pedestrian:

That's not what I am saying. I am not saying the opponent would lose anything. If we had a game and made moves every day, what I am saying is that after 4 hours, if I make a move to "draft" mode I get 20 hours to change it. It doesn't affect our 1 day policy. It just means the game won't go faster.

jadarite: i sent you an official warning .. stay polite and dont use rude language or you will be banned ... this is the first and last warning

i let this go on as i thought the language was (just) not over the edge, but now it goes too far .. i will let these messages stay as to not destroy the history

Aganju: There's one problem with skipping Wednesday and Thursday: Vacations would get shorter. A three week vacation, for example, would only last 15 days - and 6 of those days would have been weekend days anyway. Maybe we could make this feature optional? I would like to be able to change my preference from time to time...

jadarite: No, you missed the point. It is not about "proving yourself here," but rather you will see by playing games that you do get that draft mode by clicking your move, then you can sit there and think about it if you wish, or make notes and come back later. Anyway, I see that you have left... I always knew you were just trolling here and using some fake profile you created in 2010 without a single finished game.

jadarite: you seams to get pissed off to me, you turn to an agressive mode, I don't need to discuss at your deep level about it. if you're not able to use the note-function before sending a move, then just get over it !

speachless: "Isn't it in life and in games as well corresponding that sometimes people make a wrong decision/move"

Dear innocent soul, this isn't about making a wrong move.

Do you make moves instantly? Really? Or do you use T H O U G H T?

All I am saying is before we click submit, we have a draft function.

If you don't understand 101 Draft Email ideas then come back later.

cd power: "Honestly, it is difficult to take your suggestion seriously when your first log-in to this site was in 2010, but yet you have not completed a single game here. Finish 100 games and then tell us what % of those games you lost because you were unable to use a "draft" mode."

Now we have it folks. Before a good idea is conceived, it must be after 100 games. You guys are braindead in the 1990's technology scene.

I am trying to help you.

I have played 1,000 games not 100. I don't need to prove myself here to have a good point.

jadarite: Isn't it in life and in games as well corresponding that sometimes people make a wrong decision/move, and we usually don't get the opportunity to turn the time back? If people click to send their moves, it doesn't care if it was a wrong move, it is part of the game to make mistakes or am I wrong? If you're not sure about a move, you just shouldn't send.

jadarite: Honestly, it is difficult to take your suggestion seriously when your first log-in to this site was in 2010, but yet you have not completed a single game here. Finish 100 games and then tell us what % of those games you lost because you were unable to use a "draft" mode.

jadarite: All games have a notes function where you can write, for example, your intended next move. If your worry is that you will forget the move you intended between the first time you looked at the board and the second time you can write it there. A lot simpler than recoding brainking to allow for those with Alzheimer’s.

jadarite: Then perhaps you are the one who hasn't been reading carefully. Just input your move, but don't hit the "move" button until you are sure.

If you want to have multiple games where you do that at the same time, open multiple tabs (or windows) and do that in each game that you choose.

No need for any new programming whatsoever.

Pedro Martínez:

"I have a suggestion too: It would help me a lot if Friday came right after Tuesday. Now let's discuss the pros and cons…

I do not know why you care if I “actually” play Shogi, but you are welcome to visit my profile and see for yourself."

I never suggested removing Wednesday or Thursday. That is the point you are not getting. It is already in the system where we can have 1 or 2 days before making a move. So in theory, Friday could come after Tuesday. We could play a game where 2 or more days could pass before one of us has to make a move.

All I am saying is that if we think of a move before said time permitted, then we also be allowed to alter that move BEFORE SUBMITTING.

The reason why I asked you about knowing shogi is that I was wondering how you could relate to the suggestion I made. It is similar to knight moves in chess where they could go to the same square.

You have spent a lot of time attacking me, now try to spend 1% in support. I am not here to hurt you my friend. Maybe in the end you will see the light.

happyjuggler0:

You didn't read carefully. I wasn't requesting to change a posted move. The request was to post it later. Do you understand how "draft" works with email?

Pedro Martínez: Now that is a brilliant suggestion. I just removed "feature requests" from my favorite boards.

Justaminute: Good point. I no longer read the Feature Requests board, as I believe it would be a waste of time.

Justaminute: If there was a feature that allowed you to change a posted move, then that would be the first thing I would vote to have that abolished if given a choice.

Pedro Martínez: You could extend that argument to why does anyone post anything to the Feature Request board. If I was voting for useful features, being able to change a posted move wouldn't get very far up my list.

On another note, I have now found out that the tiny-font line that used to appear right below the name of a poster and saying what the person is doing has been removed… Oh well, just another useful feature that is gone…

Aganju:

Pedro Martínez: i actually think this is a good idea. Nothing important is on Wed or Thu typically, and if anything would be there, I could easily move it to Fri. So I support that change.
(Of course I understand that you meant to _remove _ Wed and Thu, not just reorder the sequence and have them somewhere else)
That would also help with work/live balance, as right now the ratio is certainly skewed with 5:2. Having 3:2 instead is a big step in the direction of balancing them.

Thom27: But there are also drawbacks. One is, of course, the effort to implement it. A second is that the players might get into the habit to submit moves without thorough thinking, maybe usually looking at the situation after delayed submit and think if they should undo. Then they go to another site where delayed submit is not available, and soon make a blunder.

jadarite: You do get this correct. I am replying to someone who has made a suggestion.

It doesn't concern me at all. Your suggestion only perplexes me as I have no idea why anyone would bother conducting lengthy discussions about a suggestion that they know will never come to life. I have a suggestion too: It would help me a lot if Friday came right after Tuesday. Now let's discuss the pros and cons…

I do not know why you care if I “actually” play Shogi, but you are welcome to visit my profile and see for yourself.

jadarite: if it works then it might be the best solution :)

jadarite: please keep it nice .. this board is about brainking, no personal attacks

your question doesnt apply to shogi alone

Hrqls:

So, in other words you support my idea but until it is implemented you are saying the remedy is to do something else which amounts to exactly what I was suggesting.

Pedro Martínez: If I get this correct, you are replying to someone who is making a suggestion. I don't know why it concerns you. Do you actually play shogi?

jadarite: there is the "cancel this move" button

i like the idea of Aganju: save the link as a favorite, click on "cancel this move" and revisit the favorite link later to complete the move for real

jadarite: So if I understand you correctly, you are making suggestions even though you know they are never going to be implemented? Well, good luck then.

No, that's "Move on" not "Move one". Dang these clerical errors. I am doing this to prove a point.

Move on no one. This allows me to stress posts by not being able to correct. :::chuckle:::

jadarite: just as an idea: you can save the page link - after entering your move but before submitting it - in your browser as a shortcut. When you click that link later, the move is visible again.
I'm not saying this is a great solution, but it would work.

jadarite: I think you do not understand or realize that the “1999 design”, as you call it, will stay, regardless of any 2013 suggestions.

Thom27:

Yes, I concur. I didn't need 16 hours in this case, just 5 minutes.

jadarite: I think the delayed submit is a better solution, because it does not necessarily require additional effort. If you enter a draft move, you must eventually come back and submit the move. After entering a move with delayed submit, you may come back and change the move, but you can also leave it and the move will be submitted after the delay time.

I meant it for situations where immediately after submitting you think: "oh wait, what have I done now?". You would be able to undo the move, but you need not to.

One should be able to enter the amount of delay time individually for every move you submit. You might even enter a delay of 16h or so, if you might look again at the move in the evening.

Hrqls: The submit button is the only option. There is no "check back later button".

Pedro Martínez: Useless for 1999 website design. I am trying to suggest 2013 suggestions. I can undo moves easily with babaschess.

jadarite: if that is is just what you want, and your reasons for it, then i suggest to make a habit of checking your move before hitting the submit button .. you can move your move, recheck it, double check it, ..., and then hit submit (or cancel)

Pedro Martínez: nope :)

Can I vote somewhere for the most useless discussion ever seen on BK?

So, it is a shame we can't play that game with intended moves.

I got to correct my posts this way because it won't let me edit.

Hrqls: "is that what you mean ?"

The conclusion is the same, but for a different reason. I agree that your point is also valid which gives this more credence.

You are saying you can rethink the move and I am saying I typed in the wrong move. So I want to edit it. Imagine a writer for a newspaper. The editor comes along before it is published. I want to be able to edit clerical mistakes.

I am not really thinking about the game. I am not pondering other moves. I am not planning ahead. I am just double checking to see if the move I inputted was actually the move I made on my own chess board at home.

I am playing 3 games of Japanese chess now. One is lower level, one is higher level it seems, and the other is probably closer to my level. So, it is a shame we can play that game with intended moves. I don't want to resign because I couldn't correct my move. However, I feel this is a waste.

This opponent and I are a good match. I am more interested in playing a decent game than a game with moves that were not entered in correctly.

If a chess magazine or article put in a wrong move from yesterday's grandmaster tournament, wouldn't an editor come along and correct this mistake when it was found out the move was not actually played?

That's essentially what is happening besides me being a grandmaster, lol. I made a move. Then, I went to the computer and I made a different move.

So, all I want is the option to correct it and reflect the move I actually made on the board before I entered the other one on the computer.

jadarite: ah i now see what you mean ... that would be useful indeed ... often in chess types i think about a move, but cant decide yet before real life kicks in again and drags me away from brainking ... when i finally have time again to get back to brainking i have to restart the thinking, which i might not have to do when they move would have been saved but not submitted

is that what you mean ?

Hrqls: The point is to allow a "draft" mode. When you type a draft email, it is not sent. You can come back to it later. That's ideally what I want. The clock has not stopped ticking, but I have a move I am interested in making. If I am multitasking, I could then come back and double check (no pun intended). If the move is still sound and then I can send it like a draft letter to be sent later. The opponent would never see the proposed draft move. So, it's not like taking back a move.

jadarite: i understand the difference between putting a move into the computer, or playing directly on the computer

there is even a difference between playing on the computer or on a phone. people tend to submit moves faster (without checking) on phones (in my experience)

the question is: suppose there is a undo mechanism here .. in which you can undo a move in about 30 seconds .. would you go back to each game after you submitted the move? in case of the action of going back, you could change that action into checking before submitting the move .. each is an extra action you have to perform, and each can be forgotten as easily

i had to change my gameplay as well: in the past i used the mouse to click on 'cancel this move' when i didnt want ... i especially use that in froglet games in which i view the board as it would be after i made the move, before i submit the move .... i accidently clicked on submit instead of cancel a few times .... after that i am not using the backspace key on my keyboard to go back (and cancel) and use the mouse to submit my move, so i wont accidently use the wrong action (although they are clearly separated on this site i sometimes click too fast :))

jadarite: free accounts have unlimited moves per day, but a limit on how many games they can have going on at the same time ... so if you have a fast opponent, then you can have a lot of moves per day

jadarite: Do not take anything written on this site too seriously. There are many obsolete texts here, as well as just about as many missing ones. And as pointed out by rabbitoid, the One is no longer bothered...

For rook, it states, "The player is not limited by number of started games at once nor number of moves per day nor number of joined tournaments and team tournaments, is limited by 35 vacation days per year."

If we have a free account, we are limited to a number of moves per day? If so, then how many moves does a free member have per day in a game of shogi?

Justaminute: "And the current situation is no different from letting go of your piece completes your move in competitive over the board games."

It is different. In a competitive over the board game, you wouldn't be making moves on a computer like here. If I were playing a competitive over the board game, I would have just moved the piece that I intended to move and WOULD NOT have made a clerical mistake on the computer.

Vikings: Ok, but then posters cannot correct spelling and grammar mistakes. If you create a system that works with the people, then the people will work with the system. You build a system that condemns people from the start, well, you get my drift. Just my 2 cents.

jadarite: that is a privilege for paying members and for a good reason