Fencer: I think that you (as site creator) must to separate handicap and normal games (and may be rating - not rating, visible - hidden too) in view of main page. It can be by means of the insert of new columns. What is your opinion?

Fencer: No problem. If black make 1st move than weakest player have winnig position in 8 piece gandicap (white without Rook, Bishop and all Lance, Knight and Silver) after 1.P-7f 2.G-3b 3.B-6f 4.G-7b 5.Bx9c+. If white begin that they defend own position: 2.G-3b 3.P-7f 4.G-7b 5.B-6f 6.G-8b and white defend pawn on 9c.
But here can another explanation: white give material and must have compensation by doing 1st move.

Fencer: I found 1st error. White make 1st move, but not black! And game begin for recording from 2nd move.

Fencer: Thanks for new possibilities! It's very good! But how will calculate rating in gandicap games? If stong player give gandicap then the force of players is equalized. Therefore rating will calculate as players have equal rating. But it's correct not always. I not know this dependences.

takodori: I sent screenshot on yours e-mail.

takodori: I can't see moves in Japanese in left side board. There can be this and it is the reason for the fact that flash-program does not reflect motions on the board.

Habu won.

bengood24: See http://shogi.ru/ - shogi books and articles in Russian!

takodori:
After Jishogi game replay too as after sennichite?

ughaibu:
I have been playing about 8 years, but I had 1 game with sennichite and 1 game on shogidojo.com where my opponent made repeating position with check to my king above 4 times (may be 8-10 times). In last cause DOJO-applet can't judge win to me -:(.
I is agreeable, that no one's are very rare in shogi, even it is almost impossible. But you know that if something must happen, this compulsorily will occur. Rules must give to us output even from the situations, which are practically impossible. And then someone must explain this to the end.
I obtained to this forum many interesting answers, after that to all to you the many thanks.
And still I understood that shogi still have a region for the their development, while in chess these problems are already solved.

takodori:
Thanks for full and interesting answer!

But I want ask: which official rules are about Jishogi in Japan (I interested for amateur) or this rules not exist?
We create shogi rules on Russian and want know all details, which exist in Japan.

ughaibu:
Yes I read your post now. Thanks for answer. I heared about Jishogi from my friend and see your comment. But my 2nd question I hear 1st time only my friend. He readed japanese book, my be he not understood?

ughaibu:
Sennichite is 4th times repetition of position without of check, number and type of pieces in the hand, priority of move. After sennichite opponents revert colors (or side) and play new game. Winner of the 2nd game are winner this game.
Jishogi fix draw for professionals if each player have 24 and above points, for amateur both players must have 27 points for draw.
I have any question about Jishogi:
1) all pieces of the both players must stay in opponents promote zone?
2) for amteurs a Jishogi not made draw never? If both players have 27 points, then white (gote) win?

I announce about online shogi tournament on site Kurnik.org (see http://www.kurnik.org/intl/en/shogi/?pt=1). I invite all shogi players to meet in Kurnik in 3 December. Tournament start in 13:30 GMT (see your time zone http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3&month=12&year=2005&hour=14&min=30&sec=0&p1=262).
Sign-up for this tournament starts 5 min. before its starting time in the private room named like the tournament id (457136). The room will appear on the list of rooms 15 min. before the start of the tournament. Entering the room will then be also possible from this page (http://www.kurnik.org/intl/en/tour.phtml?tid=457
136).
Organiser: yuryshpilev (http://www.kurnik.org/intl/en/stat.phtml?gid=sg&
uid=yuryshpilev)
pairing: swiss system
parameters: 5 rounds, 20 min, +5 sec after each move (Fisher system).

DragonKing: Here black (in Japanese style) made "mating net" around white's king, and they king are out of threat. Now black have mate threat: N-5c= mate. If white do move G-4b, then N-5c+ a)Gx5c Rx2b+ Bx2b S*4b mate! b)Gx4c Rx2b+ Bx2b S*5b mate!
You must enoght pieces in hand for mate!

takodori: Thank you for information. Here not sorting on players or column name, and it's info very hard for analyze, but it better then nothing.

takodori: How I can know who started shogi games, but not stand in BKR? They will grow this list in future.

takodori: Another place with game translation: http://www.shogi.bz/kifu/index.html

nosovs: Please, to ring until 22-00 JST (Japan standard time) (-5h in Russia, -7h in Europe)

nosovs: If you want you can ring to hotel "Tokyo East-21", where live participants and where hold ISF. Here phone number 8-10-813-5683-5683 and please connect to participant (Victor live in room 605). I busy now, and I will ring tomorrow.

DragonKing:
I think that the database is used only for the rapid search for correct answer. Probably, developer knows the interior of this base, but does not give to rest the possibility of the survey of possible variants. But it would be very well to look they...

A little note about few types move.
When I make move my pown to last line it promote always, and program must promote pawn if I select it on prelast line. (P9b for black in Japanese and for white on it site :) next move will promote to P9a+ always).
Another pieces:
- Pawn and Lance if stay on line "b" in next move will poromote (1 times pressed), for white - line "h";
- Knight if stay on line "c" or line "d" in next move will promote too (1 times or 2 times pressed), for white lines "g" and "f".

2nd bug:
I select japanese type pieces (3 or 4 type). And when my piece must promote I see promoted piece type 1 (european type). It's not correct.

Another bugs I not see while, but you can see next:
- Pawn from "hand" cant give mate to King
- Lince and Pawn from "hand" cant put on line "a" for black and "i" - for white (in Japanese note)
- Knight from "hand" cant put on line "a" or "b" for black and "i" and "h" - for white (in Japanese note)
I hope that it correctly work.

If you wish to get used to hieroglyphs on pieces shogi load and play with the program "Shogi Variants" (http://trout.customer.netspace.net.au/). Here many variants shogi with rules are presented. The program allows to see moves of the chosen piece or what fields are under attack of pieces (white and/or black).
It's very nice programm for 1st viewing shogi.
This link was in "Shogi variant" on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi_variant