BrainKing - Diskussionsborde (Espionage)

Emne: Re: illegal move

Pedro Martínez:
As I understand it, a player may inadvertently make an illegal move due to the bug that would otherwise be impossible. More critically, in certain positions with few remaining movable pieces, a player may be forced to make the illegal move which would otherwise be prevented without the bug.
In either case, a player may have a legitimate argument that the illegal move was unintentional. With the list, voluntary resignation is agreed upon without involving a moderator or management and no move reversal is necessary.

Have such moves been reversed?
How long does it take?
What happens if unidentified pieces become identified as a result of the illegal move?

7. Februar 2011, 17:03:01

Pedro Martínez

Emne: Re: illegal move

Tilpasset af Pedro Martínez (7. Februar 2011, 17:04:27)

Chaos: Well, people who have accounts and play at BK are deemed to have agreed to the User Agreement and to the rules of all games that are played here. My understanding is that when my opponent (or anyone else on this site) makes an illegal move (i.e. a move which is not in agreement with the rules applicable to BK games), I am fully entitled to require the management to have such a move reversed. Therefore, I think the list of “obligated players” is rather redundant since they are obligated to that effect (not to make illegal moves) already.

7. Februar 2011, 17:00:57

Emne: Re: illegal moves

For me the date is irrelevant. Fine by me if the rule applies to any of the games I'm playing already. But I'm perfectly ok with your definition if people prefer to have the dates added.

7. Februar 2011, 16:54:31

Emne: Re: illegal moves

Chaos:
I would also like to see a date by the name of each player for when they are added to the list and suggest the following for the wording:
"I hereby agree to resign any game against another player on this list (in which both players have an effective date on or before the start of the game) if during the course of the game I move any piece back to the square it had vacated on the previous move."

7. Februar 2011, 16:53:28

Emne: Re: illegal move

Pedro Martínez: as I understand they have agreed to resign the game. Best would be if the bug would be fixed ofcourse, or if we could at least get back to the previous move so the game could go one.

7. Februar 2011, 16:47:33

Pedro Martínez

Tilpasset af Pedro Martínez (7. Februar 2011, 16:47:43)

So, umm, what happens if an “obligated player” makes an illegal move?

7. Februar 2011, 16:16:26

Emne: illegal moves

ok, so I made a startlist. Anyone who wants to be added (or removed) from the list, just post here or send me a message. I'll add the circumstances as soon as we have agreed how to describe it.

7. Februar 2011, 15:53:22

rod03801

Emne: Re: obligated players

Dark Prince: Rather than "clutter" the top of the board with several names, such as you describe, the better way would be to have one post, listing all the names. Then a link directly to that post, could be placed at the top. That post could be edited at any time by Chaos. (Or whoever does the post, AND any moderator)

In each post, you see a "Link" link under the date. If Chaos copies that URL and puts it at the top of this board, telling what it is, anyone can click it and see the up to date list of people agreeing.

It's pretty simple, but if any assistance is needed, just let me know. (Or any other Global Moderator, really)

7. Februar 2011, 15:47:45

Emne: obligated players

I'll send her a message directly to find out how to proceed.
Thanks

7. Februar 2011, 15:02:49

lukulus

vis denne brugers meddelelser | link

I think Chaos could put names of obligated players on the top of this forum.

7. Februar 2011, 14:58:25

Emne: Re: gentleman's agreement

lukulus:
I think a list would avoid any confusion about who has made such an agreement or not and with whom. It would be unfortunate to play thinking we had such an agreement and the opponent saying no. Why ask before or during each game when a list would be so clear in advance?
Could such a list or link to the list be placed in such a location that it would be easily accessible both at the time it's made and into the future without doing some kind of search?

7. Februar 2011, 14:42:32

lukulus

I think most players will accept such gentleman's agreement and weaker ones will lose with sooner, than such situation can happen

7. Februar 2011, 14:39:17

Emne: Re: An illegal move FORCED

Dark Prince:
postscript:
That agreement would not apply to players on the list who are playing against someone not on the list since those not on the list haven't agreed.

7. Februar 2011, 14:34:57

Emne: An illegal move FORCED

One can move into a position in which the only allowed move for a particular piece on the following turn is an illegal one (moving back to the square it had vacated the previous turn).
If that piece must be moved due to attrition,
I would think it fair to agree that any player who moves into such a position and is subsequently forced to make an illegal move should resign even if it results from attrition caused by the opponent that turn.
Naturally, our tactics would be affected to avoid getting into such a position. Unfortunately, however, such a position may otherwise be advantageous if the bug didn't allow illegal moves.
Perhaps we should have a list of players who agree to resign a game in which they make an illegal move whether intentionally or inadvertantly.

7. Februar 2011, 13:25:10

Sandoz

Emne: Re: Retracing

cookie monster:

I promise the same. :-)

7. Februar 2011, 13:15:55

cookie monster

Emne: Re: Retracing

Dark Prince:

I can promise not to move back if you want to play. :)

-Eric

7. Februar 2011, 06:43:29

Emne: Re: Retracing

Pedro Martínez:
Sooooo..."very soon" means???
LOL
Thanks for the info.

7. Februar 2011, 01:10:42

Pedro Martínez

Emne: Re: Retracing

Tilpasset af Pedro Martínez (7. Februar 2011, 01:11:43)

Dark Prince: No worries, it will have been fixed with the introduction of BK 3.0… which is expected to take place very soon… or has been for the past two years…

6. Februar 2011, 22:40:12

Emne: Re: Retracing

Celticjim:
Thanks for your response.
Although I don't care for the game graphics or move tracking here, it's the bug that causes me the greatest reluctance to play here. There are many very good espionage players here I would challenge if the bug were resolved.

6. Februar 2011, 22:17:32

Celticjim

http://brainking.com/en/ReadBug?bgi=1994

Emne: Re: Retracing

Dark Prince:

I reported this on 19th January 2010 :

no reply yet so wouldn't hold breath:..

5. Februar 2011, 00:36:55

Emne: Retracing

According to the rules, a piece cannot move back to the square it moved from on the previous move. As I understand it, there was a bug that allowed such moves in certain circumstances. Has that bug been fixed?

22. November 2010, 10:37:13

Emne: Re: apologies

Nothingness: don't worry about our game and best wishes to you!

Hope you're feeling better soon.

22. November 2010, 03:18:08

Nothingness

Emne: apologies

I'm suffering from a little burnout and have been moving very slowly. plus i have lots of responsibilities at work that are very important. New career = more responsibility.

17. Oktober 2010, 22:25:47

Mikong

Emne: Re: Finally !

SL-Mark: Yeah, it so :)

17. Oktober 2010, 17:58:35

SL-Mark

Emne: Re: Finally !

Mikong: Thought I had been excluded as I didn't see any game! Ah no, I only have a bye

17. Oktober 2010, 16:47:25

Emne: Re: Finally !

Mikong: Good Luck to all! :)

17. Oktober 2010, 16:07:39

Mikong

Emne: Finally !

Finally, the tournament began ! :)

8. Oktober 2010, 19:14:09

lukulus