Übergeek 바둑이: Over here if someone acted like that on a show... sacked. It does not matter about the apology it just is a step to far in terms of bad taste.

But.. I guess the hate of others towards Obama justifies his kid being used in a bad joke, in the minds of those who hate Obama that is.

Artful Dodger: No... you brushed it aside. seems you've turned liberal. At least that is what you keep accusing those who do not support you in your opinion. Just as you seem to brush aside that the modern terrorists from Islamic faiths are a creation of America and other western countries, who abused a religion and created terrorists to kill Soviet troops. Blame Raygun and the CIA if anyone.

.......Pilate appears in all four Canonical gospels in association with the responsibility for the death of Jesus. In Matthew, Pilate washes his hands to show that he was not responsible for the execution of Jesus and reluctantly sends him to his death.[4] Mark, depicting Jesus as innocent of plotting against the Roman Empire, portrays Pilate as extremely reluctant to execute Jesus, blaming the Jewish priestly hierarchy for his death and washing his hands not of Jesus (as in Matthew) but of the Sadducees and of any association with their actions........

Good Muslim, Bad Muslim: America, the Cold War, and the Roots of Terror

"Labeling us, and our acts, as terrorism is also a description of you
and your acts," bin Laden said recently. "Our acts are a reaction to
your acts." In this meandering rumination on modern-day terrorism,
Mamdani takes a controversial step by agreeing with bin Laden, at least
on this point; he argues that groups like al-Qaeda are generally
motivated by legitimate political grievances with U.S. foreign policy.
"In a nutshell," Mamdani writes, "the U.S. government decided to harness
and even to cultivate terrorists" during the latter half of the Cold
War as it sought to roll back the Soviet Union’s global influence. Now,
with that legacy coming back to haunt its creators, Mamdani concludes
that "no Chinese wall divides ‘our’ terrorism from ‘their’ terrorism.
Each tends to feed the other."

Politicizing notions of Islam by differentiating between secular,
Westernized ("good") Muslims and fanatical, medieval ("bad") Muslims,
Mamdani argues, misrepresents the often apolitical character of Islam.
It also dangerously ignores cold war-era American complicity in the
turbulence of the Muslim world through the waging of proxy wars,
particularly the one in Afghanistan in which, says Mamdani, the CIA
created Osama bin Laden.

"Forget the huffingtonpost link for now, we'll come back to that.

Yes, we should forget it because that is the one where Glenn Beck says that Obama hates black people, but then, he was just ridiculing Obama's daughter. I guess it doesn't count in your eyes."

I just thought.. is this change of subject just leaving this question unanswered??

4 So Moses said, “This is what the LORD says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again. 7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any person or animal.’ Then you will know that the LORD makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.

Our God commits genocide!!??!!

OT or NT .. it's still the same God.

Artful Dodger: Still OUR GOD WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE IT!!

Artful Dodger: Yes... who trained these "terrorists" to be such good fighters. We did. We trained them to kill others. Did we wash our hands afterwards?

"The best jules could do was go back in time - way back."

Uganda is a current problem in which many African churches are extreme. We had cases in the UK of Christian abusing children in the name of God, calling them "witches".

A sin is a sin. Making one's enemies sins bigger does not in the eyes of God (as far as I remember from scripture) make yours any less.

Tuesday: ... and sell books/dvd's justifying they are right via the likes of "True Christians"(tm)...

Artful Dodger: Capitalism.. Conservatism as in the war against Communism.

And btw... "What other religion actually celebrated the 9/11 attacks," ... some Christians celebrated the event and still celebrate the deaths of all the American soldiers who die on foreign soil.

"What other religion has verses in its holy book that remind men of their divine permission to beat their wives and rape their slaves?"

...... The Bible!?! .. in the sense of how some have taken to interperate it's divine message of the man being the head of the household over the ages..... Christians. How long ago is it Women had to fight for the right to vote?

Mousetrap: I wonder how big the parts shop is for that show??

Mousetrap: It'd beat Real Housewifes!!

Mousetrap: They over did the intensity and attitude a bit in that prog. Many of the religious groups are against the attitude and anti gay laws. Yet the hard Conservative element of Christian church's ... .. it seems from further research appears to be a regional thing. Most countries in the region come down hard on gays!!

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The Usurper: I'm not a big fan of Rush. But do like Hannity but don't watch him much. O'Reilly is my hero. My favorite is Glenn Beck. He used to work for CNN.

Artful Dodger: I'm sure you've said he's your hero!! ..... after swapping from Bill O'Reilly who was your hero.

Artful Dodger: Yes. Many a time I have.. But you never understand...

Must be an ideological black hole or something.

Artful Dodger: Perhaps you can explain the context and how you see it rather than just say ..."you still have it wrong"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064rdvK16TQ

Artful Dodger: Really.. I have to shut up because you say so!!

Übergeek 바둑이: They did DNA tests on several 'white folk' in the UK as part of an experiment regarding genetic heritage. The people who were tested had all expressed concerns over certain minorities and their influence in the UK.

... Their genetic heritage showed that all of them had genes that proved their family tree including such minorities and as a matter of course all 'white folk' in the UK had some DNA that could be traced back to non white folk genetic heritage.

Artful Dodger: I think[Übergeek 바둑이 has given fine examples of how Beck Manipulates things.

I can find more if you want.. and you know I'll find them.. if you are honest on the subject that is...

400 advertisers did not like "I think Obama is a racist... deep-seated hatred for white people" and hence boycotted his show.

Artful Dodger: I saw reasons why yesterday. Flicking through the news channels here I caught a glimpse of Glenn and his way of manipulating data. Same as a Conservative MP on Question Time last night. To quote a figure whilst not giving an accurate representation of what it signifies is a con. On Question Time the MP was called on his loose use of a meaningless yet leading statistics.

As to Glenn in the future, sure those who like his style will keep lining his pocket for a sound bite that makes them feel righteous over their view on America. Feeding conspiracy theories whilst those lining his pocket through 'sponsorship' line their pockets through old out of date cold war rhetorical mumblings.

As for Obama hating white folk... why? I've seen more in the way of hate towards him from white folk, I can understanding having annoyance at such can't you?

No doubt if Beck can't sell his venom through a political 'talk' show he'll turn to religion and slime his way into some church who's willing to use his manipulation as a means to get more donations.

Besides, even during his early 2010 heyday, Fox was unable to generate advertising revenues to match Mr. Beck’s ratings, since no reputable company would sign on to sponsor the guy who accused Mr. Obama of harbouring a “deep-seated hatred for white people.”

Mr. Beck’s ratings plummeted 31 per cent in the first three months of 2011, compared with the same period last year. His audience among viewers in the key 25-to-54-year-old cohort plunged 38 per cent to fewer than 500,000.

Mr. Beck has still been drawing almost two million viewers during his 5 p.m. time slot, which is more than the number who tune in to the four competing cable news channels combined. But Beck diehards tend to be older, while serious political news junkies are returning again to CNN.

For months, reports have been surfacing about a souring of the relationship between Mr. Beck and Fox president Roger Ailes. Notwithstanding its “Fair & Balanced” tagline, the network owned by Australian magnate Rupert Murdoch is an unapologetic champion of the right. But Mr. Beck’s bombastic, and regularly offensive, commentary had become a drag on the Fox brand.

Mousetrap: I saw.. It seems such Christians as that site exemplifies have been visiting Uganda. Thanks to the worry of the high levels of HIV/AIDS infection and the moral guidance of USA evangelicals, the already harsh laws on homosexuality (imprisonment as being gay is illegal) were to be strengthened by a Ugandan MP private bill. He put a bill up to make being gay a punishable by death crime.

... I saw a strange story on the BBC news wewbsite regarding an attack on a painting by a Christian woman. The painting by Paul Gauguin called "Two Tahitian Women" depicts two women's bare breasts.

I thought seeing as the news article did not go into two much detail I'd check out the web for more detail and found this.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=725611

.. at the bottom ...

"The information presented here is Biblically accurate. Opinions concerning the technical difficulties, fitness requirements, safety, and ratings of self-crucifixion, flagellation, stoning, destroying enemies of GOD utterly, without mercy, and other activities inherent in Christianity are subjective and may differ from yours or others' opinions; therefore be warned that you must exercise your own judgment as to the difficulty and your ability to safely protect yourself from the inherent risks and dangers. Do not use the information provided on this site unless you are a True Christian ™ who understands and accepts the risks of participating in these activities. Landover Baptist Church makes reasonable efforts to include accurate and up to date information on this website, errors or omissions sometimes occur, therefore the information contained on here is provided "as is" and without warranties of any kind either expressed or implied. Viewing, reading, or any other use of the information contained within this web site is purely the voluntary will of the viewer or user. You, 'the viewer' or 'user' shall not hold the publisher, owner, authors or other contributors of The Jesus Experience responsible for any incidents related directly or indirectly to the Experience. Landover Baptist Church, et. al., assumes no liability or responsibility for your actions."

Artful Dodger: From long programs here looking at the matter.. it's a gradual process. Any effective change in the mind set of the general population is going to take years if not at least a decade. The effects of decades of manipulation and the support of militant groups does not just dissipate over night.

Try telling that to the likes of the Phelps family.

Czuch: Yes and no.. Historically the God of Jews and Christians as laid down in the Bible is a mass murderer. He has wiped out nearly all life on this planet (according to a literal interpretation of the story .. and according to a literal interpretation of Revelations a great deal of humans are going to die rather violently.

But that is a literal interpretation (black/white) with no allowance for interpretation based on the history of the matter written.


Some elements in all religions go by that literal and try hard to do God's will based on that literacy...... seeing as God kills... as God's children..

Perversion ..

As such even if a fellow member of the faith (eg is ok with gay but does not like abortions) they would be considered a heretic and condemned to a life ever after in "hell"

.. yet forgetting that one part of the original names for hell has gone being it a historical place at the time of writing.

Artful Dodger: Historically Jesus did not (why the Jewish do not recognise him as Messiah) fulfil all what was prophesied he would. In fact according to the Jewish historians another bloke came up as fulfilling the Messiah role better.. at least for the Jews.

.. The intepretation that many Christians hold is it is God's plan (who Jesus is the Son of and must obey the word of God.. him being the Father) to kill and destroy most humans on this planet (no accounting for other planets it must be said) ..

Revelation 21
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

.................. Rather violent that of our God isn't it?

http://www.armyofgod.com/


... Rather violent are they not?

Artful Dodger: Hmmm that many of the passages you'll probably find on your sites promoting hate of Muslims and the Koran will not quote the history of the writings. That at the time of Mohammed and the formation of the Islamic faith they were fighting for their lives yet.. Allah saw it wise to promote something akin to the Geneva Convention over a thousand years before we Christians did.

Mousetrap: Went into a local shop and they were watching the match on the laptop. When they won!!!!

Czuch: So if you crashed into my car due to you being on the phone and not paying attention to the road I wouldn't be after claiming against the insurance??

.... I wouldn't be after your details?

Czuch: .. actually you changed the point to this. I recon a certain Hurricane was more as such a trying circumstance.

9/11 was just a wake call to the matter of the USA leaving loose cannons around.

Czuch: Yes I do know what the word means. It's like with the Orange loyalists from NI... when they did their marches they knew they would cause and get a reaction. They knew innocent lives by their actions would be at risk or lost.

But they didn't care.

Do you understand care?

Czuch: On attention grabbing.. granted. Yet that only logically led to Afghanistan.. he seemed to lose focus after that!!

Artful Dodger: No... you are. If it was so as you say.. why isn't the whole of the Muslim world at a state of war with the rest of us?

It seems on most Muslim minds recently was the outcome of the cricket.

Artful Dodger: Utter rubbish. The Koran forbids suicide on pain of ending up in Hell. It only states that regarding a war or battle their are rules of combat.. and killing innocents is not allowed. I remember going over this with you and some other people years ago.

As mentioned.. The army of God and other violent pro life groups have killed, maimed, kidnapped, arson and used fake anthrax letters and other stuff all in the name of God.

... perversion, just like the Witch hunters of Christian past and a certain passage to do with getting a woman preggo whilst not in wedlock!

Czuch: After the cancelling of the previous burning knowing the reaction..... I'd call him more than an idiot. Yes what the rioters did was wrong and the killing was their doing. But why burn the Koran knowing that it will cause riots? As a 'man of God', I would thought he would have had some sense.


"yet he didnt mention anything about Bush enduring 9/11, why would he intentionally leave that one out?"


9/11 was not a military or economic disaster, or a war. It is not the same.

Artful Dodger: You must live in a strange place for that to be true!!

Oh btw... Ever hear of the Army of God?

One of those wacko pro life groups that think wacking people is justified.

.. ie anyone can distort a religion.

Artful Dodger: Compared to whom.. The pastor?

"some made up book by some false prophet." .. some Christian?

Artful Dodger: I thought you were over Palin?

Artful Dodger: So.. you are saying you have emotions and react to people dissing your idols?? Dan... I thought that was crazy talk!!

Artful Dodger: Yes... many many cases over the last 1400 years odd since Muslims have been on the scene.

Artful Dodger: Did the Republicans announce Palin was running for VP on April 1st?

Czuch: He knew the reaction that the burning of the Koran would produce. Their would be a similar reaction amongst zealot Christians if some Muslims held a trial for the Bible and then judged it guilty and burnt it.... .. yet there have been attacks on some Mosque's here based on some other Muslims being bad men.

Czuch: What has 9/11 got to do with Kuwait? Apart from being an excuse for the Americans to clean away their previous lackey Saddam and get a good oil supply.

“Yes, Lincoln had the Civil War. FDR faced the Great Depression, Nazi Germany, Pearl Harbor. But look at the daunting set of challenges President Obama faces today: wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya; a runaway deficit, unemployment at record levels, a health care reform bill that special interests are trying to destroy — all of that, plus the irrational hatred of the bigots in the Tea Party who want nothing more than to see him fail. All of that has arrived at, at the Oval Office, at the same time. He deserves a Nobel Prize just for showing up each day.”
— Tom Brokaw on NBC’s Today, April 1