Czuch: right now is a buyers market

Tuesday: you have a lot to learn about the stock market.... let me explain one thing... the stock market prices into the future... have you ever heard the term buy on the rumor, sell on the news?

Basically that means that the stock market has already factored in the past and what happens today on the stock market is a reflection of their pridiction of the future.

Everything that has to do with housing and banks etc, has already been factored into the stock market long ago, and may or may not have to do with Bush, but what is happening right now, is that the stock market is factoring in what they think is the future, and it isnt promising... since Bam the past month has been the second worse for the stocks since the great depression!

Believe me, its not partisan to say it...... if the stock market liked Bams plans for this country, if they thought it would be a good thing over all for stocks, then the market would be souring right now... remember buy on the rumor and sell on the news... the rumor right now is not good, and if it was, by the time the average American figured it out, you would have already missed the boat, so to speak.

Tuesday: Certain sources, however, state the baby boomer generation as someone born from as early as 1944 and ending at 1959 or 1960.
thats what I found..does this seem right?? I'm gen X baby,yeah,lol

Czuch: not at all...I'm just smart with my money :)

anastasia: well, you must be part of the top 10% of income earners then...

Czuch: I don't NEED a check from him thanks...doing just fine here

Tuesday: There are plenty of professional investors on wall st. who make a living betting on the future... Im just glad i didnt bet my last dollar on his recovery plan... if you have such faith, and anyone who does, should be putting their money where their mouth is, but until you tell me you are putting your savings into the stock market, I dont believe you really have any more belief in the chosen one as I do?

Czuch:Politicans ignore these facts because they are more interested in power than they are in actually helping people.  BOB (BarakOBama) says he'll cut the deficit in half.  Big woop.  He just doubled it so that basically means he's going to do nothing about it. 

He also makes promises and then breaks them right off.  And lies.  In his speech he claims that "no earmarks" could be found in the stimulus package.  What a crock.  That's a bold face lie and only an idiot will not see through it.  Unbelievable. 

Tuesday: You two will let me know when you get a check from Bam to help you stimulate, okay?

anastasia: he's trying to clean up crap left by former presidents


seems to be working... NOT!!!

Tuesday: I'm going to stimulate it tomorrow by hitting the outlet mall! Tommy Hilfiger here I come!!!!

Czuch: he's trying to clean up crap left by former presidents

Study after study over the past several decades has shown how countries that spend more produce less, while nations that tax less produce more. Obama is doing it wrong on both counts.

Czuch: Also, a home is not only a place to live, and for only a bit more than renting, but it also increases in value over time, not to mention, what bank is going to lend you 200k to put into the stock market or anything else for that matter? Its the best investment that a loan can buy!

Looks like Bams plan to socialize us and to end the free market capitalism which has gotten us from newbie country to world superpower in a couple hundred years, is working and is well on its way!

I hope you liberals were smart enough to pull all your money out of the stock market before you endorsed such a plan???? Because it is quite obvious that socialism and the stock market are like oil and water.....

Bernice: Read closer... i said except for mortgages, those for most people, are the only credit they should use.

Paying cash for a new home would take most people so long to save for they would never have a new home, one reason is that you have to pay rent as well as try to save for a place to live, which makes no sense, when you can just have no rent payment and pay for a home mortgage. But most other things dont work quite the same way.

Czuch: now havent your last 2 posts contradicted themselves....in one you say pay cash and in the other you have massive mortgages.

I paid cash for my home, not mortgages here and if I wasn a new "anything" I save for it LOL...so I agree with you there.....but your statements are confusing, or rather contradictory.

(V): No more 100% mortgages,

I have two 100% mortgages.... whats wrong with them?

Tuesday: and you would think if a person can make payments they can save money every month....there is something human about that that doesn't work lol


Thats my point, the best advice is to save the money and then make the purchase, not make it on credit.

One problem is that people end up buying more than they need or can afford when credit is employed.

Maybe it is a bit different with business.... but my advice is if you cant pay cash fro it, you cant afford it or it is more than you really need.

Tuesday: Hey kewlness.. at least one good thing about the O

Tuesday: Yep. They hook you in then hit you with... um .. um lots of messy stuff. But...... At least over here they have clamped down on some of the rip offs, like charging you £20 for being a little late or for having to send you a letter. People were getting so peeved that the government had to step in and set limits before we stormed and lynched a few people from the financial services industry.

Tuesday: It's the I want it now attitude.. Fine if the deal is sweet, fine if you like some push for extras on the deal. But just watch out for the small print.

Czuch: Nope. That is not true. The truth is to be fully aware before you make any purchase based on credit. Not only taking note of the interest rates, but of the small print as well. This applies to all purchases on credit including houses.

2) know your rights. EG some stores over here will say that they need a receipt as proof of purchase before exchanging faulty equipment. But the law states differently, something I have used in the exchange of faulty goods many times and even made them get the manager down if they try to argue.

3) You are by rights allowed to cross out terms in a contract if you feel they are unfair before you sign, it might mean that the other side might not sign. But better that then signing a contract that is against your interests and lead to you ending up in dooo dooo at the end of the day.

If the lending is sensible then what is your problem with it? No more 100% mortgages, no more stupid rates of interest, and the banks to be responsible and not to blindly invest money in dodgy schemes.

Tuesday: #5 is the consumer...racking up debt....


What makes me wonder about this one.... we say it was one of the main problems, but I hear Bam saying that one of the main ways we are going to recover is to get debt flowing again????

Every financial advice show I see or hear will tell you, as an individual it is best to pay only in cash, the only debt "allowed" is for your house, even a car should be paid for with saved cash!

Now the big stimulus is to get lenders lending and debtors debiting again??? I am truly concerned about this democratic 'new deal'....

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/177021-Cutting-through-the-illusion-The-Grand-Chessboard


"Buy the truth, and sell it not." - Proverbs 23:23

Who is willing to pay the steep price for Truth?

The Usurper: Takes years to develop. I know some Americans wished that we were still over in your country teaching you how to run a government.

For example, your lobbyist system... never would be allowed over here. There was a big enough stink when one MP took money just to ask certain questions in Parliament.

anastasia: Our local service has just started with a new bus fleet. Leather seats hand stitched in Italy, very green engines.... and most stops have a computerised timetable display along with the old paper one. It tells you the time and the expected time of arrival of the buses due at that stop.

Czuch: The peoples of the world in general have a better understanding of these things than most Americans do. 99%? That's still too high, even for Americans. 36% of the American people believe the Bush administration either had an active hand in 9/11 or else knowingly allowed it to happen, as a pretext for expansionism abroad. That's a hundred-million people. They also believe the 9/11 Commission is an official cover-up. More people are aware than you think.

As a matter of fact, the 9/11 Truth Movement was virtually ignored for years, until these polls came out & the powers-that-be recognized the truth was making headway, in spite of the fact that the Corporate Media has never investigated it or reported on it.

Now, there is an Info-War going on with pseudo-scientific websites supporting the official conspiracy popping up all over the place. Remember the PNAC vision of "Full Spectrum Dominence" includes the control of information.

A considerably higher number than 1% also understand the insidious nature of central banking. But you are right, a very large majority has its head in the sand.

The Usurper: Be an ostrich if you prefer.

I dont prefer.... but according to you 99% of the world has their heads in the sand....

Czuch: And that's right, these same people who finance BOTH SIDES of every war, and who pull the strings of government, ALSO are the real perpetrators of 9/11. Be an ostrich if you prefer.

Czuch: My point is that it is not the REAL ISSUE!

Read the posts below. Read what Jefferson, Wilson, & Lincoln had to say.

Learn how the Federal Reserve, the central bank of the U.S., is robbing you blind and controlling the political processes, thereby enslaving us all. For goodness sakes, WAKE UP!

The Usurper: copy-&-paste material from some rightwing think tank that, were it true,


Not true???? I gave you three different sources, all with very similar conclusions.... its hard science and math, this is not some conjecture IE your conspiracy.... you can believe all that but you arent able to believe what percentage of people pay what percentage of taxes???

--To the former Republic of the United States of America--

But, as active citizens of this once great land, we ought rather to take the advice of Dylan Thomas:

"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

THOMAS JEFFERSON:
"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."

WOODROW WILSON:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

ABRAHAM LINCOLN:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

Czuch: Here's how it works:

1. The Federal Reserve is the central bank of the U.S.A. Nevertheless it is privately owned, and its shareholders secret.

2. Whenever the U.S. Treasury wants money, the FR prints the money. It doesn't give the government money it HAS! It creates money out of thin air & loans it to the government, with interest.

3. The government gives this money away, a little to poor folk maybe, but most to major corporations, oil companies, etc., and the rest it uses to keep itself afloat. As we know, with all its departments, including the Pentagon & clandestine operations, Homeland Security now, etc., the U.S. is a big operation.

4. As soon as the FR has printed new money, the value of the money you have GOES DOWN! It is more cash covering the same amount of goods in the market-place. So, in effect, when new money is printed, it amounts to taking a little from every citizen and then redistributing it as it sees fit, and as mentioned above. This is the tax that is killing America, the hidden tax.

5. Wealthy people are by far the biggest recipients of these government handouts. They have to pay a little bit of it back, in the form of higher prices (inflation) & being in a larger tax bracket. But they still benefit from the process, because they pay back less than they receive.

6. The common man, poor or middle class, receives far less government aid, yet his dollar is still deflated by the currency increase. He loses MORE in the bargain as a result. He must pay higher prices but his wages do not increase proportionately, etc.

7. Finally, most taxes go to pay the INTEREST on the Federal debt owed to the Federal Reserve. So, in a nutshell this is the process: the FR produces cash at no cost, which cash then, as if by magic, is equal in value to existing cash. All cash is reduced in value now, but to the shareholders of the FR, this fact is inconsequential, because it cost them nothing to begin with! They get paid back with interest for doing nothing!

So, the real winners, in the overall scheme, are the private bankers. And they pull the strings of not only the U.S. government but also the corporations to whom they "give away" money. This is not Econ 101, by the way. You get a little in Money & Banking. You get zero of it in the financial media. But there is the truth, for anyone to investigate.

Czuch: Now there you go again. I make a point about inflation and you pretend it was never said, just plow right ahead with some copy-&-paste material from some rightwing think tank that, were it true, would still be begging the question.

(V): You guys sound civilized. I've heard of that word, but never really experienced it. Civilization would be a good thing to have here.