Dolittle: oohh thanks dolittle:)

BananaD: she's back home, reckon she's a okay

my next door neighbor was just taken away in an ambulence...her husband got in it with her

please say prayers for my friend who was recently burglarized in her apartment. Her secret name is j.

Radiant Aunt: Sorry radiant, I answered this privately, but for those on the board there were no casualties. Happy Cinco de Mayo!

I arise today through
God's strength to pilot me,
God's might to uphold me,
God's wisdom to guide me,
God's eye to see before me,
God's ear to hear me,
God's word to speak for me,
God's hand to guard me,
God's way to lie before me,
God's shield to protect me,
God's host to secure me-
against snares of devils,
against temtations and vices,
against inclinations of nature,
against everyone who shall wish me ill, afar and anear,
alone and in a crowd...
Christ, be with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me
Christ on my right, Christ on my left, Christ where I lie, Christ where I sit,
Christ where I arise, Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.
Salvation is of the Lord.
Salvation is of the Lord,
Salvation is of the Christ.
May your salvation, O Lord, be ever with us.

Radiant Aunt: most definately

ahh...its on the ground...its all okay..phew!b thanks

yes right now 600 pm

plane in the air with 2 tires blown tryong to make an emergency landing out here in texas...please say some prayers for them...

"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Matthew 27:46
About the 9th hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"-which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

interesting the parallel between Psalm 22 and the final words of Jesus.
Like elisha feeding the masses, and jesus feeding the masses....
or jonah in the whale...jesus died...three days and three nights...

not really for discussion, just wanted to note something to think about.

----Horse

Fwiffo: better to die on our feet than live on our kness.
---Light Brigade

Radiant Aunt: may the lord be with you both

Radiant Aunt: maybe ask fencer...?

Radiant Aunt: ohh....ooops...
Tuesday: sorry maybe I wasn't wrong...:S

Tuesday: ooohhh...i SEE...there's already a religious debate board...oops..my error:S

Tuesday: *chuckle* most religion boards turn to bickering, unfortuately
litle spiritual sharing involved....pms are the best route

Radiant Aunt: you are right radiant...sorry about that:)I reckon we got carried away;)

Tuesday: It will be someone whom the world would worship...lots of charisma...but I'd imagine him to be both convincing to some of his enemies...but of terrifying worldly power through those who follow him for his enemies

Tuesday: the people of the world will worship the beast and he will give power...
I do not think it will be a "peaceful ruler" ...but it is possible

Radiant Aunt: chapter 13 is one of the most detailed versions of the beast rise to power and rule, don't forget however that a lot of symbolism in revelations also reflects eziekial...and jeremiah

Tuesday: it will be in the future, if it is not here now

6-6-6
sixth seal, sixth trumpet,sixth angel...?
revelation 13:18

666=sixth seal,sixth trumpet...etc..not a name

Tuesday: don't forget the rule of the beast before the end...

Tuesday: peace does not mean that there will be no poor...and the end will come at a day and an hour that no man will know.

whatdidyousay:
Jesus said that there will always be those who are poor.
But I agree, the people of the book should be at peace with one another.

Nirvana, my condolences

happy easter all:)

POETCOMPOSER: Happy Chanuka and love chess, think I will;)

http://www.torah.org/yomtov/chanukah/5755/vol1no61.htm

Radiant Aunt:
Relax...Happy Holidays can mean anything from a combined Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to a whatever you are celebrating greeting (hanucka does begin on the 25th this year)...one wayor another it is a well wishing to others. Even Christmas trees owe their origin to Queen Victorias husband who brought the tradition over from Germany...from past pagan rituals. Christ was born in summer, yet we celebrate his birth on the Day that Mithras' birthday had been traditionally celebrated on...Rome's way of squashing Mithras. Christmas is going nowhere. WHat is important is that we use this time to remember Christ and his birth. (okay the book of Matthew makes him about 3 when the Magi show up with gifts, but the exchange of gifts remember there part in his life as well). What is important is that we share the time with our loved ones and remember Christ. Happy holidays or Merry Christmas doesn't change what you celebrate. Many athiests even celebrate Christmas and call it Christmas. TV ads are to Sell things, not push religion. That said and done....

Merry Christmas to you all and Happy Holidays as well. Especially to you Josietta

----Horse

Other numbers:
Road close Hotline:1800-469-4828
Military Info line:1888-777-7731
Coast guard rescue: 1800-323-7237
NO Health Department:504-658-2500
Family info:www.firstgov.gov

Large numbe of airlifts today. Gas crisis causing havock with all the refugees. Hotels from LA to Florida booked solid by refugees. Along the way gas stations out of Gas...over six hour lines of stalled cars waiting for fuel. Many stores along the route completely empty of goods. Military airlifts more than 47 flights today. Huge numbers still at convention center in NO. Heat, lack of water,lack of food,lack of diapers,lack of medicine,lack of just about everything causing deaths. The dead lying next to the living inside the dome. People still trapped inside various parts of the city.

Medical volunteers visit: www.hhs.gov, www.nih.gov, www.medicalreservecorps.gov

Shallow draft boats such as the swampers aka. fan boats perhaps the best means of transport in many parts of the city.
For more information: www.redcross.org, www.fema.gov

No matter what part of the US or even foreign aid welcome. But please go through the red cross, salvation army, and other sites I have listed. Official sites. There is a little progress, but the situation is still dire. Every prayer and every hand that helps is needed. Families are shattered, seperated, and starving. It is a tide of displaced humanity that has nowhere to go and everything they own in a single car or a single bag. If you ask what can I do? Visit the red cross sites, call the shelters...For now aid is the most important factor.

---Horse

There are about a half a million people displaced, 150,000 of them from below the poverty line. WHat's left of the city is covered not only in water and sewage, but industrial waste, corpses, etc. This is not Just about New Orleans, but also other areas like Mississippi and other parts of Louisianna that have been hit. another number is www.give.org.
Already there are scam sites on the web, so it is encouraged to make donations to the redcross website provided and other official sites here like the Salvation Army.
Remember its not just those trapped in the city that need help. One half of a million people uprooted. Food, water, etc. are needed desparately. People are fighting over supplies. In the stadium holding more than 30,000 people there was no power,no facilities, no water, and many died within that shelter with nothing done to remove the bodies. People are looting for basic needs and shooting at each other and rescue helicopters. Stealing boats from those who go in to save others and worse. It is a horrible scene where rescue workers are attacked by the very people they are trying to help. It will be years in cleaning up if ever. At least a year before any of these people return home. If they ever do. How do you get rid of the toxins? Please help in any way you can. Even the surrounding states are not equipped to help a half a million people.

Red Cross:1800-HELPNOW
Feed the Children:1800-525-7575
Salvation Army: 1800-SALARMY
websites for info:www.fema.gov, www.redcross.org

Special Needs shelters In LA:
Alexandria:1800-841-5778
Baton Rouge:1800-349-1372
Houma/Thibodeux:1800-228-940
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LaFayette: 1800-901-3210
Lake Charles:1800-280-2711
Shreveport:1800-841-5776

Monroe:1866-280-7287
Slidell/Hammond:1866-280
-7724

Parrishes in La equipped for shelter:
Allen, Aucylles,Beauregard,Bienville,Bossier,Caddo,Caldw
ell, Catahoula, Clairborne, DeSoto, E. Baton Rouge, E. Carrol, E. Feliiciana, w. Feliciana,
Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Vernon, St Landry, St Helen, Sabine, Winn, WEbster, Richland, Rapides

mississipi counties able to assist:
Covington, Forest, Hancock, Harrison, Jackson, Jefferson Davis, Jones, Lamar, Marrion, Pearl River, Stone

for telephone numbers and to file claims: http://www.iii.org/, http://www.DISASTERINFORMATION.org/

To place a message on Direct TV channel 100:
katrina@directtv.com
to post messages for loved ones: TEXT 48433

THanks,

----Horse

runningwolf: great story:D is that actually true?

please say a prayer for Rory Blackhall's family. The 11 year old boy was missing in Britain and his body seems to have been found.

Radiant Aunt:
Hey, if yer in Jersey again hit the beach and stop by the boardwalk at Wildwood:)Do some shoppin at Stone Harbor:) Visit Cape May...get some sun:) Get some hoagies:) Eat a lot of blue crabs by the bushel.
In other words, get some r&r if ya can slip it in:D

ArtfulDodger:
Amen.

ANd also may the demonstration in Scotland against debt be successful.

Pbarb2: thank you.he's doing a little better now. We were very worried there fer a bit. God Bless you all fer yer prayers and support.

:)
----horse

Radiant Aunt: Seann. Thanks Radiant;) I preciate it.

My son is sick with fevers and ear aches....please pray that he gets well soon.

Thanx,

---Horse

Radiant Aunt: don't forget:
communists,catholics...trade unionists...jehova witnesses....

Jules: great site Jules, thanx:)

for those who want ta learn more, like why the bread is dipped twice, or about pesach...

I recommend: www.torah.org

Radiant Aunt:
;)anytime Radiant.anytime.

terms: Hagada=Passover night liturgy
Kashrus=dietary laws
Tahars=laws of family purity
Jews remember in the Divrei Negidim (in the book of Exodus part)
3-fold subjugation of Israel by Egypt
1.they were in Exile (strangers in a strange land)
2.They were enslaved in exile
3.They were tortured physically and mentally
as 4 signifies completion they remember the four expressions of freedom...this fullness that is the final stage of development and made them a nation with a purpose
4 expressions of freedom (exodus 6:6-7)
God says
1. I shall take you out from your burdens of egypt
2.I shall rescue you
3.I shall redeem you
4.I shall take you to me.

In this God tells them that he will take them to him as a nation. It is at this point in time that GOd makes the Jews his chosen people.

Because of the disgrace and disrespect that Cham (Ham) showed Noach (Noah) he was cursed. His decendants the slaves of his brothers. In egypt the Jews were in effect the slaves of slaves. How much lower is there?
And God raised them up. God took them and made them his chosen people.
It is this journey, from slave to freedom and God that passover celebrates.
MAtzo represents the bread they ate as slaves and their hasty departure from egypt
Maror...the bitter herbs...to remember the bitterness of being slaves
They dip the bread twice and
recline when eating because reclining is the act of a noble man. There is the cup for Eiljah in memory that he will return.
there are 4 questions asked. THe first is:
Why is this night different from all {other} nights?
4 cups represent the 4 expressions God uttered upon freeing his people from egypt.

Also remember that it was during the sabbath that Christ was sacrificed. THere were 2 sabbaths that week. The yearly Sabbath of Passover and the weekly sabaath on saturday.

Praise the Lord, all you nations;
extol him, all you peoples.
For great is his love toward us,
and the faithfulness of the Lord endures forever.

Praise the Lord. Hallelu Yah

danoschek: I always loved that quote:)

Jules: longchempa=happy desire pope?
ship desire pope? ship envy pope?

come on...define yer teacher's name...:)

May the Lord our God be with Pope John Paul II in his rest. And may the Cardinals choose his sucessor wisely. The Pope was a good man, and a devout servant of God. Let Our Lord watch over his flock in his absence.