Tuesday: Yes, unless I post clearly a "No soliciting" sign. And that happens all the time, every time someone makes news, the media camp out on that persons lawn until the story no longer fills their needs

Tuesday: selling is a right, it is in the constitution, it's called THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

(V): if you look it up on wikipedia you would find out that it was in fact judges that took that right away
and tell me how a comercial is not a form of speech, you can't

Tuesday: Its a privilage to drive, its a privilage to purchase a t.v., its a right to talk

Tuesday: apples and oranges, first of all it is up to the states to impliment the drivers liscense and laws. next I'm not aware as to where in the constitution that would be covered

You have touch on something very important, the first amendment doesn't require you to listen to those advertisements which goes right back to rods point

(V): you have given an opinion of your point of view. I haven given you proof that your opinion is just that your opinion(but free speech) and that it is a right of free speech, The amendment doesn't say "except when someone has an opinion as to what is free speech"

Tuesday:Having a T.V. is not a right, nobody forced you to purchase it, I agree it is annoying tho

(V): You send a signal to your nerve in your throat and that makes a muscle reverberate and noise comes out and whala speech is formed and that is deemed free by the first admendment

you explain how it is not

(V): it's called free speech!

Tuesday: to sue the government

It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is just another example of judges illegally making law

"Who is going to find out? These women are trash. Nobody is going to believe them." - Hillary Clinton on her husbands affairs.

"You had some good points. It was kind of long so I forgot some of them." - Louisiana Senator Diana Bajoie during a debate in the Senate Health and Welfare Committee.


I've now been in 57 states, I think, one left to go. One left to go, Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it. Guess who

"If there’s any message from the Congress to the markets it is that this is a fiscally sound package." - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the pork filled stimulus package in March 2009

Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English . . . you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish.
Then Senator Barack Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign

"It was like the Special Olympics or something." - President Barack Obama talking about his bowling game on "The Tonight Show".


Today is a big day in America. Only 36,000 people lost their jobs today, which is really good. - Senator Harry Reid, March 5, 2010

We have been guided by a Republican administration who believes in this simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it.
Virginia Representative Jim Moran while running for re-election in 2008.

Who really cares about it being unconstitutional?
Pittsburgh City Councilperson Tonya Payne after the council approved legislation to fine a gun owner $500 for not reporting a stolen firearm within 24 hours

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." - Hillary Clinton, while First Lady, commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents


"My husband may have his faults, but he has never lied to me." - from page 465 of Hillary Clinton's book "Living History"


"Just keep the cockpit door closed. You can put up a sign in Arab - this is, say, type-casting, but say 'Try to hijack, go to jail.' " - Senator Fritz Hollings on preventing another 9/11 type terrorist attack


"On behalf of all of you, I want to express my appreciation for this tremendously warm recession." - Democratic National Committee chairman Ron Brown


"Last year, the vice president launched a new effort to help make communities more liberal." - President Bill Clinton, during his 2000 State of the Union speech


"No, it wasn't classic at all. I had one of those inarticulate moments late in the evening... and I didn't say something very clearly." - John Kerry in reference to his $87 billion statement made during a NOONTIME appearance


"She's a wonderful person, and we are looking forward to a happy and wonderful night... uh, life together." - Senator Ted Kennedy about his then fiance Victoria Reggie


"An incomplete success." - President Jimmy Carter in 1980 describing the disastrous attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran


"President Bush will probably win the vote, somewhere between 45 and 47 votes against, and he'll think that's a victory." - Joe Biden on the vote to confirm UN Ambassador John Bolton on ABC's This Week


"Probably she does look good compared to the mummy he's been having sex with." - Clinton White House press secretary Mike McCurry making an "off the record" comment to reporters in reference to Clinton's line about a Inca mummy


"The more killing and homicides you have, the more havoc it prevents." - Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley


"We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton


"An innocent bureaucratic snafu." - President Clinton attempting to explain what 900 Republican FBI files were doing in the White House


"We've got a very strong candidate. I'm trying to think of his name." - Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd at an appearance on behlf of a South Carolina senate candidate


Chuck, stand up, let the people see you - Joe Biden to State Senator Chuck Graham, a paraplegic.


"I think the president can claim executive privilege, but when it comes to an appointment to the Supreme Court, you can't be playing hide the salami, or whatever it is." - Howard Dean on Hardball


"The other thing we have to do is to take seriously the role in this problem of...older men who prey on underage women." - President Bill Clinton, talking about teen pregnancy in 1996


In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking. - Joe Biden

"I am in hell already. I'm in Israel." - Al Sharpton during a visit to Israel.


"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died." Barack Obama (Actual death toll: 12)

"I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, ... and things." - John Kerry on ABC News


"But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up." -- Teresa Heinz-Kerry on First Lady Laura Bush, a former teacher and librarian


"Those who died in the earthquake, their lives will never be the same again." - Barbara Boxe


"I believe that gays and lesbians deserve to have the same rights as homosexuals." - Rev. Al Sharpton in 2002


"Outside of the killings, we have one of the lowest crime rates in the country." - Marion Barry, mayor of Washington, D.C.


"It's a new day. Communism is dead. It's even dead in Cuba. I hate to say it, it's dead." - Barbara Boxer, senator from California


"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992


"This is still the greatest country in the world if we just steel our wills and lose our minds." - President Bill Clinton


"The police are not here to create disorder. They are here to preserve disorder." - Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley during the infamous 1968 Democratic National Convention


"I was embarrassed to wear it." - Senator Diane Feinstein on wearing an American flag pin


"I'm not a chauvinist, obviously...I believe in women's rights for every woman but my own." - Chicago Mayor Harold Washington


"Breast cancer victims face a long waiting line before they could get a biopsy or, uh, or a uh, another kind of, what am I looking for, a sonogram or...." (people in the crowd shouted "Mammogram!") - Al Gore in 2000


"I have to confess that it's crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian." - Hillary Clinton in a 1997 interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch


''I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.'' - John Kerry at a campaign rally in 2004


"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." - Bill Clinton in an August 12, 1993 speech


"Clothing is wonderful, but let them go naked for a while, at least the kids." - Teresa Heinz-Kerry talking to volunteers packing donations for hurricane relief in the Caribbean


"Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people... and betrayed their trust."- The 12th Congressional District hopeful Bill Clinton during the Nixon Watergate investigations


"I'm someone who has a deep, emotional attachment to Starsky and Hutch." - President Bill Clinton at a meeting with TV executives


I don't own an SUV.... The Family has it, I don't have it." - John Kerry, whose family had a 1995 Suburban, a 1993 Land Rover Defender, a 1989 Jeep Cherokee, and a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the time of that statement


"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" - Bill Clinton during his Grand Jury testimony

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." - President Bill Clinton's finger waging statement some time before admitting that he did have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky


"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." - Diane Feinstein, who carried a concealed weapon after claiming to be the target of a terrorist group


"The last time I checked, the Constitution said, 'of the people, by the people and for the people.' That's what the Declaration of Independence says." - Bill Clinton quoting The Gettysburg Address during a 1996 campaign stop


"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion ..." Barack Obama


"I tell you, that Michael Jackson is unbelievable! Isn't he? He's just unbelievable. Three plays in twenty seconds." - Al Gore commenting on basketball star Michael Jordan


"They all behave the same. They all look the same. It’s pretty much a white Christian party." - Howard Dean talking about the Republican Party while in San Francisco


"You all look alike to me." - Florida Representative Corrine Brown to Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega after calling him and other members of the Bush administration "racist" and "a bunch of white men"


"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep." - Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos speaking on Larry King Live


"I haven't committed a crime, what I have done is fail to comply with the law." - New York City Mayor David Dinkins reacting to accusations that he didn't pay his taxes


"If the...if he...if is means is and never has been, that is not - that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement." - President Bill Clinton stumbling on the definition of the word "is"


"And now, will y'all stand up and be recognized?" - Texas Democratic Congressman Gib Lewis to a group of people in wheelchairs

"I resent insinuendoes." - Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley


"If we do the work that we can do...people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk again."


"...and the party of a great man who should have been President, who would have been one of the greatest Presidents in history--Hubert Horatio Hornblower!" - Jimmy Carter intending to mention Hubert Humphrey at the 1980 DNC


"I can't believe we are going to let a majority of the people decide what's best for the state." - Louisiana state representative John Travis


"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" - Newly elected President Bill Clinton on MTV in 1993


"I mean you've got a conservative and right-winged press presence with really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum." - Hillary Clinton, on C-Span

Tuesday: here's what Tuesday is refering to
http://www.radioiowa.com/2010/07/13/tea-party-billboard-in-mason-city-raises-concern/

Übergeek 바둑이: so the government would have to communicate with tin cans and a string since they couldn't hire a phone or internet service, there would never be a new government building since they couldn't hire construction companies which would be alright since they couldn't move without hiring a moving company or have any furniture without contracting for the purchase of it.
You see the government couldn't function with out hiring the private sector, but as I said before lobbyist are more the problem and also the private sector hiring family members of government officials (which goes hand in hand with lobbyist) is where the spending and corruption lies, private business would survive and prosper

Übergeek 바둑이: Obama took over banks and car companies and the health care industry, whereas halliburtan was a hired business,
one is a lobbying problem and the other is a Kensian socialist takeover
Big difference and I would agree with you that the lobbyist need to go

Übergeek 바둑이: apples and oranges
contracting out vs. taking over

enough, I feel an itchy delete finger coming on

I think that it is time to agree to disagree and move on, I've been to churches that teach either way and I don't think either one is less christian than the other

Artful Dodger: exactly

rod03801: thats why it's called "faith"

Tuesday: you accepting verse 16 and discounting verses 17 and 18
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

since when was being saved a law?

Tuesday: "speaking in tongues" isn't what some churches do now...that's a farce. The diciples were given knowledge of strange languages to go to other countries to preach the gospel. Ppl who babble are overcome with something that's for sure. Why does going into a church building suddenly give ppl some power to act like fools. They don't do that in public or at work or the grocery store.


it applies to your accepting part of a verse and discounting the rest

Tuesday: just out of curiosity, are you saying that everything that Jesus said and done for 32 years only applied for that 32 years, because you are telling us that what he said doesn't matter after he died

Tuesday: I beg to differ, I visited a church a couple of years where the minister began speaking in tongues during his sermon. as I recall he ruined a rather nice sermon,

My quick research is coming up with the same conclusion as art. Mark 16:9-20 is not in most reliable early manuscripts, although it is in the KJ and NIV versions, I'll have to do further research on this

Artful Dodger: I'd like to see one that says that it is necessary

Tuesday: really, show me chapter and verse, I believe that that is the position of your specific church, not of the bible

Tuesday: the man on the cross next to Jesus was never baptized. Baptism is encouraged but not a necessary ritual as a passage to Heaven

Übergeek 바둑이: John 3:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16&version=NIV#en-NIV-26127


and baptism has nothing to do with accepting Jesus in Christianity, John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
This verse clearly confirms that all that is needed to be born again and saved it to believe

Art


: I think the answer to your question is also in the 14 the amendment, it's a line that gets forgotten all to often.

"all persons born or naturalized in the United states, AND UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF..."

That last line is what conveniently gets dropped, and is why babies of illegal aliens should not get get citizenship, that point was made clear by the authors of the amendment. and is why babies born outside of their country of citizenship should get their birthright from their parents country, not visa-versa

personally I do not think the law needs to be changed, only the judges who Ignore the Constitution in favor of their personal agenda, and the idiots in congress who fail to tell them "thanks for your opinion but take a hike as your opinion has no place here"
Legally, the only jurisdiction the judges have is to rule the amendment constitutional or not, either way citizenship would not be allowed

Artful Dodger: hmmmmm, why is the far left lashing out at the messiah? hmmmmmmm

simple, it's an election year and they know that bama is a failed president

Bernice:the current topic is relevant to to current events and therefore relevant to this board, as long as it does not get personal it is allowed, you are always welcome to not read the board for a few days

Artful Dodger: If I don't close it first

Artful Dodger: to volatile, only place for that is in a fellowship http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=2278

Artful Dodger: are you saying that muslims worship an infidel?

GTCharlie: well that is your opinion as much of religious debate is, however the bible has the same claim



1. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24
2. "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
3. "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
4. "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
5. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
6. "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
7. "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
8. "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
9. "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
10. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
11. "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
12. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
13. "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
14. "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
15. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
16. "‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
17. "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8
18. "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
19. "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14
20. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
21. "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21
22. "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9
23. "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
24. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24
25. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one
26. [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5 "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8
27. "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10
28. ""The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29
29. "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
30. "I and the Father are one
31. [hen]." John 10:30 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3
32. "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22
33. "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30
34. "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27
35. "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4
36. "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6
37. "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20
38. "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6
39. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
40. "which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16
41. "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
42. "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19
43. "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4
44. "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25

believe what you want

GTCharlie: not according to the muslim faith

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

Jim Dandy: I have and considering the violent nature of the muslim faith going back to and including the time of mohamad (who was himself a terrorist) I'm not sup prized one bit

Jim Dandy: Muslim faith requires acts to get to heaven to live in sin where as in the christian faith you get to heaven by grace not by acts to live in a perfect place (no sin). Therefore, they cannot be the same god

Jim Dandy: Impossible

Pedro Martínez: looking at the definition in Wikipedia, you nailed that

Bernice: Ummmmmm, it was 2 separate poll questions.

"Extreme right wing"Fox news poll
61% of Americans say the muslims have a right to build the mosque
64% say that it is the wrong thing to do 'insensitive"

ok. fun is fun but I'm going to have to put a stop to this before the defecate hits the rotating oscillator

Enough, Don't make false statements if you don't like being called on it and no flaming even if it is to prove a point

Tuesday: no