I think you've hit on it BBW. Actually there is a technical term for what occured. "FART."

Faulty_Access - Routing_Terminated

These problems usually don't last long as the system reboots and releases the "GAS" (Governing Access System)of excess demands on it and false reporting of system ISP terminal originating signals.

Sometimes there is a minor "FART" in a system called a "TOOT" (Technical Overload Often Temporary) and these are generally unobserved by users even though they occur often they are the kind most people don't notice.

At any rate, I hope this technical explanation makes sense to you all. Sounds like things are back to the pre-2.0 change over. :)

What happened (in BBW's own words).

- Everyone could access the site
- BK started the switchover.
- Everyone could still access the site
- BK2.0 came up
- Everyone could still access the site
- (about 30 seconds after BK2.0 was up, it had problems)
- During one of the "down times", or "server reboots", WebTV's proxy server checks BrainKing, and does not see it - so it took it off it's list of working sites. (Proxy server keeps "copies" of some sites to increase speed - instead of the user from making it all the way to the destination and back, it stops half way at the proxy server and pulls that page - saving 1/2 the time)
- BrainKing 1.0 comes back on-line
- Most world can see BrainKing, but WebTV see's the broke proxy server copy of BrainKing
- WebTV after a day or so updated it's proxy server and now works for WebTV

OK - that is a very simple explination on what I think happened. :-)

Brian1971: There were a couple of webtv users testing BK2 before it went public as it were. They experienced no problems.

IMupChucKing: Yes, a couple of PC users did have a problem getting here after BK2 but that problem sorted itself out. Something to do with DNS and servers.

I'm not an expert, and I haven't read the computer board.... It seems to me that it was a problem with WebTV but the cause of the problem was BrainKing. If it wasn't for Brainking Switching over and then back, there would have been no problem at all.

BTW... Were there access problems for everyone in BK2? Or were there other problems including WebTv access?

Have a look at the computer board, Brian. I don't follow all of it, but it doesn't seem to be a problem at BrainKing that caused webtv users to be unable to access the site.

Yes it works good for webtv now. However my comment was such that if and when BK2.0 is here for good and if webtv will not be supported due to the coding or whatever reason, I feel webtv customers should be compensated for the unused portion of their membership as a result. Unlike other things like phone, cable, electric, etc where you pay so much a month and you are paying as you go, here you are paying in advance for a certain length of time based on the accessability. If the time comes that service is no longer available due changes beyond the consumer's control, they should be compensated accordingly. However I do feel they will take care of the webtv bug, because they do have a number of paying members on webtv. I am also curious if the NTL service had problems like the webtv service did.

Yes, the site seems to be fine for WebTV now

thank you harley :)

Okay.

Sorry ughaibu, I've hidden your messages for a while. You know language like that won't be tolerated.

Brian, most webtv users seem to be able to get back on now?

ummmmm ok

From you? Sometimes I want to share my unhappiness.

UG :o(

Edited

If Fencer makes this site unsupported from a webtv then I would need my funds back. I am paid through December 2005 on the basis that this a site that is accessable with webtv. If it changes then I think it would be reasonable to expect a refund.

LMAO, I think we should get to chose our own dice until the problem is fixed!!! Here, I'll use these red ones *reaches into pocket*

Love it LOL

LOL!

chess who???

...and you're playing chess...

everything is working fine, and it's nice and fast, but i'm still getting lousy dice:)

Check the computer DB. It sounds like some ISP are slow to refresh there DNS lookups or they are using proxy servers that just got confused lol.

Some Webtv users are getting back in now with no problems. I assume it's the same for all of them.

Is the message WebTV users are getting (about site being too busy) a page ON brainking, or a WebTV message?

One good thing Fencer - If BK2.0 went up, and webtv people were having problems - you would then be wondering if it was on your side with the new coding. But since everything is the same today as it was last week - it almost has to be something on WebTV's side.

Hi, all seems fine for me this morning. Not one problem so far, all is like it was before Saturday.

I was able to get one once Saturday during the BK2.0 use, and what I saw then looked pretty cool.
I have had the same problems as by reported by other webtv users over the last several days, but again, all seems 'normal' this morning, and I have not done anything on this end....

ood luck Fencer, and PLEASE don't get too frustrated and stop supporting WebTV :)

Buy me one Fencer. Something is going on. Not all of a sudden 50 people are more webtv users have bad browsers.

Don't say it to Liquid, he would kill you within ten seconds. Because we had spend almost the whole day investigating all possible problems OUTSIDE our server which is NOT a part of our responsibility and THE SITE IS NOT BUSY!
One more "problem" like that and I will mark WebTV as an unsupported platform.

I've done all of that. It still says to busy to use.

Aaarggghhhh! Nothing is going on here. Get a computer with normal browser instead of that "browser" with no support for meaningful error messages or HTTP header console.

Linda - read the .info page , there is stuff about the problems there for webTV users :o)

Finally.....
Hi everyone. After days of trying I am finally able to get here. I don't think it's a webtv problem. Something is going on here. I've been getting the to busy to use notice. It's 5:00am now and probably the only reason it let me in, less traffic. Deleting cookies didn't help either.

Seems funny though that after changing to bk2 then back, all of a sudden webtv users (not just Blue) cant access the site properly :o(

Too much of a coincidence

PrettyBlueEyes: What coding? There were no changes in HTML code for more than half a year! The site is working properly, it is tested and proven. And it IS compatible to WebTV. I have no idea why your device suddenly stopped working with it.

Sorry you're having such difficulties, Pretty. I hope you get things straightened out soon. :o)

I can finally enter the site after numerous numerous times today trying. But can't play any games. I can not get to my messages. I can not even read my own fellowships discussion board or some other discussion boards also. :(
I have called webtv technical support, they also tried accessing Brainking and were unable to.More then 1 technical person tried. They also told me that something in the coding in the games is making the pieces disappear. It is not compatible to webtv. We have no proxy cache I was told by them also. I hope that helps Fencer to maybe solve the problem for webtvers! :)

aparently webtv have tried to access the site and were not able to either. more than 1 webtv user have got them to try

Me too :-(

I miss my webtv friends :o(

just an odd glitch for you.. I click on logout, and it keeps taking me back to my main page !?

lol, I'd hate to have your hosting bill!!!

Fencer: 120 - 130GB of HTTP trafic, exclude mail trafic. ;-))))

I run about 10-15 on mine, but my sites very flash heavy and forums get alot of use.

Why should it be bad?

Ok, so it's not too bad.

wow ..I only managed 4GB on mine last month LMAO

About 120-130 GB a month.

Fencer, just a quick question. How much bandwith does this site use? I know the page views are out the roof, but the data can't be too high can it? 100GB month?

I've also posted a might be helpful tip on the Computers board that might help the webtvers out.

Thank you, I will add it.

Thanks Blue ;o)
I will pass it on.....

Fencer: Could that be added to the .info page as webTV users seem to be able to get there.