Foxy Lady: very sensible .but as you know despite what people say,we have very little control over our existence,. the only way to beat fatness (obesity is such a libelous word) is when the fat gene can be removed from the mix. all the dieting ,pills,tv hokem re abs machines & the like are not the answer .a band aid perhaps .but nothing more. walking & swimming is the best thngs you can do. but it won`t guarantee you`ll be slim. i`d like to change the subject if i may,rather than write another post. does anyone out there have any knowledge with a purported all purpose remedy called IBOGAINE. mook