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9. March 2010, 19:12:55
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re:
Modified by Pedro Martínez (9. March 2010, 19:14:46)
Artful Dodger: Guizot didn't say that. It's impossible. Being a liberal and a conservative is and was virtually the same thing in France.

9. March 2010, 20:17:39
Bwild 
Subject: Re:
Pedro Martínez: Churchill

9. March 2010, 21:33:33
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Find five differences:

A) If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.

B) Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.

9. March 2010, 21:37:31
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: By the way, thanks for that “research” at Geocities. Your links are awesome. First you post a quote and refer to a Wikipedia site of Guizot which does not even remotely say anything about the quote you post, and then you refer to a non-existing research. But am I surprised?

9. March 2010, 21:43:00
Ferris Bueller 
Subject: Re: The real bigots are on the left.

Artful Dodger:   You state as the conclusion to this post that, "it's the liberal policies in America that are at fault for ALL the racial problems."


I will certainly grant that neither party can wash its hands of a racist past, & that Dirksen was a hero to the civil rights movement. But, here in the South, we had only 1 political party to speak of until after the Civil Rights Act passed.  Democrats were the only party in this region from Reconstruction to that time.  Senator Thurmond switched parties in '64 because of the Civil Rights Act.  Many of the Dems you mentioned would not be considered "liberals" cuz there was only 1 game in town.


LBJ, whose hands were not clean either, knew he would loose the Dem Party in the South by promoting & signing the Civil Rights Act.  Sure enough, Nixon was able to use a "Southern Strategy" & '68 & '72 to win elections & set up a strong Republican base there.  Many of the Conservative Southern Dems switched parties to the GOP aftewards.  The few that stayed, like Hollins, changed some their positions.  Others like George Wallace & Lester Maddox remained Dems but became loose cannons.  Today, now that all the Party switching has taking place, the Dem. Party, in particular the Progressive wing, is very weak in the Southern states.


But, I agree with you that both parties have a checkered past when it comes to race relations, but there are some compexities, particularly in the South.


9. March 2010, 21:59:15
Bernice 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Pedro Martínez: if you put the geocities addy into the "waybackmachine" you might get a result.....it is unreal how you can get back on a lot of things with this website....no guarantees ut might be worth a try

9. March 2010, 22:45:28
Bernice 
Subject: Hey Jules....
I wouldnt like to be sick in this hospital....hahahahahha

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2885315/Docs-thought-baby-was-gout.html

9. March 2010, 22:51:10
Snoopy 
Subject: Re: Hey Jules....
Bernice: wow thats crazy ..lol

9. March 2010, 22:57:27
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Hey Jules....
Snoopy: isnt it tho, especially when they told her she was only 3 months hahaha

9. March 2010, 23:23:09
Ferris Bueller 
Subject: Re: The real bigots are on the left.

Tuesday:   That kind of economics & morality go hand in hand.  Sure slavery was about economics, but it was economy based on racism.


My post was in response to Dan's assumption that all racism resulted from progressivism & the Dems.


10. March 2010, 00:34:53
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Yes, I did hear of the telephone game, but wasn't it you who insisted on people backing their posts with sources and facts? I just wanted you to do the same thing you require from others, which you often do not. How typical. There is a proverb about it in Czech, but I guess you wouldn't understand it even if I translated it for you to one of those languages you speak. How many are they? I must have forgotten…

10. March 2010, 01:43:29
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: I don't know, you tell me. We don't eat crows here.

10. March 2010, 02:03:06
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger:

Please don't try that ever again.

10. March 2010, 02:38:44
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Please don't rape my language. Thank you.

10. March 2010, 09:57:38
Mort 
The actual thing of being liberal and then changing I think in the UK we have it more accurately phrased...

.. It's called getting on the stage to being a grumpy old man.

11. March 2010, 17:29:35
Mort 
Abraham Lincoln:

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew."

11. March 2010, 18:27:41
The Col 
Subject: Re:
Tuesday: You're right, without Abe wearing his hat you can hardly tell them apart

11. March 2010, 18:46:24
The Col 
Subject: Re:
Modified by The Col (11. March 2010, 18:46:58)
Tuesday: I'm a Lincoln nut,I devour whatever I can find on him.I must say history has been kind to him though, he wasn't the saint he is depicted to be,

11. March 2010, 19:02:53
tyyy 
Subject: Re:
Tuesday: I stopped at "times of crisis" come on really?the civil war vs today?

11. March 2010, 19:05:19
tyyy 
by the way.. some did the same with JFK and Lincoln

11. March 2010, 19:13:33
The Col 
Subject: Re:
GTCharlie: The JFK/Lincoln parallels are legendary

11. March 2010, 20:02:15
The Col 
Subject: Re:
Tuesday: Well, for starters, the emancipation wasn't driven by a personal desire for equality and freedom for blacks.it was politically motivated.

11. March 2010, 22:44:31
baddessi 
Subject: ReThe similarities between Obama and Lincoln are eerie
Hi Tuesday...cool to see similarities. One major difference tho:

Lincoln- Republican.
Obama- Democrat.

Just for what it's worth....

11. March 2010, 23:03:53
Pedro Martínez 
Subject: Re: ReThe similarities between Obama and Lincoln are eerie
baddessi: But they're both tall.

12. March 2010, 00:09:07
The Col 
Subject: Re: ReThe similarities between Obama and Lincoln are eerie
Tuesday: You know what unifies parties in all govts?

12. March 2010, 00:21:16
Bwild 
lobbiest

12. March 2010, 00:41:34
The Col 
Subject: Re: ReThe similarities between Obama and Lincoln are eerie
Tuesday: Payday
they sure come together when their pay or benefits are in question.It's the same pretty much anywhere, right down to city hall

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