Zorro: Way to Play,Clay!!

rod03801: I agree. Either let them finish or disqualify them. Either way it would ensure pond games are played more...um....'accurately'?

This DB is for the discussion of the Pond game. Anyone who engages in verbal sparring or baiting or direct insults will have their post deleted. If they persist,they will be hidden.
If anyone would like to discuss Pond games using these tactics,then perhaps a fellowship with more liberal guidelines is the best option.

Pedro Martínez: I deleted his post at the same time it was replied to. According to what you say , if someone posts inflammatory remarks ,the post should remain if someone responds to it?

Czuch Chuckers: Your posts have been hidden until Steve is back online.

Chuck...I deleted your post as I found it offensive and it was baiting. If you have a problem with another player might I suggest you PM them instead of using this discussion board.

It's just a game...no need to get nasty.

bwildman: Agreed

Eriisa: LMAO

Eriisa: Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the 'game'?

ughaibu: This is not the forum for tablut discussion. I am simply asking that this board remains on topic so as not to have things get out of hand.

ughaibu: Please take this to the appropriate board.

Let's get back on topic,shall we?

EdTrice: as Steve posted , it is a general post.

Anyone who posts a baiting or aggressive post from here on in will be hidden for 24 hours.

Czuch Chuckers: let's continue this in the Debate club

I'm not saying what Mr.Trice is doing is against the rules of this site. What I am saying is,it is morally wrong. UNLESS,the shill is a nic of his that he will never play against. Then he is not telling another player how to bet.

Czuch Chuckers: I've stated my reasons why I feel it's cheating. I'm sure you have your reasons for thinking it isn't. We can agree to disagree or we can debate this in the Debate club,perhaps?

grenv: ok it was a bad analogy but yes,it is cheating. The purpose of playing a game is to have fun and try to win...to test your own skill...not the skill of a program or friend.
If Mr. Trice's shill wins , will it not go on his record? If he were to be a shill for another game and then another...until he's played 20 games FOR/AS SOMEONE ELSE....how can that accurately show his skill? It's cheating and it's wrong.

Pedro Martínez: This issue is a day old but I haven't been on site to respond to your post.
IF someone uses calculations based on a theory (what I understood to be Mr. Trice's spreadsheet) I do not see that as cheating. But rather deductions being made by the person playing the game. Really no different than me sitting down at a checker board next to my computer and making moves to determine which would be the best move to make in another game. The calculations are mine. Not those of a computer or another person.

Czuch Chuckers: To say it isn't cheating because there are no ratings points involve...well...With that way of thinking it would be alright for someone to get the answers to a test they are writing because the mark on the test doesn't count towards the grade total.

To have a shill make moves in a game...any game is cheating. Period. The purpose of a game is to have fun,do your best and try to win. Not do someone else's best.
Steve was right about the analogy to Nomad and checkers. As with ANY game here on BK to make moves that are not your own whether by using an operative,a program or a friend....is simply cheating.
This could all have been avoided had Mr. Trice not said he could win by using his spreadsheet. If he had just played and then remarked on the use of the spreadsheet after the game had ended,there wouldn't be the problem of his paranoia that there would be collusion.

redsales: Delaying an opponent's victory or draw isn't new to turn based play,unfortunately. I have a game on GT that is over 3 yrs old as a result of that tactic. (I am not the one using that tactic lol)
But I don't see it as an issue for pond games as all moves have a required time limit and is not based on anyone's tardiness

EdTrice: If ANYONE can win this game by employing mathematics...Mr.Nash is the Man

Czuch Chuckers: That's the chance we take with this game or any other possible future multi player game.
Is it any different in theory than playing programmers who take away any chance of ratings meaning anything?

Rose: LMAO @ Rose...I think we're getting off topic here so we best shhhh

furbster: Tempus fugit Mr Rook

grenv: To almost everyone here this is a new game. Strategies have yet to be formulated and with such a diversity in players,plays will vary. Not everyone thinks alike nor has the same level of interest in this game.

Stevie: well it sorta maybe made sense to a sensible person I'm not sure

If everyone were to bid 11 or higher in the next round Olddear would fall into the pond. Of course I think some will like the security of keeping that inactive account in the game. Takes away from the fun,I think. But eventually he'll fall and then things will get interesting...I hope

Excellent ideas WhisperzQ and Chuck!