JungleBurger: Thinking he exists makes no sense. Just as believing God exists.

I thought the idea was to just 'know'.

As to God's image.. mmmm not male (as The Jewish say.. the sex of God is just in relation to his relationship with us) .. not a man. The image part is describing our ability to be and rise above being unthinking creatures.

as many philosophers say, surrendering does not mean to stop thinking, but instead to see your thinking and to let it go.

Iamon lyme: Neither is the Bible... it's just a tool book, the cross.. just an icon, the ten commandments... just words. Yet many people who say they are men (or women) of God keep saying these are sacred. We must do this.. because the Bible says so..

But if so, then they have in fact abandoned the first principle of being Children of God. Freedom to be an unmoved mover

No-one mentioned worshipping a 'shrine'... or as commonly known, a statue or sculpture. Just showing a mark of respect to someone who helped save lives and 'invented' the ideas behind modern computing.

Like with war cemeteries.. shall we take all the acknowledgements down given to those who have fallen in defence of others?

"So, depending on whether you believe in God or not, here are our options... we can worship a God who created us in His image, or we can be the gods who create tools in our image."

who says there are only two options? This is a world of colour not of monochrome as rightly pointed here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gthQuogUA

Good film by the way..

Artful Dodger: "As you can see, my games are down to 8 and I've played here a lot less. Coincidentally, you showed up shortly after my regular attendance here declined. The theorists here will use their logic skill and make their usual conclusion."

I assumed there were maybe two or three people here giving you a hard time over this. Are there more than that? Other than getting a few strange pms last year, I haven't heard about this except from you. Are you hearing about it at other boards, or in private messages?

"BTW, I'm not even sure I know what he means by biological mechanics."

I don't know either, but it is laugh worthy. I think maybe he lost track of his straw men, and what they are supposed to represent. His 'crazy notions' of what Christians believe is fun to watch. If what he meant by biological mechanics is what I think he meant, then... naw, I'll just wait for him to explain it. He said it, he can explain it.. maybe.

Iamon lyme: oops, correction:

I said [ I didn't distinguish between what I wanted to believe and reality.. which is another way of saying I wasn't being honest with myself. Of course, atheists don't do this because they are honest intellectuals who need our help to understand how dangerous it is to not believe as they do. ]

What I meant to say was [ I didn't distinguish between what I wanted to believe and reality.. which is another way of saying I wasn't being honest with myself. Of course, atheists don't do this because they are honest intellectuals, and we need their help to understand how dangerous it is to not believe as they do. ]

I really should look these over BEFORE sending them, instead of after.

Iamon lyme: Nah. I quit a long time ago. Interesting. You must be you then as I don't smoke. I just fart ... a lot.

well, off to the fishin' hole......cya!

Artful Dodger: yeah, the fishing hole..

you read my mind..

Say,do you smoke? Mind if I step out for one? I'll try not to inhale too deeply, if you agree to cut back on.. hhhhhm, seems I know less about you than you thought you did..

Ok, back to the fishing hole

Iamon lyme: I think you just did.

Artful Dodger: No, wait a minute. I may have been gone six months, but I still remember you telling me that I know more stuff than you do. I told YOU that you're smarter than me, so if you say I know more stuff then who am I to argue? I remembered that because of it's flawless logic.. it forms a perfectly flawless circle.

So there...

did I just tell myself off? Oh well, if I did then I probably deserved it.

JungleBurger: What do I care if I haven't read the books.

Do you mean, what do I care what C. S. Lewis would say if I didn't read his books?

Care about what? Sorry, need more info to understand your question.

Iamon lyme: Well, maybe you're me and I"m you. If that's the case, I'm smarter than you. And since I'm smarter, then I know a lot about Fast and Furious. But since I don't know a lot, then I"m maybe not you. Unless you don't know a lot either then I probably am.

If you're confused then that proves you're me.

The Col: Yum in lots of ways :D I see a recipe board here :)

Artful Dodger: Shorter? How could you know you are shorter than me if you aren't me? And how do you know I'm not bald? Who are you really?

Oh crap, now I'M becoming confused. How do we, I mean I, oh crap.. how are YOU going to untangle this?

Iamon lyme: "I haven't read any of his books".

What do you care if you haven't read the books? :)

Iamon lyme: I'm partial to chicken, but whatever floats yer boat

The Col: Thanks for the warning. Maybe JB doesn't know that... I still say it sounds like a vegans answer to the hamburger. You know, a hamburger with everything, but hold the meat patty. Actually sounds like a tasty meal. I could always heat up a meat patty later in the evening.. after dark.. in the light of a full moon.

Iamon lyme:

JungleBurger: I haven't read any of his books. I don't know why, because everytime I see him quoted I like what he has to say. I also liked the Narnia movies, and saw part of a play based on the Screw tape letters.

Artful Dodger: I was hoping that hadn't changed. I enjoyed being you before I left to be me for awhile, but it's not easy being me so it's nice to be back where anything I say can be blamed on YOU!

Fast and Furious. What a story of twists. Nixon revisited. And Carter.

Sorry I messed up post below still trying to use to this new machine. :)

Iamon lyme: Hey, what's with the nic name anyway? Never mind, since I'm you, I already know. Which isn't true. I don't know because I"m you, I know because you told me. And no, I don't talk to myself. But good to "see" you again my friend. Seems like I just saw you this morning while shaving. But that guy was bald. And shorter. So it couldn't have been you. Unless.......aliens....

Iamon lyme: There is a utube video called Jungle Burger.A bunch of marching penises.....and it kinda regresses from there LOL

Monochrome head-and-left-shoulder photo portrait of 50-year-old Lewis
C.S. Lewis aged 50
Born Clive Staples Lewis
29 November 1898
Belfast, Ireland
Died 22 November 1963 (aged 64)
Oxford, England
Occupation Novelist, scholar, broadcaster
Genres Fantasy, science fiction, Christian apologetics, children's literature
Notable work(s) The Chronicles of Narnia
Mere Christianity
The Allegory of Love
The Screwtape Letters
The Space Trilogy
Till We Have Faces
Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life
Spouse(s) Joy DavidmanArtful Dodger:

JungleBurger: []_ [[]] []_

My nic says I am only me. Don't let the spacing confuse you. If your nic is none of my business, then how can something as personal as a belief in God be any of yours? hhhm?

sorry, but I don't assume every friendly face I see rests upon a friendly head.

Artful Dodger: you drive a cab?

Übergeek 바둑이: the bigger question is, What does being "created in God's image" mean? Forget about if it's true for the moment. What is meant by the statement?

Iamon lyme: No, you're still me. It was nice to see you back which is why I stopped by to say hello. As you can see, my games are down to 8 and I've played here a lot less. Coincidentally, you showed up shortly after my regular attendance here declined. The theorists here will use their logic skill and make their usual conclusion. BTW, I'm not even sure I know what he means by biological mechanics. I know something of car mechanics though. ;/

JungleBurger: I say a lot of stuff that's been said before. I'm starting to wonder if there is anything that has never been said.

You strike me as someone who was maybe raised in a particular denomination, but doesn't quite buy into it. You refered to God as him or her. If I refered to you as either being a him or a her, would you be able to tell me if it was one or the other? The reason I ask is because someone who doesn't believe in His existence will assume any discussion of him is like doing thought experiments. Like, "hhhhmmm I wonder how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

I'm not really picking on you, just trying to understand where you are coming from. There are so called Christian priests and theologins who don't know if there really is a God or not, and it's never occured to them to open that door I mentioned before. Everyone acts on faith, every day. It just takes more faith to peek around some corners than it does to, say, believe gravity will always achor you to the earth and not take a day off from doing that.

A better example is explorers who go places no one has been to before. It's easier to believe what you see every day than to believe in the existence of someplace you (personally) have never gone to.

Iamon lyme: School's out. Not that I'm a teacher but I've more business driving cab these days.

Iamon lyme: ahhhhh, I remember it well.

Iamon lyme: What is a Iamon lyme? Did you mess up and missed placed adding an "E" and "I"? :)

Sorry, My nic on here LOL? isn't that my business? :)

Iamon lyme: "Sometimes you have to believe there could be something on the other side of a door"

I agree that there is an after life when your body die's, I believe in that strongly.

I wondered that's all about you I thought I'd heard that saying before from somewhere else. :)

JungleBurger: The answer to your question was in the statement above it. I believed whatever I wanted to believe.

I didn't distinguish between what I wanted to believe and reality.. which is another way of saying I wasn't being honest with myself. Of course, atheists don't do this because they are honest intellectuals who need our help to understand how dangerous it is to not believe as they do. That was a mouthful, try saing that after taking a big bite from your Jungle Burger! No no no, just kidding! If you do that you'll get Jungle Burger all over your keyboard.

JungleBurger: You still haven't answered my question. Why did you ask me if I wrote what I wrote? I obviously 'wrote' it, I'm the only one sitting here writing this stuff, so it's obvious that you meant something else. by the way, if you don't want to answer that, then no worries about that from me either. ;)

What is a Jungle Burger? I'm just guessing here, but are you a vegetarian? Or vegan? Is that why it's call "Jungle"?

You ask what made me think He exists. That is not an easy one to answer. I asked Him, "If you exist then let me know." He let me know. There is no way I can prove that to you, so it's really not an answer you can hang your hat on.

Sometimes you have to believe there could be something on the other side of a door, otherwise why would anyone bother to open it? See what I mean?

Iamon lyme: What did he tell you to believe? if you don't mind me asking? :)

Iamon lyme: As long as you're happy and nobody gets hurt , go nuts

The Col: I'm not being hard on myself. I can talk about the past me and be honest about him, because I'm not him anymore. The past me believed whatever he wanted to believe. He would have voted for Obama, and based on nothing more than liking his style. The right side of my brain believed I was an intellectual because that's what I wanted to believe. If the left side of my brain objected to anything I would just ignore it.

I would like to believe that all changed due to age and experience, and maybe that contributes to the change, but experience tells me otherwise.

I'm not an unhappy guy. If anything, I'm a little bit too happy.. ha ha

Iamon lyme: What made you think that he exists?
Sorry if that is a personal Q so ignore if not wanting to answer :) no worries.

Iamon lyme: "ohhhhhhh, I'm having too much fun with this, I need to go take a nap"

Good ;) maybe we can talk more about the almighty guy or girl up in the Sky.

Lets Pray hmm :)

God is with our holy Tem--ple,
God is with us night and day...
God is with....our holy Tem--ple
Pray with me and end our day,
Like you saaaay
Like you say. ;)

Iamon lyme: Don't be so hard on yourself

The Col: So are you saying belief in God is a choice? If God doesn't exist, then he doesn't need to be your cup of tea. If He does exist, you can't just will him away and pretend he either doesn't exist or He only exists in a form your imagination allows.

If you are convinced that he doesn't exist, as I did at one time, I wouldn't even bother talking to someone like me. My past me wouldn't give the present me the time of day. I don't respond to things I don't believe exist.

Iamon lyme: I'm not a believer in the "classic" God figure.I also don't feel that if "God" isn't your cuppa tea in regards to worship, a substitute must be found

JungleBurger: I was just going to say yes. I suppose that's all I would have had to say. But I wanted to know why you were asking.

JungleBurger: Did I write it? Yes, I wrote it.

Do you mean to ask if this is a quote I pulled from somewhere? No. I just sat down and wrote it. (V) inspired it, so I guess he's entitled to some credit.
Hip Hip Hurrah! Way to go (V)!

In fact, now that I think about, I could write a book based on the theology of atheism. I'll call it Lord of the Tools. Don't need to send it to a publisher, I'll just send it out telepathically. The aliens showed me how to do that. They are controling me, and Bush controls them, so it really IS all his fault!

ohhhhhhh, I'm having too much fun with this, I need to go take a nap. This place is addicting.

Iamon lyme: A yes or No answer wouldn't hurt would it? :)

The Col: Most atheists do not know what worship is. That is why they are able to direct worship at an object that necessarily honors them instead of God. They become the objects of their own worship, but like I say, since they aren't very clear on what worship actually is, they can easily dismiss the idea they are directing any kind of worship towards anything. When you find youself worshiping your own creation (a tool for instance) then you are actually just worshipiing yourself.

Übergeek 바둑이: I was contrasting one belief with another. I thought that was obvious.

If you think my idea of what atheists believe is a straw man argument, you have no where to go with that... because if you were being honest about it, you would see it as one straw man army opposing another. Frankly, I'm tired of listening to people who do not believe in God telling Christians what they think, when it's obvious to most Christians that what they are hearing is nonsense.

If it don't look like a duck, walk like a duck, or sound like a duck, then it's probably not a duck.

Iamon lyme: When have you ever seen a tool that resembles a human being? or is your statement too eclectic for my simple mind