Lythande: Done.
Backoff: Who makes an illegal move, loses the game and also one or two othes ones, randomly picked :-D

Could you explain your reply to Backoff please.

It was a joke. Illegal moves should not be possible to do [except some special cases, fixed in BK 2.0].

Thanks.

Thank you. :)

rofl Fencer... i'll have to stop making those illegal moves now! ;-)

in backgammon too, Fencer?

now I'll wait for Dano's alter ego to invade my message box with rude remarks.. He always does when this subject comes up

lol.. solve THAT in bk 2.0!!!

:-D

rod, put him on your enemies list, then he can't send you any messages :o)

I believe that the game should (have been) be a draw, not a win for black. One task that black must take on in this situation, where they are in such control, is to manage the situation so that they do win. If they cannot do this they do not deserve to win and playing for the draw (successfully so in this situation) should be an option for white. The rules should definitely NOT be changed mid (or post) game.

I have just checked the rules and see that there is now a 3rd win condition that I do not remember before which references the "no valid move" situation. I expect this has just been added. This scenario was previuosly discussed in the Tablut DB without any change being considered appropriate then so I don't see why one is pertinent now. I do not agree with the rule change and believe that the game (would be) is devalued with this change ... just my opinion though.

*Edit* I have just done a search of other internet sites with Tablut and other similar variants. While some rules are slightly different (number of pieces, size of board, need for King to reach the corner, capturing against the King as well as pawns) none mention a rule whereby a win is awarded against a player not able to make a valid move ... I STRONGLY believe the rule change must go.

The rules were not changed, only completed.

I agree with Whisperz....

Linnaeus himself in his original record of the rules says a win if the king cant move. I agree that the king could move into that position as long as it had the possibility of leaving.

Ughaibu: Where do you find these rules by Linnaeus?

Just me? Or is this site running on slow motion tonight?

Mine has been fine, King. I'm on cable.

Yeah, I powered off and reset my system, Im better now :)

It's been a little slow at times for me also.

yeah, im having more problems again too...

I think they're in Murray's History of Board Games other than Chess. Why do you think a game like Lythande's should be drawn? The king has clearly been captured.

I think the draw is a valid result. In chess, for instance, there are the three conditions for a draw ... stalemate, thrice-repeated board postions and 50 moves (plus an agreed draw). All are situations where the player who might win should be able to control the play to ensure that the draw does not occur; if they do not, then they do not deserve to win. And so, I think, it should be here. This also ties in with an earlier discussion on the advantage white appears to have in this game and one proposal was touted whereby white could not repeat a move (maybe should be board position?) to generate "perpetual check". Again, I have not found this rule on any other sites, did Linnaeus included something on this?

I think the play by white in this game was quite clever to get to the end position once it was obvious they could not escape (or maybe they were just lucky?!). The more important issue is the game was played under one set of rules and decided by another. This is not the first time rules on this site have been changed mid(post)-game. While you say the King was clearly captured, in terms of the capture rule this is not so and moving into a beavy of defenders is part of the tactics of the game, so why should it change just at the end?

Could you move this to the tablut discussion board please?

mrloupcity, don't you dare let people bully you into not playing in tournaments! If you want to play slow, that's up to you not other people.
I've played you a few times and it's always been a pleasure and you've never played slowly.

mrloupcity , play at your own speed ,fast or slow there is no need to race to get a game finished ..they finish when they finish , if people complain about you moving slow it is THEM that is in the wrong tournaments not you

i have some games that have been running almost 14 months now and could take at least another 6 months lol ...... im a speed player when i get my finger out but there are days when i dont feel like it .
you cant make everyone happy lol

I can't imagine anyone complaining about mrloupcity. He's one of the nicest and politest people on brainking.

Believe it or not, sometimes the faster players irritate me (but just a little). If they'd just take more of the time limit to make their moves, I could get through more of my games. ;)

lol , like i said ..no matter how people play ,theres always someone who doesnt like your play ;)

Now one here can tell you how fast or slow to play. If the game has a 5 day time limit, then you have 5 days to move, and nobody can tell you any different. If someone want's you to move real fast, then they need to go to yahoo or msn and play real time games. This is a turned based gaming site and that's how it runs.

I played mrloupcity in a battleboats tournament once. THough the game took a long time to complete, I understand that I was not the only player he was playing and that he has a family to spend time with, friends to do things with, and ajob to pay the bills. Most of us have a life away from brainking and the internet in general. Those who live hear morning, noon, and night I suggest you go outside and see the sun, the moon, the stars. Heck there is a big world out there to see in person, and not just on a computer.

Thank goodness mrloupcity is back! Variety you know?

gasp! a life away from BrainKing? HERESY!

lololol

I am playing my first game ever with you. First of all, people should playing games for fun and secondly, everyone has different timme frames and other "emergencies" which can and do pop up...enyoy and play when you can!!!!!

I would rather not see the TNP used on BK anymore :o(

I know this has been asked before, but is there any reality over this more doubles for paying members in backgammon?

Ive been watching some of my games recently and it does seem to happen.

No !!!! If you threw real dice thousands of times, you could easily get loads of doubles in a row.. it's pure chance :-) just my opinion ofcourse ;-D

You only saying that cos youve paid Niki LMAO

yes, I've paid, but I'm not the one getting all the doubles .. remind me again why I paid !?! LOL !!

I have have noticed that since becoming a paid member, my chess opponents are forced to lose the exchange more often! Coincidence? I think not!! :-)

I had no children when I was a non member, now that I am a member, I will be having my first no later than Saturday (inducement if it makes it that far)
Is Fencer putting some sort of hormone on this site?
Coincidence? I think not!! :-)

Since becomeing a paid member, I threw away my sizzors, and my hair is now down past my waist....
Coincidence?

I found your sizzors, modified them and turned them into scissors

:D Thanks

actually, as far as handyman status goes, I got me 10 thumbbs here.
I would probably cut them off handling scissors.
My wife says I am accident prone but it has been more than a week since I cut myself in the kitchen so I am getting better

....offers bottle of 'New Skin' to LJ

steel mesh gloves may be better lol

....ouch...don't EVEN want to open up the 'TNP' can of worms...but on this one, I have to agree with Steve.

Fine them like i said will just go back to my corner and remove my remarks TYVM.

ok stevie it gone now.

You didnt have to take the whole post away LOL just 3 letters

Can you stop this off-topic discussion, please?