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2. Oktober 2010, 23:21:06
Mort 
Sounds like if you have a big business and like to trample on the little people.. move your business to the USA!!

2. Oktober 2010, 23:19:37
Mort 
Thema: Re: that is why we are truly a free country
Vikings: Really?

It sounds like the only free 'people' are the big companies who you'll let trample all over you anytime, anyplace.. anywhere..... As long as local law says it's ok.. even if they might be bought (as has happened in the past)... you have no rights but to lobby (timely) or move.

.. That's really great... NOT!!

2. Oktober 2010, 23:10:16
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Verändert von Vikings (2. Oktober 2010, 23:10:49)
(V): it's obvious that you don't understand the meaning of the UNITED STATES, Each state has the right to make up their own own laws, you see the constitution was designed to protect us, the citizens, from the federal government over reaching it's authority, that is why we are truly a free country

2. Oktober 2010, 23:05:26
Mort 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Vikings: Within the law?? Now you are saying you can trespass and affect mob rule on a business.

"local business here have been run out of town by not being citizen friendly."

What happened to free speech??

2. Oktober 2010, 23:02:04
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Verändert von Vikings (2. Oktober 2010, 23:03:11)
(V): and since you have brought this example up, look at New York, they are loosing many of their highest tax base because they do not like what the local government is doing and the town will suffer untill the will of the people have worked their magic

2. Oktober 2010, 22:59:09
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Verändert von Vikings (2. Oktober 2010, 22:59:25)
(V): bussiness have the right to do whatever is within the law,you are twisting it all around, local business here have been run out of town by not being citizen friendly.

and I wouldn't want to live in such a corrupt town , they wouldn't be getting my tax money for long, as it is my right to live where I want to live

2. Oktober 2010, 22:50:33
Mort 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Vikings: IF it did happen you are powerless you are saying... I mean, some councilmen might have a nice job lined up after via the advertising company and not give a damn. Lobbying can take a while...

.. basically it sounds like you are saying businesses have the right to do whatever and your rights don't matter as it's a business?

2. Oktober 2010, 22:45:37
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
(V): That won;t liklely happen as even city councilmen like to be re-elected, and that wouldn't be very likely the case once you brought it up to the attention of the local media, but if that wasn't to be the case, you'd have the right to put up with it or move or lobby against it

2. Oktober 2010, 22:41:51
Mort 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Vikings: So if the local gov was bought out ... then what?

2. Oktober 2010, 22:40:18
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
(V): yes you can, it is called local jurisdiction, a city ordinance which is different
but you were talking about the federal government not local government, try again

2. Oktober 2010, 22:38:17
Mort 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Vikings: Ok.. but someone could if they wanted to place an advert 100 feet tall (with permission of the land owners) opposite your house selling say.. "Obama healthcare works" in neon lights.. and you can't do anything?

2. Oktober 2010, 22:35:10
Vikings 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
(V): it is a criminal offense here, the severity depends on the situation, ie. inside or outside

2. Oktober 2010, 22:30:46
Mort 
Thema: Re: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing,
Vikings: Isn't trespassing in the USA a civil offence like here in the UK.

ie sellers can still knock.. especially if they have no morals... which isn't unusual considering past records on what they will try and get upto.

2. Oktober 2010, 22:19:17
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: I agree it's tasteless, just like flag burning and mosques 2 blocks from ground zero.
Our constitution never guaranteed that anything would be easy

2. Oktober 2010, 22:18:34
Mort 
Verändert von Mort (2. Oktober 2010, 22:28:42)
Advert just on UK TV.....

A blonde woman dancing with moves suggesting the injection of drugs... she speaks claiming she is our addiction for a perfume who's name is based on opium.

Gee.. why not not just name it Eu da heroin!!

2. Oktober 2010, 22:16:57
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: I am posting a sign that warns of trespassing, just like you can do by turning the chanel or complaining and boycotting that particular channel

2. Oktober 2010, 22:14:33
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: Unfortunately, it also means that some whako church group can stand outside a funeral of a fallen soldier and spew tasteless messages

2. Oktober 2010, 22:11:45
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: Yes, unless I post clearly a "No soliciting" sign. And that happens all the time, every time someone makes news, the media camp out on that persons lawn until the story no longer fills their needs

2. Oktober 2010, 22:08:41
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: First it was free speech.. now it's "speech".

Make up your mind!!

2. Oktober 2010, 22:07:51
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: selling is a right, it is in the constitution, it's called THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

2. Oktober 2010, 22:06:14
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
(V): if you look it up on wikipedia you would find out that it was in fact judges that took that right away
and tell me how a comercial is not a form of speech, you can't

2. Oktober 2010, 22:04:24
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: Its a privilage to drive, its a privilage to purchase a t.v., its a right to talk

2. Oktober 2010, 22:02:07
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: They were talking about free speech not adverts... you have given NO proof, just an opinion.

That.. in the past adverts have been subject to legislation does suggest that you are wrong regardless of your stance of "free speech". As such, it is selling, not speaking or having an opinion.

2. Oktober 2010, 22:00:13
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: apples and oranges, first of all it is up to the states to impliment the drivers liscense and laws. next I'm not aware as to where in the constitution that would be covered

2. Oktober 2010, 21:57:33
Vikings 
You have touch on something very important, the first amendment doesn't require you to listen to those advertisements which goes right back to rods point

2. Oktober 2010, 21:55:55
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
(V): you have given an opinion of your point of view. I haven given you proof that your opinion is just that your opinion(but free speech) and that it is a right of free speech, The amendment doesn't say "except when someone has an opinion as to what is free speech"

2. Oktober 2010, 21:53:04
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday: I like to pause a prog as it starts.. then fast forward past the ads.

2. Oktober 2010, 21:51:26
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: I already have explained my position. You are disagreeing stating it's free speech.. well then. Explain yourself.

If you are just exploiting a bit of the constitution to defend your point.. then just say so.

2. Oktober 2010, 21:49:05
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Tuesday:Having a T.V. is not a right, nobody forced you to purchase it, I agree it is annoying tho

2. Oktober 2010, 21:47:50
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
(V): You send a signal to your nerve in your throat and that makes a muscle reverberate and noise comes out and whala speech is formed and that is deemed free by the first admendment

you explain how it is not

2. Oktober 2010, 21:43:41
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: Adverts are free speech?? Explain how please.

2. Oktober 2010, 21:42:22
Vikings 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
(V): it's called free speech!

2. Oktober 2010, 21:41:58
Vikings 
Thema: Re:
Tuesday: to sue the government

2. Oktober 2010, 21:40:54
Mort 
Thema: Re: It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
Vikings: I see nothing about TV ads mentioned in your quote. Nothing at all.

2. Oktober 2010, 21:33:27
Vikings 
It's not opinion it's fact, and it is covered in the constitution
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is just another example of judges illegally making law

2. Oktober 2010, 20:51:47
Mort 
Thema: Re:NO, and that's EXACTLY the point. The constitution had NOTHING about anything as silly as that
rod03801: So being as it's not there either way on TV and radio, it's just an opinion that it's not supposed to "insert itself into such matters." .. But then again.. ain't you guys in the USA had rules on things that can be shown on TV, especially regarding sex, foul language and Saturday morning TV?

Which implies that the gov does have some right.

As for money talks. Please.. we are talking about companies that were happy to use subliminal messaging in adverts... is that still legal?

2. Oktober 2010, 20:44:56
rod03801 
Thema: Re:his is NOT something the federal government should be concerned with.
(V): NO, and that's EXACTLY the point. The constitution had NOTHING about anything as silly as that, because it's not supposed to insert itself into such matters.

Doesn't need to be legal either. People could stop doing business with the offending parties. Money talks.

2. Oktober 2010, 20:37:45
Mort 
Thema: Re:his is NOT something the federal government should be concerned with.
rod03801: So the original constitution had rules about TV and radio??

"straightened out with the people on our OWN level."

Through the legal system which takes how many years?

We have OFCOM in the UK.

2. Oktober 2010, 20:22:03
rod03801 
Thema: Re:they have time to bother with stupid stuff like that?
(V): No, I wouldn't say so. I tend to take a more "old fashioned" view on what our Federal govt is supposed to do. As the founders intended, it is supposed to be very limited. This is NOT something the federal government should be concerned with. State? MAYBE, but even then. This is something that could be straightened out with the people on our OWN level. NOT by wasting my tax money. If they ONLY dealt with things that they were INTENDED to deal with, they could possibly do a better job at THOSE things. (I doubt it though. Anything the federal government butts into, they mess up and do it non-economically)

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