Artful Dodger: Some people in AMERICA still think that NASA faked it. Some people still think Elvis is alive and living with aliens.. or is an alien.

Some people still think that God is going to end the world .. physically. Some people just like to live in fear

In the 14th century, the French surgeon Guy de Chauliac quoted al-Tasrif over 200 times. Pietro Argallata (d. 1453) described Abū al-Qāsim as "without doubt the chief of all surgeons". Abū al-Qāsim's influence continued for at least five centuries, extending into the Renaissance, evidenced by al-Tasrif's frequent reference by French surgeon Jacques Delechamps (1513–1588).[citation needed]

The street in Córdoba where he lived is named in his honor as "Calle Albucasis". On this street he lived in house no. 6, which is preserved today by the Spanish Tourist Board with a bronze plaque (awarded in January 1977) which reads: "This was the house where lived Abul-Qasim."[citation needed]

Abu al-Qasim Khalaf ibn al-Abbas Al-Zahrawi (936–1013), (Arabic: أبو القاسم بن خلف بن العباس الزهراوي‎) also known in the West as Abulcasis, was an Andalusian Arab physician. He is considered the greatest medieval surgeon to have appeared from the Islamic World, and has been described by some as the father of modern surgery.[1] His comprehensive medical texts shaped both Islamic and European surgical procedures up until the Renaissance. His greatest contribution to history is the Kitab al-Tasrif, a thirty-volume encyclopedia of medical practices.[2]

Not always properly credited, Abū Al-Qāsim's al-Tasrif described both what would later became known as "Kocher's method" for treating a dislocated shoulder and "Walcher position" in obstetrics. Al-Tasrif described how to ligature blood vessels almost 600 years before Ambroise Paré, and was the first recorded book to document several dental devices and explain the hereditary nature of haemophilia.[citation needed] He was also the first to describe a surgical procedure for ligating the temporal artery for migraine, also almost 600 years before Pare recorded that he had ligated his own temporal artery for headache that conforms to current descriptions of migraine.[citation needed] Abū al-Qāsim was therefore the first to describe the migraine surgery procedure that is enjoying a revival in the 21st century, spearheaded by Elliot Shevel a South African surgeon.

Abū al-Qāsim also described the use of forceps in vaginal deliveries.[3] He introduced over 200 surgical instruments.[4] Many of these instruments were never used before by any previous surgeons. Hamidan, for example, listed at least twenty six innovative surgical instruments that Abulcasis introduced.[citation needed]

His use of catgut for internal stitching is still practised in modern surgery. The catgut appears to be the only natural substance capable of dissolving and is acceptable by the body. Abū al-Qāsim also invented the forceps for extracting a dead fetus, as illustrated in the Al-Tasrif.[5]

Glenn Beck on web tv.. yet another web channel

Artful Dodger: So.. that means your previous excuses that torture is justified has now been blown away by your own words.

How do you think Jesus would react to Christians saying torture is ok?

Übergeek 바둑이: Just take it as he has no argument.

As obviously he doesn't and cannot if he was playing on a level field. At the moment all he's doing is twisting and changing the conditions of proof to avoid answering.

Artful Dodger: Are you talking about all those posts you deleted? If so.. how can any one find them if you (as told) deleted them so others couldn't see your mean side?

rod03801: Religion is just one of the oldest forms of being able to excuse being a crap human. Modern versions include, race, money, political affiliation, sex, married status, sexuality, class, atheism, physical appearance, etc, etc, etc....

I would like to see the historical data on such a claim. I've never heard of such a death rate.

That Christians converted to Islam to avoid paying taxes back then.. that I know. That Christians were treated better than people of non-Abrahamic faiths.. that I know.

That at the time most Kings/Nobles, etc were expanding their land (just as which caused America to be 'found') .. that I know.

But that half of Europe's population was killed (basically what Art is saying)... ... Never taught in all the History classes at school (of which I got very good grades)

So I'll take such as another Islamophobic lie until someone can provide proof. Funny thing is under what Christ said.. such a lie .. God ain't gonna be happy with you.

On 1095-NOV-27, the Pope called on Europeans to go on a crusade to liberate Jerusalem from its Muslim rulers. "The first and second wave of Crusaders murdered, raped and plundered their way up the Rhine and down the Danube as they headed for Jerusalem." 1 The "army" was primarily composed of untrained peasants with their families, with a core of trained soldiers. On the way to the Middle East, they decided that only one of their goals was to wrest control of Jerusalem from the Muslims. A secondary task was to rid the world of as many non-Christians as possible - both Muslims and Jews. The Crusaders gave the Jews two choices in their slogan: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed as the first Crusade passed through. Some Jewish writers refer to these events as the "first holocaust." Once the army reached Jerusalem and broke through the city walls, they slaughtered all the inhabitants that they could find (men, women, children, newborns). After locating about 6,000 Jews holed up in the synagogue, they set the building on fire; the Jews were burned alive. The Crusaders found that about 30,000 Muslims had fled to the al Aqsa Mosque. The Muslim were also slaughtered without mercy.

The Roman Catholic church taught that going to war against the "Infidels" was an act of Christian penance. If a believer was killed during a crusade, he would bypass purgatory, and be taken directly to heaven. By eliminating what might be many millennia of torture in Purgatory, many Christians were strongly motivated to volunteer for the crusades. "After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church." 3

These mass killings were repeated during each of the 8 additional crusades until the final, 9th, crusade in 1272 CE. Both Christians and Muslims believed that they were fighting on God's side against Satan; they believed that if they died on the battlefield they would be given preferential treatment in the Christian Heaven or the Muslim Paradise. Battles were fought with a terrible fierceness and a massive loss of life. Over a 200 year period, perhaps 200,000 people were killed. The Muslim warrior Salah a-Din subsequently recaptured Jerusalem from the Christians.

By the end of the crusades, most European Christians believed the unfounded blood-libel myths -- the rumor that Jews engaged in human sacrifice of Christian children. A long series of Christian persecutions of the Jews continued in Europe and Russia into the 20th century. They laid the foundation for the Nazi Holocaust.

.... Martin Luther. 1543

“What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, we can not tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy. In this way we cannot quench the inextinguishable fire of divine rage nor convert the Jews. We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. Perhaps we may save a few from the fire and flames [of hell]. We must not seek vengeance. They are surely being punished a thousand times more than we might wish them. Let me give you my honest advice.

First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians.

Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing.

Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught.

Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more…

Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews. For they have no business in the rural districts since they are not nobles, nor officials, nor merchants, nor the like. Let them stay at home…If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination…

To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden – the Jews… Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew. When you lay eyes on or think of a Jew you must say to yourself: Alas, that mouth which I there behold has cursed and execrated and maligned every Saturday my dear Lord Jesus Christ, who has redeemed me with his precious blood; in addition, it prayed and pleaded before God that I, my wife and children, and all Christians might be stabbed to death and perish miserably. And he himself would gladly do this if he were able, in order to appropriate our goods… Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune. I have read and heard many stories about the Jews which agree with this judgment of Christ, namely, how they have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnapped children, as related before. I have heard that one Jew sent another Jew, and this by means of a Christian, a pot of blood, together with a barrel of wine, in which when drunk empty, a dead Jew was found. There are many other similar stories. For their kidnapping of children they have often been burned at the stake or banished (as we already heard). I am well aware that they deny all of this. However, it all coincides with the judgment of Christ which declares that they are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil, who sting and work harm stealthily wherever they cannot do it openly. For this reason, I would like to see them where there are no Christians. The Turks and other heathen do not tolerate what we Christians endure from these venomous serpents and young devils…next to the devil, a Christian has no more bitter and galling foe than a Jew. There is no other to whom we accord as many benefactions and from whom we suffer as much as we do from these base children of the devil, this brood of vipers.”

Blood Brothers and the Global Axis of Evil
by Dr. Robert D. Crane
In case anybody ever wondered whether Imam Khomeini and Syed Qutb shared the same triumphalist philosophy and the same strategy for global conquest, the following grotesquely un-Islamic quote is enlightening: “The revolution of the Iranian people is just the start of a bigger revolution in the Islamic world - establishing an Islamic world government.”

One of Islam’s greatest Islamic scholars, Ibn Taymiya, many centuries ago died in prison for daring to condemn any and all political pretensions of the Caliphate. He spent a great part of his life in prison for declaring that the only function of the Caliphate is not even as a symbol of political unity but represents exclusively a vision of the transcendent moral values and principles of justice shared globally by Islam’s great scholars and men of wisdom.

The proper name for those who follow the worldly pursuit of power is Neo-Conservative, regardless of the religion they pervert. The NeoCons, whether in the halls of Washington or the caves of Afghanistan, are not conservative at all. They are secular liberals in the worst sense, which is the opposite of the traditionalist sense of classical liberal thought which welcomes moral community founded on the ultimate sovereignty of the person subject only to the sovereignty of God. All NeoCons are motivated by existential fear of extinction and obsessed with their own power as the solution to all problems. In America, they are motivated by existential fear of a coming global chaos, not by faith-based hope or by any vision on how to address the causes of chaos. In the Muslim world they are motivated by fear of the American NeoCons’ proud strategy of creative destruction, to which the Muslim NeoCons counter with a similar strategy of their own.

The NeoCons reliance on their own power means that they must pursue power as their ultimate goal, first by gaining control of all levers of power, especially the monopoly of power in government, and then using this power to combat creative destruction. Caught in a common paradigm of power, with no concern for compassionate justice, self-evaluation, and faith-based reconciliation, they pursue ever greater destruction in a never-ending spiral of demented desperation.

Neo-Cons share the paradigm of all violent utopians and therefore are true followers of the French Revolution, Communism, Nazism, and apocalyptic Zionism. The Great American Experiment was founded to avoid the trends toward such secular extremism that were already surfacing two centuries ago and that threatened to become more dangerous even than the religious extremism that had wracked Europe for so many centuries. Today, the two most violent forms of extremism, secular NeoConism and religious Binladenism, are mirror images of each other. They are trying to destroy each other on the global stage like two scorpions in a bottle.

The greatest danger in the pursuit of compassionate justice is the temptation to become utopian and turn the paradigm of justice into a new secular religion, which ultimately in its frustration at failure may result in resort to the creative destruction that lies at the base of both capitalism and socialism. Some true revolutionaries propose a just third way to reverse the wealth gap under the slogan “Own or Be Owned,” by expanding capital ownership through reform of the systems of money and credit. They insist that the human right individually to own the means of production is universal and is recognized by all the world religions. But, they must beware of the temptation in all revolutionary movements to adopt the mindset of the NeoCons, whereby the end justifies the means.

Even those who legitimately pursue justice must guard against the temptations to create a sectarian religion by transforming the means of justice into ultimate ends. By pursuing justice as a tactical means in the pursuit of power, their totalitarian mentality would pervert the pursuit of justice into a totalitarian evil. The NeoCons pose the ultimate terrorist threat to humankind because they worship themselves in a vicious circle of ontological solipsism and therefore deny the authority of a transcendent natural law.

By creating their own positivist international law, which Kissinger on August 12, 2002, declared was the real purpose for invading Iraq, the NeoCons in every culture deny the sources of transcendent law. They deny, first, the guidance of divine revelation, known in Islamic law as haqq al yaqin, second, the guidance evident in the diversity and coherent unity of the universe, known as ‘ain al yaqin, and, finally, the guidance of human reason or ijtihad, known as ‘ilm al yaqin, to process the first two. They deny the “great jihad” or jihad al kabir, which is the intellectual jihad that builds on the primary or greatest jihad, the jihad al akbar, which is self-purification, and the lesser jihad, known as the jihad al saghrir, which is the duty of self-defense through the use of force when all the requirements of the Islamic just war doctrine have been met.

The false conservatives, whether they are known as Neo or Salafi or Fascist, form the real axis of evil in the world. They come from the same source and cooperate unwillingly as blood brothers in producing the same result, which is their mutual self-destruction as Beasts of the Anti-Christ.

Artful Dodger: I'm sorry, but such a statement makes me think you have no idea of what you are talking about. Islamic followers are Muslim, as followers of Jesus are called Christians. It's to do with that Islam has depth that is lost in just one word, just as Christ has much depth in what it means... "the anointed one".. Greek, Messiah .. Hebrew, Logos.. Greek.

"And they are simply following the words of the Koran exactly."

Says who? Interpretation of Holy books is such a finicky thing. One person says A, another about the same passage can say AB.. that's why we have so many different Christian faiths. I remember you some time back condemning all other Christian views bar your own view as supporters of the Anti-Christ.. yet, you appear to have changed, as represented by your recent comments on LDS... At one time you considered all Mormons being in league with sAtAn.

"So-called moderates are either lying to the West or they aren't following the teachings of Mohammed."

If you don't know that followers of the Islamic faith are all Muslims.. ...

Try a library maybe.

Gary Ashcroft
Posted April 13, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Katelyn,
I can understand your antipathy to the assertions I made in my article. I would probably display a similar reaction if I possessed the same understanding of sharia that you possess. However, through cautious and careful research, coupled with the guidance of thoughtful professors, I have come to see sharia in a much more nuanced light. Islamic law, like much else in life, is best comprehended not from a Manichean, black-and-white perspective, but from a vantage point which acknowledges relative degrees of truth and value.

The fact of the matter is that all legal systems have their strengths and weaknesses. Western law systems, including our own, have perpetrated gross violations of human rights that are comparable to the negative aspects of sharia. If you will remember, our legal system has in recent years sanctioned the use of torture on suspected “enemy combatants,” many of whom had no link to terrorist groups or operations. Obviously, the affirmation of such violations of human rights is repugnant, with our legal system’s temporary approval of such measures besmirching the reputation of our judiciary. However, just because negative occurrences have been manifest in our legal system, does that warrant condemning the entire structure? I would answer with a resounding “no.”

In examining the outcomes of sharia, we can arrive at similar conclusions. Yes, sharia does have some negative consequences, but I would assert that it has generally had an ennobling influence on mankind. When Christian Crusaders were indiscriminately killing Jewish and Muslim civilians, Saladin’s Muslim forces maintained sharia provisions for protection of civilians and their rights, regardless of religion. In the same sense, while much of Christian Europe maintained Mesozoic views on the property and divorce rights of women, Mohammad was introducing reforms that gave Muslim women some of the most liberal entitlements of that day and age. In light of such facts, I think any effort to condemn sharia due to a few backwards provisions is a manifestation of wanton ignorance of the good it has done.

As for your discussion of honor killings, may I point out to you that such happenings are illegal according to Islamic law? There is no discussion in the Qu’ran, Hadith, or fiqh (general Islamic jurisprudence) concerning crimes of shame, and correctly interpreted Islamic law doesn’t sanction honor killings. Yes, such atrocities do take place in Islamic countries, but I would say that they are more cultural than religious in nature. Arab culture, among both Christian and Muslim Arabs, has historically been a tribal. Tribal cultures, no matter what their religious affiliation, have been notorious for embracing the practice of honor killing. In fact, the Coptic Christians of Egypt have performed many honor killings over the course of the past few years.

Concerning the Muslim Brotherhood, I would like to point out that it is by and large a very centrist, moderate Islamist party. In fact, I would liken the Ikhwan, as they are known, to Europe’s Christian Democratic movement. America and its Middle Eastern dictatorial puppets have a tendency to label all Islamist parties as being extremist, but Islamism is a very fragmented and diverse philosophy. To equate the Ikhwan to Wahhabis or the Taliban is like equating modern Christian Democrats to Franco’s Catholic fascism- it doesn’t make any sense.

As far as Glenn Beck’s Islamophobia goes, I think it is patently obvious that he employs such fear-mongering. I watch Glenn Beck’s show pretty frequently (for comedy’s sake only!) and he regularly makes overtly false and incendiary comments about Islam. If such actions are not Islamophobia, then I’m not sure what is.

http://www.byupoliticalreview.com/?p=99812

Tuesday: Abraham being a common link between all 3 Judaism based religions... Abrah's??

Artful Dodger: So... Moses and everyone before Christ and everyone after Christ but before his word was spread is automatically damned?? What about the Good Samaritan?

Artful Dodger: Using God again!!!

"....ny person who understands the geography, economics, and history of the region knows full well that a two-state solution is the fantasy of a liberal mind. Since the left does not believe in common sense, G-d made the rule that the land should not be divided--and if it is, He will enter into judgement on account of the land as well as the mistreatment of His heritage, Israel. The land, based on prophecy, will be divided and those who support such a division need to watch out, for G-d clearly states in Joel 3:2 NKJ why He will judge the nations who divide His land, when his arm (Messiah) will come in battle for Israel. .."

Well I guess it helps him sell a myriad of books, videos and pay per view.

Personally I think he's just jumping on the band wagon like a snake oil seller.

.. with "Pirates of the Caribbean" music playing in the background....

Former Bosnian Serb army chief Ratko Mladic has filed an appeal against his extradition to the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague. His family says Gen Mladic is too sick to travel, but the Serbian government is expected to reject the appeal.

Gen Mladic is accused of committing war crimes during the Bosnian war, including the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of 7,500 Muslim men and boys.

Gen Mladic was seized last Thursday in Lazarevo village, north of Belgrade. On Sunday, thousands of people rallied in Belgrade against his arrest. The demonstrators hailed the general as a Serbian national hero. About 100 people were arrested during clashes with police in the Serbian capital.

Know your enemy
Jerry Philipson

Artful Dodger: This could be said of many religious people based on events rather than it's Holy Book. Some who call themselves Christians love the idea of all others (including many Christians as well) dying... Some Muslim extremists relish the same idea.

But both Christianity and Islam preach love thy neighbour and not to bear false witness.

Artful Dodger: Such a rose coloured view of Israeli policy. Especially as Israel seem to be getting confused.

Sounds like the IRA money raisers in the USA painting the "cause" as noble while civilians on all sides were dying.

Artful Dodger: Like those who missed Obama being elected as it was not news worthy? Maybe some read this newpaper and still thought Bush was El President.

Übergeek 바둑이: And of the supplies to the IRA that Gaddafi made in response to an attack by the USA in the 80's on Tripoli... One word that comes from the times that Gaddafi supplied the IRA.. SEMTEX.

....The Lockerbie bombing was just one instance, while the SEMTEX was used in at least 250 booby trap bombings.

"In contrast, our warplanes have killed two of Gaddafi's sons and three of his grandchildren, all aged under 2."

And of the many kids killed or hurt by the weapons he provided to the IRA... which the Libyans and old IRA members have confirmed (as did the capture of one shipment) he did authorise the supply of weapons including... AK47's.. surface to air missiles and SEMTEX.

.. 120 tonnes of weapons .. 5 tonnes captured.

PaoloRus: Gaddafi is a known aggressor.. are you saying Bush and Obama have committed worse acts of terrorism and mass murder, or killed more of their own people then Gaddafi has?

I know the west has/is a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to violence but.... ....!!

Artful Dodger: Isn't "left" a relative term to a persons own perceived political stance.

The Communist party in the UK would say that the Labour party is right of them politically. Yet the Conservative party would say the Labour party is left of them... yet Labour would say the Conservative were right even though the BNP would say the Conservatives are left wing relatively.

Artful Dodger: But there isn't a US Liberal Party, it's just a general term. Like Republican, Democrat and Moderate.

Tuesday: That's like the Daily Mail. When most of the UK's papers are reporting 'X' as the headlines.. The Daily Mail comes up with a story that most would consider just plain gossip, or highly selected words that end up with them in the courts again!!

rod03801: And it seems a 'good bulk' of cons state that all 'lib' policies are socialist.. which, it seems is a relative term. I can understand disagreement, but using a term which thanks to the Cold War is considered anti American and an insult just appears to be playing old stereotypes.. Which Conservatives appear to complain they are being targetted by.

Just more "false conflict" is it not?

It seems though from what I've read that the terms (democrat/republican) realistically in terms of being conservative/liberal/moderate have no real meaning. It is possible that a Republican can be liberal and that a Democrat can be conservative. When saying (as it seems to be the way on this board) the likes of "democrats are 'x', republicans are 'y'" it appears this is a void argument.

When the likes of Charles Krauthammer are considered 'neo-conservative' yet hold many "liberal" ideas, such as ...."legalized abortion, an opponent of the death penalty, an intelligent design critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus on evolution, calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict;" a supporter of embryonic stem cell research using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications, and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes to induce conservation"

Political fencing of ideas into camps is imho a fallacy.

Tuesday: Morality of the dollar in some cases I think.

"can't get used to a new face in the White House, and it's the white trash that don't and can't vote and can't get used to a new face in the White House."

But it was inevitable after the end of segregation and out birth of the various civil rights movements that someone rather than a white male would end up as President. Just as Maggie Thatcher ended up breaking the run of all male Prime Ministers.

What is the difference between British Conservatism and American Conservatism?

various comments...

...."A lot. British conservatives, politicians all together don't base their campaigns on issues like gay marriage, stem cell research, pro-life/pro-choice and all the rest of the unnecessary garbage Americans waste their time arguing about."

"British conservatives are the equivalent of moderate American Democrats. The education system in Britain is a lot better than in America, so they don't have this thing we Americans call a "Republican". This is a person who thinks its still 1952, the red scare is in, women belong in the kitchen, minorities belong anywhere but here, and we all pray to a crinkly old white guy with a flowing white beard. Hence the term "Stupid Redneck republicans".

On an interesting side note, in the UK, as well as in every industrialized country besides America, the working class realizes that conservatives represent the wealthy. They might still vote conservative if the Labor party does something ugly like abuse funds (happened recently I think), but by and large they know that conservatives are bad news for the working man. Only in America has the conservative party managed to fool the rednecks into voting for the very party that keeps them in the trailer park."

...."Both are fiscally conservative, but there's much more social conservatism in the US. If you had to compare them, then I'd say: American conservatism is made up of 50% fiscal conservatism and 50 % social conservatism. British conservatism is made up of 85% fiscal conservatism and 15% social conservatism."

GT: Why then was Bush having those who were protesting against the Iraq war "moved" away from areas he was making a public appearance to what were called "free speech zones"?

Übergeek 바둑이: Not everyone. Some do swear by such methods. It is also very much encouraged throughout school years now.

"Then there is public transport, but it is more comfortable to bring out the old SUV."

Not for those commuting to London or in London. Buses, trains and the tube make far more sense. Even in our area, public transport is very reliable and well supported and well used. So much so, that residents have won more hours on routes they felt ended to early in the evening.

Übergeek 바둑이: Hopefully the long term result will be a shying away from these doom and gloom merchants and the lining of their pockets.

N' yes I think I might email Harold and ask him what he intends to do with his ill gotten cash. If he needs it or not

Artful Dodger: Oh yes it can.. It certainly could take away the need for reliance of certain communities via solar, wind and through recycling their night soil, from the national grids.

At the moment our council burns most non recycled waste and turns that into energy rather than land fill.

It is possible for small communities to be pretty much energy reliant, as an example.. the first guy to put electric lights in his house, powered his house via a water wheel and dynamo system. No national grid, as it hadn't even been thought of.

Several people in the UK run their cars on recycled oil from the local chippy.

I imagine some guy owning a farm in the middle of the USA could if he wanted install enough to create a near or total independence from the power grid.

... Interesting that Harold Camping's "Family Radio" is worth about $110 million dollars of which 1/3 is invested into the stock market. You would have thought that if the world is ending the church would give away such assets as it no longer needs them.

.. Yet Harold is now saying he got the significance of May 21st wrong..

"Through chatting with a friend over what he acknowledged was a very difficult weekend, it dawned on him that instead of the biblical Rapture in which the faithful would be swept up to the heavens, May 21 had instead been a “spiritual” Judgment Day, which places the entire world under Christ’s judgment, he said."

... Now the 'faithful' must wait till October 21st for the world to end.

Artful Dodger: Student after Student... I think they thought it was a craic!!

As for supporting Hitler... Perhaps Henry Ford is to close to home for you? As he and the likes of GM owned and profiteered from manufacturing plants used by the Nazi's to build war machines.

At the end of WWII ".....GM and Ford demanded reparations from the U.S. Government for wartime damages sustained by their Axis facilities as a result of Allied bombing...."

Tuesday: With respect to the interpretation held by these guys... A certain faithful few will go to heaven, the rest of us who do not believe as these faithful few are hellbound.

It seems that the interpretation held, also says the whole cosmos(not just the world) is going to end as well. Any other life out there is facing being 'raptured' along with us humans.

.. That is what they were predicting. That the guy at the centre of these predictions got it wrong in 1994. Still so it is reported many folk gave up work and went onto to prepare for the end!!

Yet another Christian "prophet" has predicted wrong on the end of the world/universe. Seemingly happy at the death of billions/trillions/zillions throughout the 'cosmos' by the hand of God.

One would suggest to such Christian sects, hell bent on everyone but a 'chosen few' dying... and making a big profit on sales on how to avoid hell.


... to have a beer and relax... and to start living.

Übergeek 바둑이: .. Not all America's wars. I doubt those ratio's were obtained in the first half of the 20th .... hypothetically a war against the USSR would have been a lose.. lose.

"Nobody wants to compromise or make concessions."

Seen to I think more.

Tuesday: Especially if it has a good rope hanging from a tree... to swing in for a good bombing

Tuesday: Just say you are a friend of Adam Young. Thanks to a foul up the anti christ went to a typical English family rather than a prominent American diplomat.

He doesn't like the idea of the world ending.

The Col: Or someone who has a bad case of too many beans.

Tuesday: Well my key that I got to the revolving door better still work... Or a certain personification of our bad natures is gonna be sorry. I have Loki to watch my back

In the long term regarding Israel and Palestine.. some stability needs to be found/made so that both sides of the conflict feel safe. The alternative is a long term (as it has been) conflict over the right to have a place you can call home.

With all the deaths, prosecution from both sides I would have thought that if the people were asked honestly (not the politicians) they would rather have peace than another 50 years of distrust, fear and wastage of resources.

The USA could do with saving the billions they donate to Israel each year in military aid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMchDxxFmRQ

Is it true that 40% of American Christians want the end of the world just to be right? Would you want those who believe as such to have their finger on the big red button!!

Bernice: told I made a grammatical error. If that is all.. I've listened and I will aim to remember just for you and Pedro regarding whose and who's .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5hKQyFBzgI&

48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against disbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

The Arabic word “ashidda” does not mean ruthless, but strong and firm. Ruthless is an unacceptable translation. Translations of ashidda:

Pickthall: hard; Yusuf Ali: strong; Daryabadi: stern; Khan-Hilali: severe; F. Malik: strong; Shakir: firm of heart; Arberry: hard; Irving: strict

Also, the disbelievers being referred to in these verses are the those who persecuted and attacked the Muslims. Shaykh Fawzee Al-Atharee said the following:
And similarly the disbeliever, if he has good character with us and good manners with us and good way and treatment with us, then we have good manners with him, good behaviour with him, good way with him and good treatment of him. And if his manners are bad and his behaviour is bad [i.e. abusive and cruel], then we treat him with accordance to how he is treating us. This is something permissible in the legislation. But the Prophet s.a.w.s. has indicated very clearly in all the narrations that have been brought and throughout his life, that there must be a matter of balance and to be just. And that is in dealing with the people of disbelief and also in dealing with those who have faith.

The Muslims were commanded to stand up for their religion and defend themselves against the persecution of the disbelievers. Again, if we examine the historical context, we also find that this is referring to those who attacked the Muslims continuously.


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If a country attacked the USA (like when Japan did) what would be the response of the Christian Americans?

Pedro Martínez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFw91fvNJM

Pedro Martínez: Awww Pedro, that that is all you find wrong with my post I take as a complement