@Walter Montego: 1...d6 might not be the best choice, but why then move 2.e5? I dont see any reason. Even to "hope" for 1...Nf6 is rubbish, because black sees the pawn on e5 and wont lose the knight. But anyway, it might be all luck and so lets see what happens next...

Doerdich: You're whooping me in Extinction Chess and Grand Chess, but if you'd like a couple games of Dark Chess please drop a line. :)

As for his move, I don't see anything wrong with it. Even in regular Chess that opening is pretty famous. Taking a chance is sometimes winning strategy in Dark Chess. Losing strategy too, but that's a different story. d6 for the second move as Black is one of the worst moves you can make! That is unless you've blocked the diagonal to your King from the Queen throwing a check or moved your Queen's Rook Pawn to a5 to throw light on a4. If you're going to move your Queen's Pawn to d6 early in the game and don't want to chance White having placed his Queen on a4, you'd be wise to do it on your first move followed with B c8-d7 on your next move. A common Dark Chess opening and one that you never see in regular Chess. Remember, checks are not announced and your opponent can drape your King and the game is over.

Doerdich: I'll give you a pass because you have only finished one game of dark chess. The fact is that a pawn down early is relatively meaningless so the move is not that risky. It's actually not common for someone to move 1...d6 in my experience.

On the other hand you would have seen the e5 move so how is it a cheat? Just move the knight.

Pythagoras: Fencer only charge me $1,000/game you've been ripped. (J/K)

Lost after dxe5??????????????????????????
LOL! Can you explain this? You seem to be more materialistic than Maschess (an old program that was obsessed with material).
There is another option for your opponent: To just played a risky move and don't be weak or cheating........ Of cource there is the known option of giving Fencer $20.000 and let you see the game in light!

Hi, There occured a very strange move in of my darkchess games. My opponent played 1.e4 and I answered 1...Nf6, after that he played 2.e5! This is of course theory, but how can he know that? I could also have played 1...d6, and then he would already be lost after 1...dxe5. Is he just weak or does he know what is going on because of a cheat?

Well here's the rub ... the post about the tournament is here and stays ... any discussion regarding its validity is gone. If you care to read the heading at the top then you will see that from a very long time ago one of the prime purposes of this board is to post about pertinent tournaments.

If you wish to discuss the validity of this position do so somewhere else where those who are interested in the discussion can discuss it ... not here ... as, whatever you say, that discussion DOES NOT belong here.

Thanks you for your continued observance of the stated intentions of this board.

WhisperzQ

is waiting for your participation Here.

one week total think time.

Doerdich: you can also "go back in time": click on a move or use the backwards/forwards buttons to see what was revealed at a certain moment.

using the "notes" field is also very helpful in this variant.

Doerdich: But, obviously, you cannot "test" a position and move back after seeing what might be revealed ... the revelation only comes after you have committed tot he move. Likewise, if you are still wqatching the game and your opponet is "testing" positions, you do not see what they have moved (if, indeed you an) until they have committed to the move.

Doerdich: You get up-to-date information in both cases: after your move and after the move of your opponent. After you make a move it is best to chose "Move and stay here" option to see what is changed.

I have a question to the rules in Dark Chess: When do I get the information about the open fields? Is it after I made my move or after my opponent made his move. This ia a bgid difference, e.g. in the following game: 1.Nc3 g6 2.e3 Bg7 (if I get the information now, I can see the knight on c3) 3.Ne2 (If I get the information now, I can't see the knight any more).

@kipling seems you missunderstand the rule a bit? if your opponent gives three checks, you are lost!

I was reading the recent newsletter and there is an opportunity to have a "best-of" match (best of 3, best of 5) with another player. If interested, let me know. Also, for those who might want to participate in a quad tourney, I would be interested in hearing from you.

I was thinking of an invitational, but I would like to know who is interested. Message me here.

Pythagoras: For the intrest of the conversation, I'll play this "gambit" with the tournament creator,redsales.
Though I am but a novice,we can see how it goes.

Playing this gambit and sacrificing a Knight from so early would only Bring troubles for white......

grenv: I agree.

Doerdich: Then you should have named the first 4 moves. It wasn't crystal clear from your earlier posts that this was the reason (though it appeared to be the only point of the move).

I believe it is quite common to sacrifice a minor piece for a check at some point, and it isn't clearly a win, so this seems a little moot.

Hi,

I have been kicked out of the tourney because I didnt have enough free games left. (I thought that tournaments games will be countet extra). Anyway, it seems to be look that I don't take part, because some people seem to missunderstand the idea of 1.Nc3!? 1.Nc3 is a gambit line, which enables white to sacrifice a piece for one check by force, e.g.: 1.Nc3 e6 2.Nb5! Or 1.Nc3 c6 2.Ne4! The great question is wether black is able to defend this position with an extra piece but "being one check down".

Hmmm, so there is a stalemate......
grenv: Yep it should be a draw!

Luke Skywalker: I believe that is a draw. However it is very theoretical and would need to be engineered by both players.

and some other black piece on b7

white: Ka8, Pa7
black: Kb8
white to move
isn't that stalemate because suicide is not allowed?

No.....! Since there is no check the King can go wherever he wants.....

In atomic is there stalemate?

As the piece it was promoted.......

Loop chess question: promoted piece after being captured is resurrected as pawn (usual rule) or as the piece it was promoted to? Not exactly mentioned in rules here...

Luke Skywalker Doerdich andreas: Differing views of this opening. That is why there's a tournament organized, right? :) I won't be playing in it, but you all have me curious about how it'll go. Let's put theory to test.

Doerdich: I think 1. Nc3 is a weak move and loses significant advantage White have in this chess variant after 1. e4.

Dear friends,

now I am not sure at all, but 1 Nc3 could also lose! For example, 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.Nb5 c6 3.Nc7+ Qxc7 Black is only a piece up but he controls all fields in the middle and its very hard to make progress for white. Very surprising! Call 1.Nc3!? the "Doerdich-Gambit....

Here's the link: http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=11408&tri=60495

I created the tourney, it should be interesting..

Can you create such a tourney? I will take part. I hope all people will move 1. Nc3 ...

Doerdich: Making theme tournaments in a forced way was a suggestion by me some times ago, but here ... no comment.

We can make a tounament and write in the description that 1.Nc3 must be moved.

You cannot create a tournament. See http://brainking.com/en/PaidMembership

Hi, that is a good idea. I'm new here, how can I create such a tournament? I mean, "One Check" or "Two Check" Chess will be obviously lost for black, because of 1. Nv3. The question is, if black can defend in a "Three Check Chess" Game after 1. Nc3. My first impression was, that white has a very easy win, but in fact it seems more difficult. Anayway, I still think white is better.

Doerdich: You mean 1.Nc3!? is too strong. Well, I would say: Let us create a big theme tournament to check this out.

Hi all,
I propose to change "Three Check Chess" into "Four Check Chess" because if three checks already win, 1. Nc3!? seems too strong for white...

Some more talk was started on the BrainKing.com board about how to make the game more balanced.

I'm far from being a chess expert or anything - but what about taking some of the important pieces away - maybe like remove the queen from the start - or maybe start with only 1 knight & 1 bishop.

probable have to play around with it for awhile to figure out what would make it more balanced.

What do you think about following new type of Pawn move: if close in front of a Pawn is a dense serie of one or more other Pawns (own or opposite color) followed by an empty square, the Pawn should be allowed to jump upon that empty square. This would help to overcome blocked situations.

Reinhard.

I started a corner chess tournament, if anyone is interested.

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=11318&u=2165&trnst=0

Pioneer54: Done

Fencer: "Knight Relay Chess" should be included in the list of games at the top of this page.

Fencer: Thanks. Fortunately it didn't really affect this game much as I had pieces ready to capture it. :)

grenv: Should be fixed for future games.

grenv: Definitely a bug. Thanks for finding that.

Look at move 16 of this game
http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=1017689

The pawn on d3 checked my king on e1, due to the knight relay.

HOWEVER, the rules here (and elsewhere) say:
"A pawn powered by the previous point does not extend its moving options to the 1st or 8th row. For example, a pawn on C6 which is guarded by a knight on E7, cannot jump to B8 or D8."

So is this a bug?

Anencephal: Heh :-) A small bug.

What is this 'R' after amazon moves in amazon chess?
it's not relayed chess!

danoschek: Travel to Thailand!, Land of smile!, And you can challange Thai people to play Thai chess. However, Thai chessmen are less powerful than classical chess. You must play about 20 moves for opening, and about 60-100 moves to win a game.

Pioneer54: I've played this game (Random atomic) on another site and it works pretty well. I agree that there is no compelling advantage to white, but that is true of regular chess as well, yet FRC is still a good game.