pieces. lol

Hi folks, may I invite you to this tournament with all BK checkers variants?

Just me 777: I see... May I ask who is "we"? I can hardly imagine that there is more players who are dreaming about a variant without the forced capture. (Btw, would you like to have "huffing" in your variant? :-))

LOL..Bad..and quit ur smileing.all we are trying to do is get new game of checkers going.let them call it what ever they want.that was just a name someone suggested.with this kind of rule in it,this will end all these prolonged games that are going on here.,as we all no are happening.

Just me 777: 1. If I'm not wrong, there is a forced jump in Canadian Checkers, the rules are similar to International (Polish, French) Checkers, only the board has 144 squares.
2. Even small childern play checkers with sort of forced jump ("huffing").
3. Please stop arguing, it's going silly. :-)

I have never heard of someone not taking the jump even when I was a kid we played it that way.

its called a draw game ed.

There is a difference between stating an opinion and throwing false accusations of cheating at games. You lied on your profile, just_me. You do play head games. Good day.

LOL..u think like bush hey...read your profile bud..u think ur the only one here that can state his or her opinion..ur a joke man ..get a life.

Not at all. I *do* have a problem with someone mouthing off and tossing accusations at people he doesn't even know and has never played, all without even bothering to think about what he's saying.

we are trying to get new game going called..CANADIAN CHECKERS u got a problem with that.

Just stating the obvious, just_me. The rules of CHECKERS state that you must take a jump when available. Do you always argue against standard rules of classic games and then accuse people you don't even know of cheating?

Look at my ratings sometime and then see if it makes sense to accuse me of cheating at ANY game. Then get a life.

whats wrong power u afraid of a new game that u can't cheat at?

Besides, just_me, if the players in question are programmers, it wouldn't really be difficult at all to modify their programs to play a version that did not force jumps. If you suspect someone is using a program, I'd say the best thing to do is simply not play them.

A version with no forced jump? That's not checkers. Even as children we played checkers with forced jumps. That's checkers; it's part of the rules. If you don't like it, you play a different game.

good one purple.but not all are honest.lol:)

With webtv I have no computer. Also 50 losses means it must be a lousey one. LOL