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18. Januar 2013, 01:13:13
Iamon lyme 
Emne: Re: If you predict the outcome of a horse race, is the prediction a 'fake' if the outcome is not as you predicted?
(V): "Then explain what you understand, or think you do."

Why? If I'm right or wrong, either way it doesn't matter. I've been asking you questions because I didn't understand your position. I even told you that was what I was doing, so what's the problem? Was I not supposed to understand?


"There appears to be a weakness in the second statement because the argument was formulated almost a thousand years ago... a thousand years ago there was no scientific evidence to support a big bang theory."

"But there is now, it was even taught when I was at school in the 70's studying 'O' level physics... Does it matter??"

It mattered a thousand years ago, when there was no empirical evidence to prove the universe began to exist. Up until the last century the second statement was hotly debated and the focus of controversy. But even after being proven true by scientific evidence, the kalam argument is still being debated. Why? No one had previously argued against the first statement, so what's left to debate?

The first and second statements can be debated, and the second has been proven true by science, so that only leaves the first statement open to criticism. There's no point in arguing with the third statement, because it is only a conclusion derived from the first two.

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