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18. May 2009, 23:13:06
Bernice 
Subject: Fencer
I know it wont probably make any difference as you have already made up your mind.

I had a problem with them and was able to TELEPHONE a representative, and the problem was sorted over the phone.....below is what I get when I click on the "contact us" link.......



PayPal Customer Service:
1800-073-263


6.00 a.m. to 10.00 p.m. Monday to Saturday AEST




Identification preference
To help confirm that you're the account holder when you call, we have the following personal information on file:

Credit card number Change

Would you like to change your identification preference ?

19. May 2009, 00:15:30
alexlee 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Bernice:
The phone number I had was 1-888-221-1161. I just dialed it and it is still Paypal.

19. May 2009, 00:16:33
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Fencer
alexlee: yes mine is current for australia....sydney in fact.

19. May 2009, 00:46:55
Bwild 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Bernice: I called them...but the rep (1st one) said to mail everything in.....2 weeks later...they had no record of me sending anything....3 weeks later...rep 3 said still nothing, and I cant revert back to a personal acct.

19. May 2009, 00:58:25
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Modified by Bernice (19. May 2009, 00:59:02)
Bwild: well I had satisfaction from them.....but the point I was making....Fencer was whingeing about not enough room to explain his predicament on their email page.....is he able to ring someone? everyone apparently can ring, or isnt there a Paypal "office" in the Czech republic?

19. May 2009, 04:25:53
Mort 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Bernice: Maybe he just doesn't want to go through all the paper work. In the end the losers will be Paypal, as other and 'new' systems are available.

Sometimes it just ain't worth it if an alternative(s) do just as good.

19. May 2009, 04:36:56
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Fencer
(V): Thanks for answering on Fencers behalf.

19. May 2009, 08:57:32
Mort 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Bernice: Well... I can understand when you hit an organisation that denies it's made the mistake. I've been there... only to have them admit two weeks later that they did mess up. But they had annoyed me so much I went and changed to another organisation offering the same service... Turned out better for us as we now get more for our money

19. May 2009, 15:06:47
Czuch 
Subject: Re: Fencer
(V): In the end the losers will be Paypal, as other and 'new' systems are available.

What are you saying??? The free market will work things out for itself???

...thought for sure you would advocate for the government to step in and make the evil paypal pay dearly for their bad business sense! Maybe even take over all online payment systems


Mayber we can move this on to the politics board.... have you explain to me the difference between the evil banks, who need the government to take over, or even your example of intel VS AMD, or online payment services??? How you can say in one breath thatpaypal will be a victome of its own bad business, but cant see that is how it should work for all businesses?

19. May 2009, 17:17:00
"GERRY" 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Czuch: Maybe we should ask Fencer for a Better Business board & leave the politics out of it because we all know that there are not very good at running a sucessful busniness:))

19. May 2009, 18:00:02
Mort 
Subject: Re: Fencer
"GERRY": These days there in no guarantee for anyone to be able to run a successful business. We've had sole traders that have been around for decades now having to shut up. Some quite honestly saying that there is no help for them, banks won't help them, and the government will not help them.

And their mistake.. being in a field that the market has contracted so much there is not the business to operate. Even the last market collapse re Thatchers' boom and bust economic policy didn't break them.

Then there was the need to introduce a charge of corporate manslaughter...

19. May 2009, 20:02:36
"GERRY" 
Subject: Re: Fencer
(V): Isn't that the truth. I think the biggest concern over here is all the car company's

19. May 2009, 20:54:31
Mort 
Subject: Re: Fencer
"GERRY": Over here.. it was how on earth could some people make such bad contracts and decisions without full information on those they were buying. I mean... You'd want to see the full accounts first wouldn't ya!!

19. May 2009, 21:28:13
"GERRY" 
Subject: Re: Fencer
(V): I t all goes to the old saying would you buy a cart without a horse or are you going to pull it yourself:)))

20. May 2009, 02:31:05
Czuch 
Subject: Re: Fencer
"GERRY": I always thought the old saying was "dont put the cart before the horse"?

20. May 2009, 03:31:12
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Czuch:

20. May 2009, 06:17:01
Papa Zoom 
Subject: I don't know if there's any promise here or not but.....

20. May 2009, 07:11:15
Foxy Lady 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Czuch: Don't count the chickens before they hatch.

20. May 2009, 08:24:44
Fencer 
Subject: Re: I don't know if there's any promise here or not but.....
Artful Dodger: Thanks. I think that AlertPay is the best alternative at the moment because we already use it and it had been successfully tested by BrainKing users many times in the past.
Furthermore, they transfer funds to my bank account much faster than PayPal. It usually arrives in the next business day.

20. May 2009, 09:12:00
rabbitoid 
Subject: Re: I don't know if there's any promise here or not but.....
Fencer: Just for info: how long did an average paypal transaction take for BK? I ask, because the last time I renewed with paypal (during the easter egg) it was less than a minute between the final click on paypal and the confirmation on BK. I take it that it usually takes a bit longer?

20. May 2009, 09:16:08
Fencer 
Subject: Re: I don't know if there's any promise here or not but.....
rabbitoid: No, that's another issue. BrainKing is programmed to be triggered by PayPal (a secure HTTP request) just when the payment is received, so the whole process is fully automatic. However, this is still a PayPal-to-PayPal transaction, so I don't actually have the money yet.
What I am talking about is the PayPal-to-bank transfer (so the PayPal funds are converted to real money) which usually takes 5-7 business days to complete.

20. May 2009, 12:24:58
gogul 
Subject: Re: Fencer
"GERRY": I love this old saying: As Alaska glaciers melt, it's land that's rising.

20. May 2009, 15:12:35
gogul 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Czuch: No, Gerry is correct. The saying is there since the stone age.

20. May 2009, 15:45:46
gogul 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Modified by gogul (20. May 2009, 15:46:38)
Czuch: stone wheels, my friend. Most was made out of stones. Exept Paypal which worked with shells. Paypal is a very old company rising out of the "Pay Paleontological Corp.". Looks like you'll get booted from the board.

20. May 2009, 17:05:02
"GERRY" 
Subject: Re: Fencer
Czuch: LMAO & you know what though did don't you:))))

20. May 2009, 17:19:35
"GERRY" 
Subject: Re: Fencer
gogul: There could be some truth in that one because the Canadian north is expanding with people:))

21. May 2009, 18:27:20
tyyy 
Can someone help poor trepil?? he seems to be caught in a vortex, or frozen in hyperspace

23. May 2009, 00:23:09
rabbitoid 
Subject: Something odd
I should have played the euro millions lottery, The odds would have been far better...

I created a bunch of 4 chess massacres, look at the starting positions of these two:
Massacre Chess (rabbitoid vs. mangue)
Massacre Chess (rabbitoid vs. Luciano672)

23. May 2009, 00:29:31
Herlock Sholmes 
Subject: Re: Something odd
rabbitoid: I didn't compare them one by one ... but are they identical ? It "shouldn't" happen, lol ...

23. May 2009, 00:33:13
rabbitoid 
Subject: Re: Something odd
ChessVariant: maybe they got created in the same split second and got the same seed for the random generator. I agree, it shouldn't happen.

23. May 2009, 00:47:34
wetware 
Subject: Re: Something odd
rabbitoid: If they're identical, I might feel less hesitant to claim occasional dice rolling weirdness here, too.  But I really hate to move toward that conclusion, as I feel sure that the vast majority of "dice cheating" claims that are made against backgammon sites and (especially) backgammon software are completely groundless.  I do not wish to join the lunatic fringe.

23. May 2009, 07:49:14
rabbitoid 
Mostly random number generators are fair and pass every statistics test. The problem is that the generator has to be initialized somehow. After all, this is done by a computer. However complex the calculation, if you start with the same data you end with the same results, in this case the same "random" sequence. So what is mostly done is to initialise the generator by reading the system clock. Which works fine, provided you do it only once, maybe at system boot, and not game by game. I'm only guessing as to what might have happened, I have no idea how things are implemented here.

The fact is that two games are identical, which statistically is totally impossible.

23. May 2009, 09:01:02
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
rabbitoid: Maybe statistically, but it is logically possible.
But you can blame Sun: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#shuffle(java.util.List)

On the other hand, I am not sure if I reset the start position if multiple invitations are created at once.

23. May 2009, 10:11:44
pauloaguia 
Subject: Re:
Modified by pauloaguia (23. May 2009, 10:13:05)
Fencer: On the other hand, I am not sure if I reset the start position if multiple invitations are created at once.
I'd bet on this last one. It has happened to me in several games too... However, I have many different as well and they were created at the same time too...

23. May 2009, 20:12:58
Gouwe gozer 
As far as I can see is the same startposition in all my games in the same tournament. That means that my black games are equal in the starting position as my opponents when they play black. The same appears in my white games lol
A quick view in other games, in the same tournament, showed me exactly the same startingposition as well. I'm not sure the position is the same for the whole tournament, but I think yes In that case it's a fair tournament
The tournament I joined is a small one (5 players), it makes me curious for a bigger tournaments, everybody in the same position?

23. May 2009, 20:57:08
rod03801 
Subject: Re:
Gouwe gozer: I believe on the tournaments, it would depend on what the creator chose. There is the option when creating tournaments with games with "random" positions, to have everyone have the same set up or not.

23. May 2009, 21:00:30
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
rod03801: Your belief is confirmed.

23. May 2009, 21:16:44
wetware 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: I seem to recall playing in some tournaments (not here at BK) where that approach was used, and it was a great option.  It works exceptionally well with variants like fischerrandom progressive chess--where you can avoid having an over-analyzed starting position, but at the same time you don't want to give some players far more favorable/inferior positions than other players.

24. May 2009, 00:49:02
Gouwe gozer 
Thanks for the information and confirmation
Haven't create a tournament with this game but in my opinion a good option

31. May 2009, 18:07:36
Czuch 
Subject: last action
I am noticing that on most profile pages i see a "last action" line, says what time and day a person was here and what they are doing or if they have cloak mode....

But some profiles do not have this line available to see?

How does one have this info removed from their profiles anyway?

Also, I dont see this line on my own profile either, but I have done nothing to exclude it? Is it normal to not have this view for ourselves?

31. May 2009, 18:12:27
rod03801 
Subject: Re: last action
Czuch: Yes it is normal not to have this view of yourself. Don't you know what you are doing at that time anyways?

As far as the other question, it may have something to do with either you having them on your blocked user list, or them having you on their blocked user list. Just guessing on that one, but it seems the most logical explanation.

31. May 2009, 18:28:19
Czuch 
Subject: Re: last action
rod03801: That might be it then Rod, thanks!

I guess it is one way to find out who has you on blocked or enemies list....

Why should we even have any access to the profile of someone who has you on block then, I wonder?

Also, this issue of ponds, where people who have not been online cannot change their previous play, and people keeping track of this, makes it an advantage/disadvantage when this blocked user function comes into play, seems like this could be improved upon.... I gotta run now, but will have to give this some more thought

31. May 2009, 18:41:31
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Don't you know what you are doing at that time anyways?
rod03801: I can honestly say that I often don't know what I'm doing at the time I'm doing it.

1. June 2009, 04:50:36
Gouwe gozer 
As far as I know/understand, if you're on someone's blocked user (= enemies) list, you can't visit her/his page at all, can't sent messages, etc.

No idea yet about the question, but I've time enough to find out

1. June 2009, 04:52:02
rod03801 
Subject: Re:
Gouwe gozer: You can visit someone's profile even if they have you blocked

1. June 2009, 15:50:20
Czuch 
Subject: Re:
rod03801: Thats right, but you also cant see them on your "opponents online" link, or your "players online" link as well?

Now I wonder.... if you are in a game with them, and you "move and go to the next game with an opponent who is online" would someone who has you blocked still count?

1. June 2009, 18:51:45
Gouwe gozer 
ok, I change my view

1. June 2009, 19:32:14
Czuch 
Yeah... and you can still see them on your friends online column, and there is still a green dot beside their name on your list for waiting games, but not on your online users list or your online opponents list?

6. June 2009, 04:17:41
nodnarbo 
I'm having issues seeing some of the images in this game. Is it just me? I'm not having problems with any other games...

6. June 2009, 04:20:10
rod03801 
Subject: Re:
nodnarbo: I see them all fine when I click your link

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