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6. September 2003, 02:06:52
california man 
Subject: Rules of Backgammon
You cannot use just one dice and have a acompleted play,Nowhere in the world is that allowed, "Gold Token" and Daily Gammon have solved that problem of making just one move, the game will not progress, Also, To allow time to run out when you are losing should cost the quitter points and the winner plus points.....I can't see myself paying to play here when these problems continue to exist, Also, the scoring system here is "for the birds".........california man,,,,,,,

6. September 2003, 02:12:36
danoschek 
Subject: Re: Rules of Backgammon
you're wrong not only at which board to use for your objection,
as already mentioned - there's a debate from several weeks ago ...

and here, indeed it is allowed ... rules are
a manner of agreement and not of a personal view ... ~*~

6. September 2003, 04:18:42
rgbdbg 
Subject: Re: Rules of Backgammon
California man, the matter here isn't really one of backgammon, but rather rules, software, and sportmanship.

I have to agree with you. I checked the posted rules on backgammon here on this site, and there is no mention of the deviation from the game what one would expect to play as backgammon.

In fairness, the one-die deviation should be posted in the on-site backgammon rules until the game deviation is fixed, if ever. It took IYT awhile to get their backgammon software up to snuff. BK is a young site; I'm sure it will take awhile for everything to get worked out here.

Since the software allows for only one die to be played when bearing off, it's not really cheating when one exercises that option, but it is not very sporting. I personally would never exercise that option.

For the short period that BK has been online, Fencer & company have done an outstanding job. We just need to be patient for perfection. :-)

btw, you do have the highest backgammon rating at BK, so expect some unsportsmanship from those who can not defeat you otherwise, and just don't play them anymore in social games. Some people just don't take losing well.

Congrats on your outstanding backgammon BKR.

peace

6. September 2003, 20:03:57
pyloric valve 
Subject: Re: Rules of Backgammon
This discussion has veered into a very deep philosophical discussion on the nature of cheating the importance of rules. Let me be clear. Whether or not there is a glitch in the software, it is cheating by any definition to take advantage of a mistake. Period. There are no ways aroudn it unless you cheat and you require justification. There is now way in which you can call a game backgammon and not play both die every turn. That is the fundamental nature of backgammon. I defy anyone to find such a rule for backgammon anywhere that it is played seriously. As such, whether it is possible to lpay without using both die IS COMPLETELY BESIDE THE POINT. It's possible to shoot each other, that doesn't mean that isn't illegal. Possibility is never a justification for doing the wrong thing. I challenge every player on the site to never use a bug to their advantage. It not only tarnishes your reputation but it makes you an awful player because you have not learned to play backgammon and as such makes you worse than someone trying hard to do the right thing even though they may be tempted to cheat.

6. September 2003, 21:45:30
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Rules of Backgammon
I agree completely, Pyloric Valve. As I'm sure MOST backgammon lovers do too.

I DO see Danoschek's point, that technically HERE, it is not cheating.
But it is NOT the universally accepted version of backgammon. PERIOD.
I'm sure that since a majority of backgammon players here would prefer the universally accepted rules to be implement here, I'm sure Fencer will at some point do this. He is a busy man!
I have often wondered if he would consider putting the game back a move if both parties agreed that would be the fair thing to do. (Maybe they weren't aware of the rule, and if you mention it to them, they agree to it).. Just a thought.

7. September 2003, 22:57:56
annabria 
Subject: Re: Rules of Backgammon
With freedom comes responsibility, it is a fact no matter how many would try to dispute it. One has total freedom to step off the cliff, yet it is not always the most responsible thing to do, especially if there is a stair down. Truthfully, being rather new to backgammon, I was not aware of some of the rules, and the bugs that can be caused by software logic problems. If I have violated this rule (or any for that matter), please forgive my ignorance and point it out to me, I will happily reform my manner of play.

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