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15. August 2010, 07:50:39
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re: I just don't get why they (new media and politicians) focus only on the mosque contained in the center.
Bernice: IMO, if we are going to be a country that honors diversity, we need to rethink our attitudes toward the Muslims among us. There are two things to consider (maybe more). One: there is a huge element of Islam that wants to control the world through their religion and they will kill everyone to that end. Two: There are others in Islam that want to practice their religion peacefully and honorably just like other mainstream religions. We live in a difficult world. We have to consider both but when it comes to the former, we do so with caution.

15. August 2010, 07:46:07
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: And how do you know that?

15. August 2010, 02:18:57
Mort 
Most Americans (59.3%) receive their health insurance coverage through an employer (which includes both private as well as civilian public-sector employees) under group coverage, although this percentage is declining. Costs for employer-paid health insurance are rising rapidly: since 2001, premiums for family coverage have increased 78%, while wages have risen 19% and inflation has risen 17%, according to a 2007 study by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The health care system in the U.S. has a vast number of players. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of insurance companies in the U.S.[74][146] This system has considerable administrative overhead, far greater than in nationalized, single-payer systems, such as Canada's. An oft-cited study by Harvard Medical School and the Canadian Institute for Health Information determined that some 31% of U.S. health care dollars, or more than $1,000 per person per year, went to health care administrative costs, nearly double the administrative overhead in Canada, on a percentage basis.

Health care costs rising far faster than inflation have been a major driver for health care reform in the United States.

14. August 2010, 23:53:10
Mort 
As a condition of accepting the job, Paulson demanded to be President George W. Bush's chief economic spokesman. But Paulson, a halting public speaker, wasn't particularly good at constructing narratives about what was happening in the economy—leaving the public and his boss continually shocked at the succession of failures. In late April 2007, he said subprime mortgage problems were "largely contained." In March 2008, as Bear Stearns was about to implode, Bush asked: "We're not going to do a bailout, are we?" The response: "I told him I wasn't predicting one and it was the last thing in the world I wanted."

When the bailouts began, Paulson took charge, acting as investment banker in chief. He personally replaced the management of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and put the government's credit behind the faltering mortgage agencies. "We had, I thought, just saved the country—and the world from financial catastrophe," he writes.

But just as one crazy caper ended, a new one was about to begin. The reason: The Wall Street banks were royal screw-ups. Without passing judgment on them—these were members of his former fraternity—Paulson treats us to a parade of big shots asking the government to save their banks from their own incompetence. Here's Chuck Prince, Citigroup's hapless chief executive, at a dinner in June 2007: "Isn't there something you can do to order us not to take all of these risks?" Lehman Brothers chief executive Richard Fuld calls from India to ask if Paulson can get him flyover rights from Russia to get home more quickly. Then on the day before Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, Fuld pleads: "Hank, you have to figure something out." John Mack of Morgan Stanley begs: "Hank, the SEC needs to act before the short sellers destroy Morgan Stanley." "On the Brink" will do little to dispel the notion, which Paulson acknowledges, that some Republicans believe him to be a closet Democrat. His wife, Wendy, held a fundraiser for her fellow Wellesley classmate, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in 2000, and the Paulsons are big-time tree huggers. His mother, a once-staunch Republican, had so soured on Bush that she urged her son not to take a job in his administration. Paulson love-bombs Barney Frank as "scary-smart, ready with a quip, and usually a pleasure to work with," praises Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and notes that then-Sen. Barack Obama was "always well informed, well briefed, and self-confident."

But while Bush ("admirably stalwart") comes in for similar praise, Paulson has little positive to say about other Republicans. Sarah Palin annoyed him from the get-go. When he spoke to House Republicans about efforts to help Fannie and Freddie, he was chagrined that many responded with speeches about ACORN, the low-income housing activist group. House Minority Leader John Boehner was ineffectual. John McCain comes off worst of all: impulsive, ill-informed and counterproductive. "This was crazy," Paulson writes of McCain's decision to suspend his campaign in late September 2008 and demand a White House meeting on the bailout. At the climactic meeting in the Cabinet room, Obama spoke for the Democrats, delivering a "thoughtful, well-prepared presentation." But McCain? "When it came right down to it, he had little to say in the forum he himself had called."

Thanks largely to Republican recalcitrance, the $700 billion legislation authorizing the bank bailout was one deal Paulson couldn't close. To get the job done, the former lineman was ultimately forced to hand the ball to White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten.

As the narrative lurches from crisis to crisis—TARP, AIG, GM—the reader, and Bush, are continually presented with bailout moves as unavoidable faits accomplit. Bush was "visibly shocked" when Paulson told him in November 2008 that Citigroup was in big trouble. "I thought the programs we put in place had stabilized the banks," the president said.

14. August 2010, 23:47:21
Mort 
Alistair Darling: RBS 'two hours' from collapse in 2008..

Alistair Darling, chancellor of the exchequer at the time of the financial crisis, has described a "frenzied" phone call with a senior RBS executive as the bank teetered on the brink of collapse.

"It was quite clear the bank was going to fail in a couple of hours and he said 'what are you going to do?'," he told Today presenter James Naughtie.

"Happily we did have a plan, and we stopped the bank from closing," he said. "If RBS had gone down the rest would have gone with it"

14. August 2010, 23:34:05
Bernice 
Thema: Re: I just don't get why they (new media and politicians) focus only on the mosque contained in the center.
Artful Dodger: It is called racism.

14. August 2010, 23:02:26
Vikings 
ok. fun is fun but I'm going to have to put a stop to this before the defecate hits the rotating oscillator

14. August 2010, 21:54:59
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re: Do Republicans do bad things
Jim Dandy: Of course some do.  But with democrats, it seems to be a way of political life. 

14. August 2010, 21:24:54
Mort 
Germany seems to be ahead in methane/biogas fuelled cars.. with over 400,000 in use. The cars are dual fuel as in being able to run on methane and petrol giving a range of about 450 miles on one 'tank'.

.. the waste from 70 households in enough to provide enough fuel for 10,000 miles.

From a UK article..

To use biogas as vehicle fuel without affecting vehicle performance or reliability the gas needs to be treated to remove the carbon dioxide content. GENeco, part of Wessex Water, imported specialist "cleaning" equipment to treat the raw methane generated at the sewage treatment works in Avonmouth.

The spokesman added: Our site has been producing biogas for many years which we use to generate electricity to power the site and export to the National Grid. "With the surplus gas we had available we wanted to put it to good use in a sustainable and efficient way.

"We decided to power a vehicle on the gas offering a sustainable alternative to using fossil fuels which we so heavily rely on in the UK."

14. August 2010, 21:11:52
Mort 
Thema: Re: "utopia"
Jim Dandy: Let's just say I think they want to operate in high density population areas.

14. August 2010, 21:09:56
The Col 
Thema: Re: "utopia"
(V): Are they hiring?

14. August 2010, 20:48:51
Mort 
Thema: "utopia"
And the neo-conservative right wing are looking for what then if they are opposite ends??

Total anarchy and chaos?? Hardly good for a prosperous America... only good for fear and profit from such.

btw folks.. the UK has started using plants that convert solid human waste into methane that can power cars fitted with a lpg converter.

So.. in the UK if you hear of such a plant in your area.. support them

14. August 2010, 20:05:31
Papa Zoom 
As Democrats continue to try to play the race card, more and more American's are ignoring it.  Victor Hanson observes in his article;

"....we
have devolved to the point where promiscuously crying "Bigot!" and
"Racist!" signals a failure to persuade 51 percent of the people of the
merits of an argument."


This leaves liberals in a pinch.  Liberal policies are deeply unpopular, and liberal proponents aren't winning the political argument based on facts and results.  In decades past even the hint of racism was enough to sway an argument in their direction.  No longer.  This has lead to even more screaming that those that opposed leftist governmental intrusion are racists. 

The
more liberals scream, the more serious thinkers can be excused for
looking at liberal policies and asking "Why are liberals convinced that
minorities won't succeed without their brand of government help?".  A
perfect example of this dichotomy was the school voucher program in
Washington DC that benefited poor and mostly black students, yet
liberals killed it.  With that type or record, the best response to
liberal agitation about matters of race is simple and Shakespearean --
Methinks the liberal protests too much.

14. August 2010, 19:27:27
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Now, back to exposing those socialist, communist, democrats
August 14, 2010
Socialist Party of America reveals 70 Democrats as belonging to their caucus

The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
This admission was recently posted on Scribd.com:
American Socialist Voter-
Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?
A: Seventy
Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?
A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].
Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?
A: See the listing below
Co-Chairs
Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)
Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
That's 70 out of 255 Democrats in the House who are avowed socialists. You also wonder how many are still in the closet.
Again, we see the cowardice of these people. If they really had courage, they would run as both Democrats and socialists and be proud of it.

From the Preamble of the SPA:
We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.
We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources,meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.


Can anyone honestly say this is the vision you want for the United States? Look around. Show countries where these ideas are producing that "utopia" socialists so naively seek.

14. August 2010, 19:09:21
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday:  It's not a mosque, it's a Muslim community center that contain a mosque.  It's not at Ground Zero, it's blocks away.  If it were just a mosque, I'd say no to it.   And a BIG NO if it were proposed on the actual Ground Zero site.  But a community center?  I'm having a hard time objecting to that.  I just don't get why they (new media and politicians) focus only on the mosque contained in the center.   

14. August 2010, 15:34:22
Mort 
But what about illegal workers?

After hearing of Juan’s success, Juan's brother Raul decides to come over as well. Raul wants the same minimum wage his brother Juan is making but realizes that obtaining citizenship is difficult and he cannot do so at this time, so he opts to go illegal and work under the table. Raul makes $17,000 a year, cold hard cash, baby! Raul does not pay a dime in taxes, and we hate him for this. But should we really hate Raul? From my point of view, being an economist, I hate Juan. Well, I don't hate hate him, but I hate his status as a taxpayer and I’ll tell you why.

You see, someone has to pay Raul $17,000 a year in cash. Is John Smith going to pay him, with his meager salary of $50,000, almost a quarter of which has gone to taxes of his own, and now he is left with a mere $24,076 to live on all year? No way. John just bought a pretty sweet ride. He probably pays over half that alone in car payments and insurance. John, rightfully so, needs his bling.

Luckily, he doesn't need to hire an illegal immigrant, at least not full-time at $17,000 a year. But who does? Typically, in more than two-thirds of the cases, the answer is someone making a $150,000 and up income, oftentimes with their own business. Sure, you can deduct for small business taxes, etc., and do all these fancy loophole things, but if we assume that on a tax bracket scale when all is said and done these guys are generally paying anywhere from 24% - 33% in taxes each year. Let’s assume that Mr. Fatcat has a business and pays 25% a year in taxes on his total income of $175,000, and he hires Raul for $17,000 a year.

Well, well, well. Where does this $17,000 come from? It's not tax deductible because Mr. Fatcat really doesn't get any of the special privileges for payroll to an employee because he can't report Raul. That $17,000 cash given to Raul has been taxed already, at the fantastic rate of 25%. Raul doesn't notice, but his salary has already been taxed for $5,666.67 because it is derived from the post-tax income of Mr. Fatcat's. The reason it's so high is because you can't just calculate 25% of $17,000 and end up with $4,250 in tax revenue, but in order to get $17,000 you must start out with an original amount of $22,666.67 of pre-taxed income. After taxes this now equals the $17,000 Mr. Fatcat has left over in cash for Raul. (Taxing Raul's money again would be taxing that money twice, a big no-no to the IRS, surprisingly.)

So here we have two brothers. Juan is legal, and pays the government $2,159 every year in taxes. Raul, on the other hand is illegal. And yet we all hate Raul because he doesn't pay us $2,159 in taxes. Yet it seems as if people are often too quick to judge. When we examine the numbers we realize that Raul has, in essence, paid us almost two and a half times his brother's taxes - $3,507 more, to be exact. We never stop to think that the under-the-table employees in our country are already being taxed, at incredibly higher rates than if they were working legally.

So by now I hope we can see a different situation. An amazing group of laborers paying well over what they would pay in taxes as full citizens is still far too frequently the target of our hatred. At times their inability to learn English results in more anger, yet we don't even give them the credit they deserve for knowing more English than we know of their language. They work long, hard hours in conditions other people wouldn't tolerate. They deal with problems that all of our forefathers faced coming to this country, and they're paying heavily for that privilege. Since they don’t file for returns, or are paid cash in hand, there are very little bureaucratic costs. Yet all many people can do is blame them for our problems.

Immigrants of all status are the bedrock of this country. It’s easy to criticize them, or view them as scapegoats as to why our economy’s going down the tubes, but it is entirely unfair to do so. It is a human right to be able to seek a better life for oneself and your loved ones. The system as is may not be perfect, but one’s status as an illegal immigrant does not automatically mean that they get a free ride without buying into the system like the rest of us.

There was a time when immigrants sought out a better life for themselves. Many of them were illegal, and they faced intense prejudice and insufferable conditions. These ranged from New England paper mills, Midwest steel factories, and building railroads. Imagine what our country would be like today if the Irish, Italian, Polish, Russian, etc. unwanted illegal immigrants had all been deported. Would you be here today?

14. August 2010, 15:22:34
Mort 
The net benefits of illegal immigration.

A recent study (PDF) has the xenophobes in a dither. The Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy, at the University of Arizona, looked at the full balance sheet to see what immigrants put into the economy and what they take out. In particular they studied the impact of immigrants, mostly illegal, on the economic conditions in Arizona.

On a whole they found immigrants contributed more to the economy then they cost. No surprise there. Where the racists concentrate on only cost, this study also considered benefits. For instance, “non-citizen households” in Arizona had consumer spending, in 2004, of $4.41 billion. That created an estimated 28,000 full-time jobs. In addition that spending “generated tax revenues of approximately $318.6 million.

But then these illegals “steal jobs” as well. Supposedly “skilled” jobs according to the email I got. The Udall Center found that 14 percent of the Arizona workforce is made up of immigrants but they held a disproportionate number of “low-skilled” positions in agriculture, construction, manufacturing and some areas of the service industry. Almost 60 percent of agricultural workers were immigrants. About 22 percent of food preparers and servers were immigrants. About 35 to 41 percent of construction workers were immigrants. The same for 46 percent of textile workers, 51 percent of landscaping workers and 38 percent of maintenance workers.

There were some high skilled immigrants in particular professions but these were legal immigrants who are targeted by the US government for preferential treatment. So 19 percent of physicians in Arizona were immigrants, along with 36 astronomers and physicists and 16 computer hardware engineers. But, the typical “illegal immigrant” takes jobs that don’t pay as well and which, for the most part, are shunned by the native born.

I think one of the great absurdities in US immigration policy is that they ignore the need for people to mow lawns and sweep hallways. Working contributes to the economy of the state and the Udall Center found:

Non-citizens, for their part, contributed $28.9 billion, or eight percent of Arizona’s economic output, resulting in 278,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Their output included $10 billion in labor income, and $3.3 billion in other property income. The state tax revenues resulting from this economic activity were approximately $1.08 billion.

They also looked at what would happen if the illegal workers were removed from the workforce.

Agriculture: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the agriculture sector would result in direct losses of 3,300 full-time-equivalent jobs, and losses of $600.9 million in output including lost labor income of $198.6 million, and lost other income of $116.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately $24.8 million. Construction: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the construction sector would result in direct losses of 55,700 full-time-equivalent jobs, and $6.56 billion in output including lost labor income of $2.59 billion and $450.5 million in other lost income. The direct lost state tax revenue would be approximately $269.2 million. Manufacturing: A ten percent reduction in the manufacturing workforce would result in direct losses of 12,300 full-time-equivalent jobs, and $3.77 billion in output including lost labor income of $740.8 million, and lost other income of $286.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately $104.4 million. Service industries: In the service sectors analyzed, a sixteen percent reduction in the labor force would translate to direct losses of 54,000 full-time equivalent-jobs, and lost output of $2.48 billion including reduced labor income of $901.3 million, and reductions in other income of $273.0 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately $156.9 million.

I hope Governor Napolitano is realizing what a mistake she made pandering to the bigots.

The study concluded that the state of Arizona took in tax revenue of $1.64 billion from immigrant workers while the amount the state spent on immigrants was approximately $1.41 billion leaving a net benefit of $222.6 million to the state coffers. But that is only what they contribute to Arizona’s revenue. They also pay national income taxes and social security taxes. As Shikha Dalmia, a senior analyst at the Reason Foundation noted: “A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.” And while they pay in, under US law they are forbidden to receive the benefits for which they pay. “The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.” She writes:

What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.

14. August 2010, 08:54:36
The Col 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: I know a good doctor

14. August 2010, 08:51:07
The Col 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: You had better keep a close watch on those blessings, Obama and the Dumocrats are going to take them away

14. August 2010, 08:43:58
The Col 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: Thank goodness we have Fox News to lend a level headed fair and balanced perspective, they don't have a horse in the race, it helps them maintain credability beyond reproach.

14. August 2010, 08:33:28
The Col 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: When I first head the issue framed as a mosque being built at ground zero, I was a little taken aback, maybe a lil too delicate an undertaking, then I heard the facts

14. August 2010, 08:28:00
The Col 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: I think many who are against it, actually think it will be plunked right in the spot "ground zero" It's actually a property that has been owned and run by Muslims for years, it's just being renovated and expanded.I think it's at least 2 or three blocks from the actual 9/11 site

14. August 2010, 06:49:52
Papa Zoom 
Thema: tip of the democratic corruption iceberg

14. August 2010, 06:23:16
Papa Zoom 
Fox mentioned it! No one else covers fairly like Fox.

14. August 2010, 06:22:32
Papa Zoom 
Thema: bias in the news
Of 351 Reports on Outrageous Bell, Calif. Salaries, Only One Mentions Employees Are Democrat

14. August 2010, 06:21:05
Papa Zoom 
Even the Poor Are Abandoning Obama, According to Gallup Poll Data

google it

14. August 2010, 06:19:53
The Col 
Thema: Re: another dumocrat
Artful Dodger: Do Republicans do bad things

14. August 2010, 06:16:17
Papa Zoom 
Thema: another dumocrat
n the fight to retain his Congressional House seat, North Carolina U.S. Rep. Bob Etheridge (NC-2) emailed and mailed letters and newsletters from his House account last week. Observant voters noted that Etheridge used taxpayers dollars to underwrite the mailings, sending the pieces just ahead of the franking 90-day deadline before the election. Etheridge is the politician who pushed a student journalist when he was queried by the young man on a D.C. street.

btw Rep. Etheridge has more than a million dollars in his campaign account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v60oNUoHBYM

14. August 2010, 06:11:10
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Such compassion
To close out 2009, the Democrats, who supposedly care so much about ‘the children,’ gave the DC children a special gift–they killed the successful voucher program–effectively banishing them back to horrid DC public schools. As I reported on New Year’s Eve 2009:

The Democrats have officially killed a successful private school voucher program banishing more than 3,300 low-income children back to the DC schools they so desperately wanted to escape. The Heartland Institute reports:

The leaders of D.C.’s school choice movement, Kevin P. Chavous (former D.C. Councilman) and Virginia Walden Ford (executive director of D.C. Parents for School Choice), today issued the following statement:

“House and Senate Appropriators this week ignored the wishes of D.C.’s mayor, D.C.’s public schools chancellor, a majority of D.C.’s city council, and more than 70 percent of D.C. residents and have mandated the slow death of the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program. This successful school voucher program—for D.C.’s poorest families—has allowed more than 3,300 children to attend the best schools they have ever known.

14. August 2010, 06:08:59
Papa Zoom 
Thema: From one of the poorest communities in Cal...
Robert Rizzo, the city manager, made nearly $800,000 last year, and reports are surfacing that the real total could be double that

He's a democrat.

14. August 2010, 06:01:27
Papa Zoom 
Thema: It's shameful. We don't have enough money for our own kids because illegals are allowed to suck off the system.
The Fiscal Burden of Educating Children of Illegal Aliens
Of the estimated $113 billion the U.S. spends on illegal immigration annually, roughly $52 billion goes toward educating the children of illegal aliens.

14. August 2010, 05:52:22
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: Name them and give examples.

14. August 2010, 01:23:22
Mort 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: Lot's.

13. August 2010, 20:33:44
Mort 
Thema: Re:
Bill O'Reilly is an idiot.

13. August 2010, 04:36:42
Papa Zoom 
Jennifer Aniston is an idiot.

12. August 2010, 18:39:13
Papa Zoom 
If that link doesn't work, go to this page and search for hoover

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/index.html

12. August 2010, 18:38:35
Papa Zoom 

12. August 2010, 18:34:46
Papa Zoom 
Thema: Re: Effect of Obama care
rod03801: I'll find out my increase in about three weeks. I have very little out of pocket for my premiums because my wife has her own insurance. But imagine all those retirees who pay they own way (like my mother). It's close to 1000 a month for insurance. That's likely to put many on the public assistance (tax payers will now foot the bill). So Obama's (your premium rates will not increase) promise is just another in a long string of Obama lies. Premium rates go up and so will your taxes. I figure I'll pay over two thousand in total increase. Great.

12. August 2010, 14:12:09
Mort 
Thema: Re: Effect of Obama care
rod03801: Sounds like the companies are trying to do some daylight robbery in the mean time till they enter into a market where they will 'miraculously' find they can lower prices.

Pretty standard from what I gather from your country's insurance companies. Try asking them for what reason have the plans been going up way above the rate of inflation in the USA for years and years!!

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