hmm...that'd be where your opponent put them? :-)

Where do you see five in a line?

Do you mean This game?

This has been happening to lots of people it seems lately - you win a game (or a game finishes) and it still goes to your opponent. I had one game of Spider Line4 where i placed 4 in a row, and it was my opponent's turn for a few minutes before it realized i'd won. Hopefully he'll look at it soon.

It could depend on what kind of WebTV you had - i heard something about older units loading even smaller pages than newer ones.

I think I heard that WebTV can't load regular Pente or Keryo-Pente, which is why Fencer created Small Pente and Small Keryo-Pente (13x13 instead of 19x19). I'm not sure what you can do if neither of you can open it! Probably message Fencer and he'll help you :-)

The only thing i could think of is to try and refresh it - but i really am not familiar with any form of webTV, so i can't really help ;-)

That would be Game number 108316. Even if you can't access the page, you can find the game number: if you look at the address that appears at the bottom of the window when you hold your mouse over the link, it will say "http://www.brainking.com/showgame?g=#####" Where the numbers represent the game number. If you are on webTV and do not have anything like that, i'm sorry :-)
I can access it fine - what does it do when you click on it...anything?

Nope, wouldn't be a big change - you'd just have the additional checks in 8 directions to see if the player's stones are captured.

No problem! But just so you know, you can change the date to sign up at any time you want, and even when that date passes, the tournament will not start until you start it! I assume it just will not let you start it before then, but i haven't tried, so i wouldn't know :-)

I have asked Fencer about the moving tournaments along when a winner has been decided already, and he said he was working on it, but would not implement it without heavy testing (which is understandable). The way Gary has set up the tournament, it is one game for two players. When he set it up, he could have made it 2...i'm not sure if he can change it now though.

Sorry about that Thad...that would have been me (and not my opponent). I didn't know you were in a hurry to finish! Now you just have to get through round 2 ;-) Good luck!

I haven't claimed to present any other reasons supporting the 13x13 board. You have, however, claimed several times that the 13x13 board is WRONG and there is no reason for it. Yes, i realize this was before it was brought up that WebTV users need the smaller board to play. Are you now claiming that the 13x13 board is acceptable on this site for that reason?

I'll give you an example of the game i know - Line4. Everywhere i have played it, an 8x8 board has been used. I have become used to this size of a board, and would probably be lost with a different sized board. However, it would not bother me in the least to play it on a different sized board - 10x10, 6x6, 7x11, whatever. I would like to try these games to see how they work. If the game is completely different, what's wrong with that? It can still be a worthwhile game to play.

samwise: I never claimed to be good at pente, no did i claim to know the game well. Even so, i agree with you in regards to the opening restriction. The advantage is quite obvious without it for the first player. But as Dmitri has confirmed, very few games would be confined by the edges if played on a 13x13 board. And especially against new players, the edge will not be a factor. So besides it not being invented that way, none of you have said why a 13x13 board is "wrong".

Dmitri: I do trust players with experience, and i believe you, samwise and Gary are all very experienced. If any of you can come up with a good reason why a 13x13 board is "wrong" (besides it not being invented that way) for casual competition, i will gladly support it. But for now, i see nothing wrong with playing on a 13x13 board.

Yes, everyone was who played at IYT was affected (especially those who were unaware of the correct rules). I am not against the opening restriction, from what i hear it at least shrinks player 1's advantage. What i don't understand is why you are so opposed to the 13x13 game. Yes, i know, you have said it was not invented that way, and was meant to be played on a 19x19 board. Of all the games of Pente ever played, what percent do you think would have been any different if played on a 13x13 board instead (like the edge would have been in the way with the smaller board)? I would guess very few, and of those games, i would guess almost all of them were 2 very experienced players.

Ok, you are right, that statement doesn't really peove anything. But what i have noticed is that no one is complaining except the serious pente players. But as Fencer said, he is trying to please everyone (or as many as possible) on this site. This site does support the classic version of Pente, as well as this other version (call it what you want). Even though it is not right, players coming from IYT may be accustomed to this 13x13 version with no restriction, and may wish to continue playing it. Why not let them?

samwise: First, there has been a discussion about this...Dmitri King agrees with you, and so do a few others. However, if you do not like or agree with the game, do not play it. There are many people here who do not take their games very seriously, and will play a game with "illegal moves" and "incorrect rules". Also, i heard the larger 19x19 board does not load properly on web-tv, so now they can play Pente as well.

Reversi, halma and go are all played on different sized boards (although go is not supported here as of yet). I am aware that playing pente on a different sized board does not change anything like it does in those. Was just clarifying that there are games that are played on different sized boards.

What i would like to know is why these exact same posts appear on two seperate boards? :-) Even though it does apply to both Pente and Keryo, it does not need to be on both, especially not exactly the same posts.