Artful Dodger: to bad this board wasn't around for the past 8 years so we could have posted all kinds of republican bashing stuff all the time.....no party is perfect AD,ya need to stop obsessing...

DEMOCRATS BY THE NUMBER New Townhall.com blogger Dwayne Horner
recently compiled a stunning list of the tax transgressions by those
writing, creating and implementing the nation's tax policy. And so much more here.

$34,000: the amount of federal taxes that Secretary
of the Treasury Timothy Geithner (D) failed to pay during his
employment at the International Monetary Fund despite receiving extra
compensation and explanatory brochures that described his tax
liabilities.



$75,000: the amount of money that the head of the powerful
tax-writing committee, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), was forced to report
on his taxes after the discovery that he had not reported income from a
Costa Rican rental property. His excuses for the failure started with
blaming his wife, then his accountant and finally the fact that he
didn't speak Spanish.



$140,000: the amount of back taxes and interest that Cabinet nominee Tom Daschle (D)
was forced to cough up after the vetting process revealed significant, unexplained tax liabilities.



$800,000: the amount of "sweetheart" mortgages Senate Banking
Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) received from Countrywide Financial, the
details for which he has refused to release details despite months of
promises to do so.

Bernice:I typed in "I love you" and she replied:  "Buzz off creep!"

Czuch:  Obama needs to realize (and likely he does) that the stimulus package will, at least in part, define the early days of his presidency.  He needs to get this one right.

I don't know why he doesn't just look at the proposed package, and then start naming names of all those in congress that piled on the pork.  Expose them and make it clear that they are using the stimulus package as an excuse for pork.  But he won't cuz he ain't got the backbone to do that sort of thing.  But wouldn't it be great if the sitting democratic president took on the fat cats and let them have it publically? 

anastasia: just speaking it as I see it LOL

Bernice: I wish I had smilies...I would give ya the ones that clap their hands!!

Lisa G: you cannot hide it under the carpet...regardless of your opinion, people are also entitled to theirs.

Artful Dodger: yeah, its true, and i think Obama has finally figured this out as well.... I guess he had a meeting with some congress members and pretty much told them to get the pork out and to look closer at some of the Republicans ideas, like some of the tax cuts plans, and to get this bill in shape to pass ASAP!

This whole economy issue is bigger than politics, and politics must stay out of it!

I think the original version had only something like 20% that actually went to infrastructure! This is supposed to be mostly about pumping money into our infrastructure, wasnt it???

Artful Dodger: Enough is enough on abortion.

Artful Dodger: another thing that bothers me. Doctors that preform abortions make tons of money.
so do heart surgeons,plastic surgeons,etc...Do you not have any free womans clinincs that help lower income women out in your area?
I don't believe that tax payers should be MADE to fund abortion...thats wrong (OMG did I again NOT fit into some idea of your mold of me because I am agreeing with you on this!!??) I also feel that more plans need to be out there to PREVENT pregnancy in the first place....certainly NOT as hog wild as Pelosi stated,but SOMETHING needs to be done,we actaully kind of had this disscusion before..the women addicted to crack that keep having kids...my thought,sterilize them,end of story....abortion should NEVER be used because some woman made a stupid drunk desicion to have unprotected sex one night...sux it up and deal with it,BUT what if she was raped?? insest?? some 12 year old girl is raped and gets pregnant..what if the baby is going to be deformed or retarded?? tell me WHERE in nature (unless their is human intervention in most cases) that you will find a deformed animal...you don't because nature takes care of it own...we have such a God complex that we feel we MUST save all life...there need to be guidlines on this priocudure..but WHY would anyone want to make it ilegal and FORCE a woman or young girl to have to go to the old "back ally" way of doing it when we HAVE the know how now to preform it safely?

Bernice: There is always something that will make a child eat his vegies LOL
like I have previuosly stated...it gets very tiresome to argue when they only want to see one side of things...I TRY,to a point to see the entire spectrum,but they insist on grouping me into "liberal" and crap like that,I dont fit into THEIR mold,but they dont want to seem to notice that...well,in all fairness,Chuckie does,sometimes..They are condemming Obama,he is ruining our great country, and he hasn't even been in a month...bit hard to take the country down in less then a month...as far as that goes,I CHOOSE not to get into a pissing match with them,easier on everyones nerves

Bernice:  Nuff of this chatter.  The mod may get upset and tell us we're off topic.    He can kiss my butt.  oppps, I'd better go to bed before I get into trouble. 

Artful Dodger: hahahaha...it is a billabong, and it is only a waterhole.....

Bernice:I want to go waltzing with matilda and find a billy bong or whatever it's called. 

oh.........nite :)

Artful Dodger: hahahaha... he lives in America, you would have more chance of meeting him than I ROFLMBO...


walkabout in the outback? god you wouldnt last one day in the heat/flies/humidity....many have perished doing what you want to do :)

Bernice:That'd be so much fun.  ;)  My wife just said she'd love to visit there too.  Winter here is best to visit there.  I'd love to go on a walkabout in the outback.  :)  Do you know where crocodile dundee lives?  ;)  nite...

Artful Dodger: there is a spare bed here for ya.......

Bernice:Ok, I'll do that.  I don't know enough about Australia.  I would so love to visit.  ;)

Artful Dodger: yep Im a "snucker" ROFLMBO..........I have so many games going now I have to keep coming back to play them.......most games I have ever played on here....must have nothing better to do, but we are flooded in I guess hehehehe

Artful Dodger: that is for the ACT, which is our capital territory....scroll down and click on Queensland....it don't tell you much....

Foxy Lady:  yeah, she snuck back on me.  ;)  Good thing I'm off to bed very soon. 

And now back to our regularly scheduled argument. 

Artful Dodger: That's what you think.

Bernice:  You snuck back  :)

For Bernice:

http://www.actrtla.org.au/about.htm

Artful Dodger: I'm watching you

Foxy Lady:See, now she left so I can be naughty again. 

Artful Dodger:

Foxy Lady:  See why we need Bernice around here?  She keeps Czuch and I in line.  lol.  Bernice isn't afraid to disagree with me.  Or slap me upside my head. 

I never knew there were so many different groups out there opposed to abortion.  Sure the religious right is once such group, but I was surprised to find the following:

Atheists http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

Feminists  http://www.feministsforlife.org/

Democrats  http://www.democratsforlife.org/ 

Libertarians  http://www.l4l.org/

Others:  http://mommylife.net/archives/2008/07/prolife_feminis.html

It's worth the time to consider their arguments on such an important issue.

Bernice:

Bernice:he'll be back  lol

Bernice: Even some of my "fellow Christians" have beat up on me for not belonging to their affiliation.  (not on BK but other forums, of which I no longer participate). 

Artful Dodger: where is Czuch when ya don;t want him

Bernice:I agree.  The issue itself is a political football.

Artful Dodger: well that is the same with religion as well....I notice on here that a lot of people impose their religious beliefs on others....I have given up joining a lot of the "older" type boards on here as they are too "one-eyed" for me

Artful Dodger: I also agree with ya but if broaching the subjects in question like adults there is no reason that we all can't agree to disagree and still have a lively debate ROFL.........but then this is a POLITICS board not a "freedom to life" board HAHAHAHA

Bernice:Doesn't it seem odd to you that the pro-choice advocates don't want others to impose their views on abortion on other people, and yet they want to pass laws that will require all tax payers to help fund abortions (through taxes).  I don't know what the issue is like where you are but here in the States it's a divisive issue.   

Artful Dodger: Your right there.

Artful Dodger: I dont know of any abortion clinics in Queensland so can't really comment . But what you have said in my opinion seems a bit strange that people can make lots of money due to the bad choices/bad luck of others

Foxy Lady:  I don't blame ya  ;)  That and religion are probably the two hottest topic buttons one can push.

Artful Dodger: This is one debate i'll stay away from.

Bernice:  another thing that bothers me.  Doctors that preform abortions make tons of money.  Abortion makes the millionaires.  It seems to me that anyone that stands to make so much money preforming an abortion shouldn't be in on the decision of the woman.   I realize that most often the decision is likely between the woman and her private physician and that she would be referred to the specialist, but it strikes me as odd that so much money could be made by such a practice.

Bernice:  I wonder if people (in the church) were just trying to do the right thing but were so seriously misguided that they made such poor judgments?  I don't know.   I'm sure there was plenty of religious arrogance that played a part in such decisions as well.

Artful Dodger: I was a convert to catholicism....I had to convert or I couldn't get married, and I was pregnant at the time ROFL.......such archaic laws they were then

my god I cant believe I put a big "laughy" after that...sorry

Artful Dodger: and I agree with you as she did have one other child, who was eventually brought up by his catholic grandmother...such a sad case

Bernice:  I would always opt to save the life of the mother in those cases.  Without exception.  That is the predominate view of most protestant churches.