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24. August 2005, 20:16:11
playBunny 
Subject: Re:Chuckles
ArtfulDodger: "Raving Mad" and that hair!!

24. August 2005, 19:37:16
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: A bug. Will be fixed.

24. August 2005, 19:27:08
coan.net 
Not sure if it's a bug or if it is suppose to be this way.

In the games which I have not completed a game for awhile (lets take Maharajah Chess for example), even though I do have a rating, it shows me as "unrated" while playing a game.

I would still think it should show my rating during a game, but just keep me off the "high ratings" list.

Example game: http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=999430

So is it suppose to be like that, or is it a bug?

24. August 2005, 18:59:15
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn: You spelled it wrong

it's Raving Mad

24. August 2005, 18:20:32
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re:
ArtfulDodger: I have been ANOITED Roving MOD. I will consider your request.

24. August 2005, 18:16:50
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re:
harley: just make me a temp mod. I'll keep things in order in here for ya!

24. August 2005, 18:12:56
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re:
harley: "WOMEN" SHOPPING WITH MENS MONEY" Must I say more?

24. August 2005, 18:12:18
ScarletRose 
Subject: Re:
Modified by ScarletRose (24. August 2005, 18:13:20)
Yes.. Grim, A good way to weed out the players who no longer are here and playing..

24. August 2005, 18:11:39
Grim Reaper 
I, for one, am happy to see that "Nellaf" is finally gone from the Gothic Chess rating list So thanks for that.

There seems to have been a lot of "dead wood" on the lists, in some cases 40% - 50% of the players were pawns clinging to the posts. Has anyone else noticed that?

24. August 2005, 18:11:09
ScarletRose 
Subject: Re: Shopping?? Why.. did someone say shopping??
harley: Grabs sweater and purse.. let's go.. HMmm.. LQQks around.. and snatches CC's from all the males on the boards.. Come on Harley.. whoo hoo.. lotsa moola here.. :)

24. August 2005, 18:08:52
harley 
Can I ban everyone so I can get my shopping done without wondering what I'll come back to?!

24. August 2005, 18:06:37
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn: Please make me a temp mod of this board so i can ban clay!!! He's making fun of my hair.

24. August 2005, 18:02:50
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re:
harley: Let me BAN Fencer Harley if it becomes necessary!

24. August 2005, 17:59:09
harley 
Scarlet do keep up dear Its reza - I've been posting about it for a while!

24. August 2005, 17:58:05
ScarletRose 
Subject: Hi Harley!!
who is the next victim..?? I mean hehe.. player selected to be interviewed??

24. August 2005, 17:57:48
harley 
ROFL will do!!

24. August 2005, 17:56:54
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
harley: Feel free to ban me if I follow up.

24. August 2005, 17:56:31
Fencer 
End of discussion.

24. August 2005, 17:56:03
harley 
Thanks Clay, I just sent personal messages saying just that :o)

24. August 2005, 17:55:56
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Grim Reaper: You re-read the contract, Edward. It uses the words "description of the rules of the game". And I am the one to decide which pages fulfil these conditions.

24. August 2005, 17:55:28
Grim Reaper 
It was going on via PM, and Fencer was not answering me.

Thanks for butting in Clay, as usual.

24. August 2005, 17:54:18
ClayNashvilleTN 
This sounds like a personal matter best handled in private, gentlemen.

Please delete your post and continue your conversation through PM.

24. August 2005, 17:51:25
Grim Reaper 
Modified by Grim Reaper (24. August 2005, 17:52:02)
Re-read the contract Filip. It uses the words "game description".

24. August 2005, 17:46:10
Fencer 
Modified by Fencer (24. August 2005, 19:06:04)
Bull. The only place I am supposed to show this information is the game rules page [where it actually appears]. Please stop spreading the nonsenses.

24. August 2005, 17:35:28
Grim Reaper 
Gothic Chess is my intellectual property. I have your signature on a document stating that my name will appear with ALL descriptions of that intellectual property being represented on BrainKing.

24. August 2005, 14:21:19
FilsdeTycho 
Subject: Re: "Inactive players" removed
AbigailII: Thank you Fencer and AbigailII for your kind explanations. I had the false impression that the BKR were erased since I've just started a new Janus Chess game (ID: 999199) and no BKR appears around the board as usual ("not ranked" message, only).

Again, if BKR remain unchanged there is no problem at all!

Thank you... and let's play!

24. August 2005, 14:04:39
AbigailII 
Subject: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Your BKR for Janus Chess is not unknown - it's 1238. You are, however, no longer listed in the charts. I didn't get the impression that inactivity (or activity) is taken in account when calculating the ratings. Only the fact whether or you you're in the list matters. So, for paying members, one quick draws against someone with a similar rating twice a year is enough to keep you in the charts.

This is unlike say, the rating system on FICS, where they, beside keeping the rating, also keep a stat that measures activity - it's an indication how good established your rating is. The more you play, the less your rating will fluctuate (but the more it can fluctuate the rating of your opponent). If you play less, your rating fluctuates more after a win or loss. So, on FICS, having played 400 games way back means a new win or loss can change your rating a loss (just like you have only played a few games here), much more so than if you have only played 20, but all of the recently. And the same statistic is used to determine whether your rating is established or not. So if you have played 400 games the past month, you can be inactive for a lot longer before your drop of the charts than when you have played 20 games in the past month.

While I prefer to have a system like FICS, I think this new system (dropping of the charts if you haven't finished a game in the past 6 months) is better than the old one.

24. August 2005, 14:00:25
Fencer 
Subject: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Have a look at your Profile, Finished Games tab. The only difference is in the Position column, where some values are replaced by "-". Nothing else changes.

24. August 2005, 13:58:31
Fencer 
Subject: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Who's talking about erasing some scores? Nothing is being erased, BKRs stay as they are, only some of them don't appear on the chart pages.

24. August 2005, 13:45:51
furbster 
Are the red things on our profiles the games we have to play in to get back on the ratings chart?

24. August 2005, 13:44:19
FilsdeTycho 
Subject: "Inactive players" removed
Modified by FilsdeTycho (24. August 2005, 13:54:00)
Dear Fencer,

They are some reactions on the French speaking forum concerning the removal of "inactive players". It appears quite brutal (it should have been annouced in order to allow us to reactivate some games). The period of 6 months appears short (they are so many games and we appreciate very much brainking for that).

Would it be possible NOT to clear the BKR of so-called inactive players (I was disappointed to notice that my BKR for Janus chess is now unknow). I understand that the display of ranking could not take into account inactive players (it is not a bad idea, I agree) but erasing previous scores is a bit brutal, I think!

Finally, rankings are not so important and will not affect my pleasure on brainking.com!

24. August 2005, 13:42:59
furbster 
The majoirty of my ratings either stayed teh same or went down :'(

24. August 2005, 11:40:20
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Chessmaster1000: 1) I don't want to start a fight here. 2) Because some games had been restored in the past and the BKR was calculated twice for them, so the results were not accurate. Now they are.

24. August 2005, 11:38:32
Chessmaster1000 
Modified by Chessmaster1000 (24. August 2005, 11:38:52)
For example my Dark Chess rating WAS ~ 1550.
Now it IS ~1950.
I can't understand why????????????

24. August 2005, 11:37:31
Chessmaster1000 
1)OK don't challenge your superiority of decisions, i'm just curious to see the reason behind your decision.......Can you give it to me please.......?

2)But a recalculation of the BKRs should have the same results for any number of times this recalculation will be done. I mean if now you re-recalculate the BKRs then we should have the SAME EXACT results for every player, excluding the players had a 2700. So for me for example, that didn't hit any 2700 BKR, my BKR should stay the same. But this happens if and only if the recalculation has been made only with the change for the 2700 limit. But since my BKRs changed, then something other must changed on the process of the calculation of the BKRs. Did you changed anything else......?

24. August 2005, 11:33:15
Expired 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: That's good. Thanks.

24. August 2005, 11:29:11
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
reza: Well, I can add a switch to include inactive players on the chart pages.

24. August 2005, 11:28:38
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Chessmaster1000: 1) Because I wanted to. 2) Because I recalculated all BKRs from the beginning, just to reflect this change.

24. August 2005, 11:25:45
Expired 
Subject: Re:
Chessmaster1000: And where did the inactive players go to?

Isn't there a way to see them too?

24. August 2005, 11:22:43
Chessmaster1000 
Modified by Chessmaster1000 (24. August 2005, 11:24:02)
2 Questions:

1)Since Ed Trice is the inventor of Gothic Chess and since you include the other inventors of the games, why you removed his name........?

2)My rating on some games increased and on some decreased and as PlayBunny said this happened to him too. And you said that this is because the 2700 limit has been removed. But i can't see how this affects in any way the ratings! Except the cases when a player had a 2700 and stayed there after winning some games-but that doesn't happened in any of my games or PlayBunny's. So....

24. August 2005, 10:57:45
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Actively playing
AbigailII: The former is correct. Only the time of the last finished rated game counts, nothing else.

24. August 2005, 10:56:34
AbigailII 
Subject: Actively playing
Your rating drops off the charts if you're not active in a game for 6 months (paying) or 1 month (non-paying). It isn't clear to mean what active means. Does it mean you should have finished a game in the past 6/1 month(s)? Or could I just start 10 win match with a 30 day move period, move once a month, and stay on the charts forever, without my rating changing? I hope it's the former.

24. August 2005, 10:36:11
Fencer 
Subject: Re: BKR changes.
playBunny: It's the result of removing the max 2700 value. The BKRs were recalculated from the very beginning with this small change.

24. August 2005, 10:34:18
playBunny 
Subject: Re: BKR changes.
Modified by playBunny (24. August 2005, 10:34:38)
Fencer: I've found that my backgammon rating has gone up by 34 and more. Is that an expected result of the "clearout"? And, out of curiousity, is there any way for me to find where these extra points came from?

24. August 2005, 09:40:08
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Grim Reaper: Because I removed it.

24. August 2005, 09:17:08
Grim Reaper 
At this link...

http://brainking.com/en/SelectGameType

I see:

Extinction Chess
Very original chess variation invented by R. Wayne Schmittberger.

Knight Relay Chess
Very interesting chess variant, invented by Mannis Charosh in 1972.

Grand Chess
Grand Chess (by Christian Freeling) is a chess variant played on 10x10 board.

...yet my name was removed from Gothic Chess.

Why is it no longer there?

24. August 2005, 08:57:47
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Grim Reaper: Sure because the chart task runs once an hour, at 35 mins.

24. August 2005, 08:56:41
Grim Reaper 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: I swear I saw some oldies on that list when I first posted that message, but they are gone now!

24. August 2005, 08:36:31
Fencer 
They did.

24. August 2005, 08:27:16
Grim Reaper 
Weren't inactive players suppose to drop off of the rating lists?

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