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10. märts 2011, 05:44:56

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Teema: Re: Am I disappointed with Obama? No, because I knew from the beginning that the US can NEVER close Guantanamo.

rod03801:

> And? So? Doesn't change the fact that he is inept and just making a mess of things.

Show me a president that hasn't made a mess of things.

Richard Nixon: "I am not a crook!" Need I say more!

Jimmy Carter: Hostages in Iran. To his credit, he did put an end to the Vietnam war.

Ronald Regan: "Reaganomics" plunges the US into the worst recession since the Great Depression. He was the president who first made the deficit explode to stratospheric proportions. "In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion, and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation."

George H.W. Bush: His continued pursuit of "Reagonomics". His handling of the economy was so bad that he was not reelected in 1992 in spite of having won the Gulf War.

Bill Clinton: Somalia. Monica Lewinski. To his credit, he oversaw the largest economic and technological expansion of the 20th century, and finished his presidency with a surplus.

George W. Bush: Manufactured intelligence. A war without UN backing. Ruined many long-term alliances in Europe and messed up foreign policy for decades to come. Guantanamo. Abu Graib. Waterboarding. Sending 400,000 Iraqis to their deaths. The biggest stock market crash in history. Manufacturing the bank meltdown and subsequent bailout. He squandered the surplus that he inherited from Clinton and turned it into the worst fiscal and trade deficits in American history.

Barrack Obama: Healthcare (only if you are a Republican!) Iraq and Guantanamo are not done yet.

10. märts 2011, 13:44:54

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Teema: Re: Am I disappointed with Obama? No, because I knew from the beginning that the US can NEVER close Guantanamo.

Übergeek 바둑이: Jimmy took office in 1977.us troops left in 72, all over by 75

11. märts 2011, 06:47:17

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Teema: Re: Am I disappointed with Obama? No, because I knew from the beginning that the US can NEVER close Guantanamo.

GT:

> Jimmy took office in 1977.us troops left in 72, all over by 75

Thanks for the correction. Technically speaking, the Paris Peace Accords were signed by Richard Nixon's administration in 1972. However, hostilities from both sides continued until 1975 since the US continued to secretly bomb Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, and the Vietcong continued to push south. I suppose Jimmy Carter inherited the immediate aftermath of the war and he had to deal with issues such as the release of POWs, the search for MIA servicemen, and trying to mend fences with Vietnam. Jimmy Carter was not bad at that. It is where his reputation as a peace maker comes from. Well, the whole Iran mess hurt him badly, plus rising interest rates and a slow down in the economy as the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. All that reached its peak during the Reagan administration. In retrospect, Reagan free market thinking came at the wrong time. It is why during his 8 years in office the US slid into recession.

11. märts 2011, 06:33:21

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Teema: Re: Am I disappointed with Obama? No, because I knew from the beginning that the US can NEVER close Guantanamo.

Tuesday:

> I believe the hostage releases were planned for a certain time to make Carter look bad. That was my impression at the time.

It has been charged many times that Ronald Reagan was dealing with Iran behind the scenes prior to the election so as to delay the release of the hoistages and make sure that Jimmy Carter would lose. The hostages were released 20 minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn into office. During the election Ronald Reagan said that the USA should not pay ransom for people that had been kidnapped by "barbarians". However, one of his first acts in office was to unfreeze 7 billion dollars that had been frozen in American banks. All in all, there is no proof of any conspiracy, but the claim has been there for a long time.