(V): Such as? Oh yeah that's right, you don't provide evidence for your claims. You just say it as if it's really true.

(V): Facts are stubborn things. But if you like straws please, continue to grasp.

Jack: I know... That's why I found it rather hypocritical.

(V): PBS is the last news service in America that is not sucking up to big money. Their ratings skyrocketed when Bill Moyers came back out of retirement. He gives good honest commentary.

Republicans in America are known for their religious bigotry using religion to support their phony agenda.

Bernice: Hey.. I'm not the one who posts twisted figures!!

Fox objecting to Obama using scripture in Tax cuts push.

.. Will they complain about Republicans using the Bible to validate their anti gay/pro life stances?

Übergeek 바둑이: We've got 13 news channels available, plus a few specialist (business/parliament) ...

Good to have a range.

The reporting on Fox is based upon brash headline style graphics and slogans. The same he used to help influence peoples opinions in the UK to get them to support whoever sucked upto him the most come election time.

Bernice: So the figures are usless and meaningless?

What was the point of putting them in an album and posting them then?

I know I C&P.. everyone does here. Art mainly

Artful Dodger: PBS is more trusted.

"As of January 2011, the Democratic Party-affiliated Public Policy Polling reports that Fox News Channel is the second-most trusted television news network in the country, with 42% of respondents reporting they trust the network, compared to other major news channels (behind PBS which stands at 50%, and ahead of NBC at 41%, CNN at 40%, CBS at 36%, and ABC at 35%). Simultaneously, Fox News Channel is also ranked the most distrusted news channel in the country, with 46% of respondents reporting they distrust the network (behind PBS at 30%, NBC at 41%, and CNN, CBS, and ABC each at 43%)."

"A leaked memo from Fox News vice president Bill Sammon to the News staff during the height of the debate over Health care reform in the United States has been cited as an example of the pro-Republican party bias of Fox News. His memo asked the staff to "use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible." This memo was sent shortly after Republican pollster Frank Luntz advised Sean Hannity on his Fox show that: "If you call it a public option, the American people are split," he explained. "If you call it the government option, the public is overwhelmingly against it."[54]"

Bernice: Yes.. it doesn't collect moss. It's also at that size very hard to stop. One can re use phrases. Such as our politicians who went through a big phase of saying "real".

btw.. don't you check figures before using them? Seeing as you represented them as being meaningful and good.

Übergeek 바둑이: Interesting isn't it that FNC is the most popular cable news outlet but it, as you say, slants left. That ought to speak volumes to you leftys but you ignore the obvious. Could it possibly be that Fox presents a fair and balanced view of issues. Even Hannity has regular liberal contributors. O'Reilly has them on every day and they rarely agree with him. You don't get the diversity of opinion on the other broadcasts. People watch Fox because they trust it. Sad for you that you have to resort to a dishonest appraisal of Fox so that your ideology can be pampered.

(V): you've become boring again

Artful Dodger:

> apples to apples FNC kicks butt ALL DAY LONG

Sounds like a great ad! Do you work for FNC, or hold stock in the company? That kidn of love comes only from somebody with a vested interest in FNC.

Well, of course, ratings is no indication of quality. Lots of people love MacDonald's. It does not mean that MacDonald's is good food, or nutritious food.

How should news be measured? Quality? Quantity? Popularity?

I find that if I want better news with more balanced reporting, then I have to see several channels to get a more complete picture. I never watch CNN or Fox. Simply because their view of the world is given through the narrow looking glass of American centrist and right-wing politics. It does not mean that they are bad networks. I just don't find their way of reporting appealing to me.

Likewise, I am sure the reporting in other channels leave a lot to be desired to other people. It is all colored by people's personal opinions.

I watch BBC News but I find a distinct pro-weswtern slant in their reporting. They are not left-leaning (as some people might want to believe). I find that they do chime of the neo-liberal ideology of modern western politics.

I watch RT (Russian television) news which has a less Eurocentric and Western-centric view. I find that they report much better in things that the western media tries to hide. A good example is their reporting of the rising sectarian violence in Lybia, something that western news media are playing down. While the western media gives a pro-western view of the situation in Syria, RT is giving what I feel is a more balanced view.

Sometimes I watch CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) news. I find them entirely western-centric and neo-liberal in their views, but they are far from left-leaning as some people might claim.

I rarely see Al Jazeera. I find them a souped up (or down?) version of BBC news.

Well, Fox might have high ratings, but I do not necessarily agree with their right-wing slant. That is just me, because I am a left winger. Those who agree with Fox will naturally defend their reporting.

Bernice:

Not all of the data in that chart is right. It was not collected by an independent monitor of the economy, and it is not corroborated. Just of the top of my head I can see the employment picture being wrong. The Bush administration finished with 9.9% unemployment. I know, because I follow the stock and futures markets and employment is one of the main movers of the financial markets. It says a lot that the graph is labelled "Mr. Conservative".

rod03801: .. 2 seconds... How many did McCain say?

(V): He claimed he could

Bernice: And those kinda figures are what's bad in the world. Distorted snapshots for people who they hope have no memory or education.

Here, we get educated to know you just can't stop a rolling stone the size of a medium mountain.

Bernice: Oh no Obama is not Moses and can stop the momentum of a broken economy falling in 2 seconds flat. Especially with all those lobbyist groups saying "no no no"

Artful Dodger: Politics ((V), 2012-02-01 22:43:20)

Bernice: People like Jack just can't get over the fact that Fox is successful because it's fair and honest. So they like to attack it in as many ways as they can even to the point of making things up (see Jack's previous posts for examples).

Jack: Who gives a stuff about FOX....only one other it seems....I found those figures and put them there for AD to see.

Austan Goolsbee says current recovery beats job creation record of George W. Bush recovery

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/austan-goolsbee/austan-goolsbee-says-current-recovery-beats-job-cr/

Bernice: You need to put up some figures FOX didn't spin off from Bush to Obama.

Bernice: Great post. That bum has to go.

Jules you'd never survive the no spin zone.

FNC = Fox NEWS (news...get it??) Channel.

News

news

not sitcoms

news

it's always been about news

news = apples

apples to apples FNC kicks butt ALL DAY LONG



The others (especially CBS) --->

2. February 2012, 18:33:29
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for Tuesday, February 1, 2012
P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
Total Day
FNC 1,190 317 565

CNN 409 135 174
MSNBC 490 123 213
CNBC 194 55 106
FBN 61 13 28
HLN 235 68 118

Primetime P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC 2,389 536 1,024

CNN 675 225 296
MSNBC 1,002 234 442
CNBC 265 93 112
FBN 51 16 30
HLN 398 82 199

Net Morning programs (6-9 AM) P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC FOX & Friends 1,039 323 584

CNN Early Start/Starting Point 217 87 107
MSNBC Morning Joe 419 149 216
CNBC Squawk Box 156 55 111
HLN Morning Express w/ Meade 246 106 144

Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC FIVE, THE 1,755 465 812

CNN Situation Room 583 119 179
MSNBC Hardball WITH C. MATTHEWS 830 146 280
CNBC FAST MONEY 235 41 109
HLN HLN SPECIAL REPORT 227 24 68

Net 6PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC SPECIAL RPT W/BRET BAIER 1,862 423 760

CNN John King USA 498 156 204
MSNBC POLITICS NATION 875 183 334
CNBC Mad Money 208 63 118
HLN Prime News 258 58 107

Net 7PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC The Fox Report W/S.SMITH 1,815 455 830

CNN ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT 440 180 209
MSNBC Hardball WITH C. MATTHEWS 981 257 437
CNBC Kudlow Report 168 54 90
HLN ISSUES 330 91 200

Net 8PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC THE OREILLY FACTOR 3,302 667 1,292

CNN Anderson Cooper 360 554 178 236
MSNBC Ed Show 1,045 231 458
CNBC M. ZUCKERBERG: INSIDE FB 227 64 96
HLN Nancy Grace 535 109 268

Net 9PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC Hannity 2,058 480 916

CNN Piers Morgan Tonight 819 266 360
MSNBC Rachel Maddow Show 1,054 249 470
CNBC AMERICAN GREED 313 116 115
HLN Dr. Drew 392 85 188

Net 10PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC ON THE RECORD W/GRETA 1,805 459 861

CNN Anderson Cooper 360 651 229 291
MSNBC Last Word W/ L. ODONNELL 903 220 396
CNBC AMERICAN GREED 256 99 125
HLN Nancy Grace 282 55 151

Net 11PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC THE OREILLY FACTOR 1,226 463 675

CNN ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT 330 129 161
MSNBC Ed Show 557 117 264
CNBC Mad Money 152 86 99
HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 361 128

Artful Dodger: But it is not one program.

Jack: We just lump them all into one. The BBC is a broadcaster, it has several channels showing different programs. Two, are aimed at news and politics with the news as well as opinion and interviews, ITV .. the same. C4 .. the same, Sky.... the same (Murdoch owned broadcaster) ... and we go on.

Sky, C4, BBC, ITV are all classed as broadcasters. Some use cable, some through fibre, some through satellite, some via aerial and then there is their internet sites, showing films, making films, new shows, news, cookery, and various repeats, series links, games, competitions, bingo (we are British!!), cleaning tips (how to make your own cleaners), consumer information, etc, etc, etc.

... But regardless of whether it is a subsidiary in name.. such as a builders I did the accounts for who had one central company and several subsidiary companies.. In the end. It all ends up one one central accounts report, as they are all owned by that one main business. This is law, legal, financial and 9 tenths... that is.. 9 tenths of the law is to do with property in it's various versions...eg fixed and liquid assets, depreciation, contracts, etc.

Also..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14030051


Hope it shows

(V): You just don't like the fact that Fox is the number one new cable program beating out all others including the regular networks. CBS is dead last. Facts are stubborn things.

(V): FOX in America is a registered entertainment service not a media outlet.

Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-02-01 05:35:32)

This in itself is wrong even if stiscking to Fox news. The others DO pull in millions.

No...

Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-01-30 16:29:07)
Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-01-31 16:15:30)
Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-02-01 05:35:32)

(V): CBS isn't a cable network. And in my original post, I said "Fox is the number one cable news program in the US for TEN years"

When one refers to Fox cable they are talking news because that's all fox runs on that network. Fox cable differs from it's regular network.

Artful Dodger: You said Fox... you quoted a certain % of the population.

btw.. where was I baiting?

"FOX is the most popular cable network anywhere."

Fox news is just 3 million max at out 99 million viewers. So 96 million are watching other things.

It has created a niche as a conservative network per Murdoch's schemes.

(V): And CBS is DEAD LAST in news ratings. Fox is number one. Did I mention that it's been number one for TEN YEARS???

(V): Nice bait and switch. When you're losing an argument, it's only natural that you'd try to "fix" things. But in my original post I CLEARLY said cable news.

"Fox is the number one cable news program in the US for TEN years and it will only continue to climb. MSNBC is in the pits and CNN is second by way down on the list. I love that people whine about Fox but that FOX is the most popular cable network anywhere. Oh yeah, Bill O'Reilly smashes the competition in his time slot all the time. Most Fox programs dominate. Even the liberals love to watch Fox."

This is the fact you tried to dispute. Now you're changing things because you have no case.

Artful Dodger: Same company.

Shall I go on.  

and what of the 5-17's and 50+ people.

Who hasn't seen a nice bit of sweets lined up at a till waiting for 2.4 children to get there.

.. Is Bill gates and the other 400 richest people (who earn as much as the bottom 50%) in the USA under 50?

<span><span>Fox News Channel is celebrating a milestone. The end of January marks 10 years since it eclipsed CNN as the top-rated cable news network, a status it has not relinquished.<span> Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes said he was “extremely proud” of the achievement and recognizes how difficult it is to sustain such a level of success.

(V): I'm talking news. Fox cable doesn't run Idol. Two different Fox channels. And when you compare apples to apples, Fox wins. Deal with it.

Jack:

""The closure of a newspaper with a history of 160-some odd years history is something that is a grave thing and something that is a serious matter of regret for us, for the company. But much more serious than that is the seriousness of the violation of privacy, the hurt that certain individuals at the News of the World caused to the victims of illegal voicemail interceptions and their families. "

James Murdoch on the closing of the NOTW paper. His Dad states "It's just 1% of the NI empire", not institutional. But now the Sun, the Times, his use of papers as a system of controlling politicians.
... but the real reason for the closure was the advertisers deserting the paper like rats and a sinking ship. Like Glenn Beck it became toxic.

.. parad "If you are my friend, I will help you if you help me." .. thus the papers switched from supporting Labour and the Conservative party entirely based on what benefited Murdoch and his EmPiRe.

... though on a brighter note one tax cheat stated he did not intend to defraud the tax man... yet he had an offshore account in his dogs name, not his own.

.. The case is in court.

......Hislop is asked why Private Eye is not part of the Press Complaints Commission.

He says that ethics are "self-evident", adding: "contempt of court is illegal; phone tapping is illegal; police taking money is illegal … the fact these laws were not rigorously enforce is due the ... interaction of the police and News International."

.......Hislop is asked about the PCC.

He says the "Street of Shame" section is two pages criticising newspapers, so he doesn't have much confidence in a body on which a number of newspaper editors sit.

He admits it is "a bit embarrassing" that the only other major publisher who isn't in the PCC is Richard Desmond. Hislop also has an issue with the balance of editors on the PCC and "News International's influence" on the body.

.....Hislop says that the Murdoch family are "deeply embedded in our top class", a situation he says gave the News of the World "unbounded confidence to do as it liked".

If the prime minister appoints the former News of the World editor as his communications director, News International will think 'We are top of the pile, nothing can stop us.'

(V):

The centre of <span>Rupert Murdoch's
British newspaper clean-up operation is an unimposing set of offices in
a corner of the company's campus in Wapping, east London.

It is here that the
scarred reputation and the future of Murdoch's UK newspaper titles may
be rescued or broken for good. The chairman and chief executive of <span>News Corp says he has entrusted the operation, known as the Management and Standards Committee (<span>MSC),
to investigate the details of phone-hacking and alleged police bribery
by his London tabloids and prevent such events from happening again.

http://news.yahoo.com/insight-inside-rupert-murdochs-uk-newspaper-clean-operation-095026925.html

Artful Dodger: Because of American Idol? A Syco production!!

Well that format is going to last

.. Yet overall the data as listed says Fox is no. 2 losing out to CBS by 1.3 million last week

Bwild:

Bernice: Most don't like the fact that Fox dominates the ratings. So since the left cant have the ratings, the settle for the ratings.

Artful Dodger: in "theory" nothing is perfect yet all things are possible.

Artful Dodger: won't make an ounce of difference